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Big Galaxy S24 leak reveals Samsung's strategy against Google's Pixel phone

Quoting the tl;dr in the linked article:

  • Samsung could be stepping up its game by offering seven years of major Android updates for the Galaxy S24 series, and the generous update policy might extend to other Galaxy flagships.
  • The Galaxy S24 series might also introduce charges for AI features like Live Translate and Pixel-like photo editing tools after 2025.
  • There’s speculation that users may need to sign in to their Samsung accounts for certain AI functionalities.
brax ,

Will they be bringing SD support back? I don’t get how people can use phones without SD support…

Kbobabob ,

Which is funny because I don’t get why people want it. Unless you’re shooting a whole bunch of 4K video, i have no idea why it’s needed.

ExfilBravo ,

Here are a few examples of why someone would want it:

Not everyone lives in areas with great wireless connections.

Some are also limited to how much data they can use. So most store their music/movies/pictures on the local SD drive because they don’t use cloud storage.

Jean_Lurk_Picard ,
@Jean_Lurk_Picard@lemmy.world avatar

I have a large music collection and store them on various SD cards in addition to my usually hard drives. When I want to listen to music I pop it in my Sony phone and listen to them. I refuse to use music streaming apps. I’ve tried SoundCloud, Spotify, and Google Music and each one didn’t have niche songs I enjoy. I Also there are various songs across various streaming services that I listen to but none all on the same service. I would rather own the files myself and put together my own comprehensive playlists. So I just pop it into my phone, enjoy the music I like, at no cost to me and I don’t have to worry about my Internet service in various places that I work out of that are deep in a building and don’t get any reception. I have lots of movie files and pornography that take up terrabytes. I need these on a Micro SD card because my phone’s internal storage isn’t large enough. I have another SD card with all my gba roms and saves that I can pop into my phone and play GBA games if I’m waiting around at the DMV, public spaces. Theen when I’m home I can pop that same SD card out with all my saves and roms and put it in my ez flash and play on my actual modded Game Boy Advance or into my modded a GameCube and play them without having to copy and paste save files, etc.

cascadingsymmetry ,

As a photographer i love it

Pulptastic ,

Tizen or whatever they call it now is garbage. That is why I have a pixel.

jamms ,

Do you mean the custom chips they make, exynos? Tizen is their operating system for televisions.

Pulptastic ,

Their OS for phones. It was also called Tizen at one point I think.

chairman ,

You spelt TV wrong.

Zangoose ,

Their watches also used to be based on Tizen before WearOS

brax ,

Literally never. At best they had a UI called TouchWiz which has long since been replaced by OneUI.

YeeterPan , (edited )

Fuckin hate my Pixel.

Edit: didn’t realize you guys were up Google’s ass this much.

Rev3rze ,

As someone that is interested in getting a pixel to use GrapheneOS I’m interested to hear what you hate about it. I’m still a little bit on the fence about it.

YeeterPan ,

If you’ll be slapping a different OS on, I’m sure it’ll be fine. The hardware leaves a bit to be desired at the MSRP price point, but they depreciate pretty hard- a used one might be a win. I just know that it’s a touch buggy for me, especially with StOcK aNdRoId and all.

chairman ,

You had a Samsung which runs Tizen? No wonder it sucks.

Osiris , (edited )

Samsung could easily win me over if their bootloader was unlock able.
Edit: Apparently it’s just US variants that can’t be unlocked

eatham ,
@eatham@aussie.zone avatar

They aren’t? My phone has an option to unlock it, tho I haven’t used it.

jose1324 ,

It is tho?

Gallardo994 ,

Well, bootloader unlock toggle in developer options and fastboot eom unlock are available, am I missing something?

Byter ,

Not in the US.

Gallardo994 ,

Even the ones that are not carrier-locked?

keyez ,

It’s broken right now so I cannot check again to verify, but I had an S20 FE direct from Samsung in the US and none of those options were available in developer options.

Byter ,

Yeah, my S22 Ultra was carrier unlocked but the bootloader was not unlockable.

Gallardo994 ,

Strange, never seen such threads on xda. Could you provide screenshots of developer options around “Demo mode” setting?

Byter ,

Look for SM-S908U1 specifically. There are a few threads (like this one), but I think most US XDA users were just implicitly aware of how Samsung operated in the US. This was my first device from them and I was caught unawares.

I’m back on Pixel now.

jzentgg ,

@Gallardo994 @Osiris you can’t if you have Samsung with Snapdragon

Gallardo994 ,

I have Snapdragon variant of S23U (UAE version) and the bootloader is unlockable, are you sure it’s snapdragon specific and not just US-specific, or carrier-specific?

trippingonthewire ,

This

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

wdym, you just go to dev options and allow it, then reboot and do fastboot unlock.
press power button a couple of times (THIS WILL TRIP KNOX E-FUSE PERMANENTLY WITHOUT ANY WAY TO RECOVER), wait for data to be erased and boom it’s unlocked

Pika ,
@Pika@sh.itjust.works avatar

unless that comes with either a 600-700$ decrease in price or the readdition of a microSD card slot I’m not interested.

Chewy7324 ,

After phone storage got beyond 32GB, I thought I won’t need a microSD slot anymore. I was wrong and my 128GB are full again. Downloading shows and music in high quality needs quite a bit of storage, not to mention videos. As if to make matters worse, the OS takes up more storage than my first two phones had at all.

Merlin404 ,

Do you need all that on the phone?

NegativeInf ,

Yea, who needs any of that on their phone?

Merlin404 ,

Ive used almost 200gb on mine, but its mostly porn so 🤷, but i have a server to offload on if i want to

NegativeInf ,

I’d say that makes you an outlier.

Merlin404 ,

I know haha

Chewy7324 ,

I can delete most of the 20 GB of video, as it’s also uploaded to my photo gallery (Immich). Maybe another 5GB of apps that aren’t necessary, which often need a few hundred MB (Paypal 0,5GB).

Anyway, an SD card would solve those issues. Hopefully 256GB will finally be enough storage.

TwanHE ,

Nah you’ll still run out. Just because you have more storage you start downloading more shows/filmsin higher quality.

Pika ,
@Pika@sh.itjust.works avatar

for myself I have about 250 gigs of photo/video from my camera since I use it a lot. then about 50 gigs of apps, the lack of an SD card slot is my exclusive reason that I never upgraded from my s20 to newer models. It’s also why I’ve decided to ditch Samsung when my phone finally dies. I just have yet to find a decent alternative that works in my area

Merlin404 ,

Dont take me wrong, i will never defend a manufacturer taking away features for profitens while increasing price… I feel most manufacturer fucks there customer because most people bend over and accept, and the more people do, the more they try to get away with. F hate the current tech climate

brax ,

I never understood why anybody wouldn’t need SD access… There’s no way to have a reliable backup location in the event you can’t reach the internet for whatever reason.

gunpachi ,

I hope someone releases a build of LineageOS or any AOSP based custom ROM for the s23 series.

Mkengine ,

This takes time, there is only just now a lineage OS release for my S20 FE.

M500 ,

As an iPhone feature, we get these AI features for free and the phones cost the same.

Although im not sure about the photo editing.

The biggest reason I do t use Android is the lack of long term security and software updates.

The second reason is bloatware.

brayd ,
@brayd@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Take something like GrapheneOS if security is important for you:

  1. No bloatware
  2. 7 years of updates on the new pixel phones with it
  3. Much more secure than an iPhone
  4. An iPhone isn’t really privacy respecting or similar even though Apple always claims it to be
  5. An iPhone locks you in. Heck you can’t even let Nextcloud or Immich sync files in the background on iOS just because Apple says “no background sync only works good with our own services so you give us your money and use iCloud Photos and Drive”.
M500 ,

I need to use commercial chat apps for work on my phone. I’m concerned they will not work on GrapheneOS.

When it comes to my work, privacy has to come second, so I’m just sticking with the main operating systems.

brayd ,
@brayd@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Which ones? Haven’t experienced any app that doesn’t work with GrapheneOS. Even my banking apps work. Only thing that doesn’t work is Google Pay.

M500 ,

I guess the bigger point is that even if my apps work now, they are so important to my business that if they stopped working then I immediately would not be able to do my work until I got a new phone.

I rely on specific chat apps so heavily to communicate with clients.

eatham ,
@eatham@aussie.zone avatar

Atleast in Australia , the iphones cost double.

bin_bash ,
@bin_bash@lemmy.world avatar

lol this is hilarious 😂 it does not matter how long they say you get updates so good as Samsung is in 7 years you are getting 3/4 updates … 😂 😂 😂 but most people eat with the eyes 👀 wow 7 years? I go to buy a Samsung 😂😂😂 do that and come back in 7 years to tell me about your experience good luck

eatham ,
@eatham@aussie.zone avatar

You get 1 major android update a year, with some security updates in between with Samsung.

M500 ,

What I really care about are phones receiving security updates.

HidingCat ,

To talk about the article instead of ranting on about niche wants:

  • 7 years of updates would be really good. Given how mature the hardware is nowadays, I can see a phone doing 7 years, save for the battery. Will Samsung be able to keep batteries in production?
  • I'm less sold on the AI things, I guess that's the buzzword now. AI AI AI everywhere. Also the two features mentioned are already in Google products, and I'd rather use those if I have to, unless Samsung pulls out a surprise and show that they are better at software development than Google is.
Mango ,

Is it repairability? Do I get root access to my own personal property? Maybe a headphone jack? How about IR blaster so my missing Roku remote doesn’t matter? Can we go so far as a replaceable battery?

Ok I got you. You don’t need to add anything you previously took away. Just give me a public apology for trying to make the phone repair industry die as collateral damage in your vendetta against Apple’s other screen supplier.

Gallardo994 ,

Miss me with that AI bullshit, just make the screen completely flat on S24U and I’ll be more than happy.

can ,

Please. Who is interested in the curve anymore? I know they just do it for the people in the store.

Dangy ,
@Dangy@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I like the edge curve on my S9+ and Note 20U. Makes the bezels feel smaller and makes for a smoother swipe finger-feel.

But if I could trade that for removable battery/storage/repairability I would.

can ,

I guess I always use a case so for me it just feels like anothervpkace for dust to settle.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

My only complaint about curved screens is that it makes it impossible to properly protect the screen, and offers ??? in exchange.

Dangy ,
@Dangy@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’ve had screen protectors on all my edge-curved screens 🤷‍♂️

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

I said “properly”.

Proper screen protection doesn’t mean a 1mm thick reflective grease-magnet on top of the display. It means a case that provides several millimeters of much softer materials.

Kit ,

Wish granted, it is completely flat

GiddyGap ,

So, when is the camera tech finally going to be good enough to make the camera flush with the phone body?

Chriswild ,

It is now. Just make the phone thicker instead of having a bump.

Mango ,

Right? Add battery. Nobody cares to have their phone be a fashion model. We want it to last through the day.

Chriswild ,

I was talking about this earlier but they could use lithium iron phosphate batteries where normally you need the battery life it would now let the battery go nearly 10 years before losing more than 85% of the chance capacity

Guest_User ,

Any case should already make the cameras flush

madcaesar ,

I’ll be leaving the Samsung ecosystem after 10 years. They simply don’t offer a phone for me anymore. I WANT an SD card, and waterproofing. And the A line camera is too shite.

I’ll probably get some Chinese phone next and give them a shot. Samsung can get fucked with the 1000$ phones that continuously remove features.

Maximilious ,
@Maximilious@kbin.social avatar

Why not try a Pixel then? I'm on the S22 Ultra and already thinking of giving pixel a go on my next upgrade. They touted 4 years of support for this model but if they increase to 7 then I'll just need to wait and see what's out there at that time.

machinin ,

They want an SD card

jzentgg ,

@Maximilious @AlmightySnoo @madcaesar pixel all the way!

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Stop tagging people. It’s unnecessary and annoying.

jzentgg ,

@helenslunch it automatically tags people. My bad.

kahjtheundedicated ,

I think Sony and Asus still have phones with that stuff and a headphone jack

HidingCat ,

Which Chinese phone does that? They were the first to copy Apple when they removed all that. The only ones that still have card slots and headphone jacks are all the low-end phones, and heck, even those are going away. Xiaomi has been removing the card slots on the higher-end Redmi Notes.

SendMePhotos ,

Things I want in a phone:

  • Decent camera
  • Aux Port - because I want the option
  • at least one mappable button
  • Expandable SD card slot
  • Debloated OS
  • good speaker phone
  • water resistant and drop resistant

My favorite phone in the last 10 years was the Samsung S8 Active, before that, the HTC One (front facing speakers). Before that, probably the Samsung FlipShot and LG Chocolate.

I miss innovation in phone designs. They’re all the same phone now.

Anyone have any recommendations for the US? I was thinking a fairphone but I think that’s UK only.

machinin ,

After a couple of Redmi Note phones, I’m currently looking at Motorola. I need to see how ROM development is on their phones.

gunpachi ,

Motorola has been making a lot of midrange devices lately with Mediatek chipsets and I owned one for 2 years. My particular device (edge 20 fuaion) sold pretty well but there was no ROM development at all.

So pick one with a Qualcomm chip and you will probably have a good time. I Think the recent Moto Edge 40 pro got some Custom rom development lately.

Matt ,

Sony covers most of those, but they are not cheap.

lemmyvore ,

You can get last year’s model or the year before that cheaper. It’s not like there are huge differences year over year anyway.

Matt ,

But Sony only provides 2 to 3 years of software and security updates, so getting an older model might not be the best idea either.

lemmyvore ,

You can switch to a community ROM like Lineage when they stop. They’re A/B devices that support GSI images, you can install any GSI UI over the Sony firmware. In practice some of them support more features than others but they do work.

Also, I wouldn’t get my hopes up about all these promises about 7 years of updates. Google is notorious for going back on their word and Samsung only parrots them to look good

I honestly don’t see either of them delivering. Even if they wanted to, neither of them has the logistics for long term support of their devices and I doubt they’ve developed them overnight.

kahjtheundedicated ,

Asus zenfone?

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar
  • Aux Port - because I want the option
  • at least one mappable button
  • Expandable SD card slot
  • Debloated OS

These are user-centric features that stifle revenue for the corporations that make these things, and unfortunately consumers have told corporations that they don’t care enough about them.

SpiceDealer ,
@SpiceDealer@lemmy.world avatar

Full disclosure: I didn’t read the article and only read the bulletin points. However, that last point really convinced me leave Scamsung. When I got my current S21 Ultra, I was bummed to find out that I couldn’t root it. I’m about to buy a Pixel 7 Pro and never look back.

HurlingDurling ,
@HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

I can root my s23 ultra (from what I’ve read at least), however I choose not to because it would permanently break Knox and there would be no way of undoing that outside of replacing the logic board.

With that said, my next phone will probably be a Fairphone.

SpiceDealer , (edited )
@SpiceDealer@lemmy.world avatar

Are you from the US or the EU/elsewhere? I ask because the reason My S21 can’t be rooted is because the US/Hong Kong Models use Snapdragon CPUs. I don’t know if the same applies to the successors.

HurlingDurling ,
@HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

I am in US. I went back and found the article I had seen before -> xda-developers.com/how-to-unlock-bootloader-root-…I also checked your version and it seems that only the Exinos and Hong Kong Snapdragon versions can be rooted -> xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-s21-series-root…

sabreW4K3 ,
@sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf avatar

Charging extra for features of a £1000+ phone is hilarious. They really try and act like we’re getting them for free.

50MYT ,

They want to be apple.

But they are not.

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