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NateNate60 ,

What is the charge? For operating a messaging platform? A succulent private messaging platform?

dyathinkhesaurus ,

I understand this reference

maniacalmanicmania ,
@maniacalmanicmania@aussie.zone avatar

Most unexpected reference I’ve ever seen.

limerod , (edited )

As someone who did not. What is it referencing here?

Edit: Thanks for the replies. The video was funny, lol.

whyNotSquirrel ,
@whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works avatar

lemm.ee/comment/14303070

dyathinkhesaurus ,

See @TWeaK Woosh link in the comments below

fonji ,

The reference on wikipedia, for my fellow people out of the loop

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

Allowing criminal activity to go unmoderated on the platform. Including but not limited to fraud, drug trafficking, cyberbullying, organized crime and promotion of terrorism.

TWeaK ,

Woosh

Sadly, the guy in that video passed away recently.

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Oh damn. He did? I just watched a video about him in modern times.

istanbullu ,

promotion of terrorism.

You know the accusations are bogus when you see this.

claudiop ,

Just because it is most of the time bullshit, it doesn’t mean that is not a thing ever. The “think of the children” doesn’t imply that legit application of child-protection laws are not a thing.

Telegram is for example known for Russian military bloggers, which are, in fact, promoting terrorism.

skullgiver ,
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

During the whole ISIL thing, Telegram was a prominent way to radicalise and recruit new terrorists, at least here in Europe. Islamist extremists still often use Telegram these days.

dumbass ,
@dumbass@leminal.space avatar

ahhh, I see you know your digital crimes well!

Moonrise2473 ,

But by default the comms aren’t end-to-end encrypted. Isn’t desiderable that criminals use telegram rather than signal?

NateNate60 ,

Not being end-to-end encrypted is meaningless to law enforcement if Telegram refuses to turn over the chat contents (which they do). Law enforcement can’t just eavesdrop on the conversation without Telegram’s cooperation. The chat contents are still secured by TLS from the user’s device to the Telegram servers.

Smart professional criminals rarely use Telegram for this stuff anyway. There’s WhatsApp and plenty of other popular platforms of end-to-end encrypted

JackGreenEarth ,

Smart criminal use Briar or Signal, not WhatsApp, lol, which totally has a backdoor for the government.

amw3i7dwgoblinlabs ,
@amw3i7dwgoblinlabs@lemmy.world avatar

‘Smart criminals use WhatsApp’ Did u forget the /s flag?

Moonrise2473 ,

It’s perfect for criminal use! Unbreakable encryption between two parties! 100% safe, believe me.

IMHO not a coincidence that the app constantly prompts to save unencrypted backups to Google drive for “safety”

kungen ,

if Telegram refuses to turn over the chat contents (which they do)

Source?

Law enforcement can’t just eavesdrop on the conversation without Telegram’s cooperation

Why do you think Roskomnadzor gave up their blockage plans in 2018? And then made their own official government channels? “It’s technically difficult for us” has never stopped Roskomnadzor before.

NateNate60 ,

The source is this article.

It’s not just “technically difficult” to eavesdrop. Properly implemented, it’s computationally impossible to eavesdrop on a connection secured with TLS.

istanbullu ,

Signal is looking more and more like a honeypot

lemmytellyousomething ,

Ah… And what is that accusation backed with?

istanbullu ,

The fact that Signal has not run into legal trouble when Telegram has.

Also Signal has some really shady practices, such as rejecting and killing all third party clients.

lemmytellyousomething ,

The algorithm for the end to end encryption is open source as far as I know. Should be easy for security researchers to prove that something is manipulated…

JustAnotherKay ,

The algorithm for the end to end encryption is open source as far as I know. Should be easy for state actors to read through it and break it

Ftfy

XioR112 ,
@XioR112@lemmy.ml avatar

Signal have been blocked in several countries including Russia and Telegram has more users there and it isn’t blocked.

poo ,
@poo@lemmy.world avatar

On one hand, that’s awful and Telegram should continue to exist totally unmoderated.

Oh the other, anybody rich enough to arrive in a private jet belongs in jail for being a total psychopath.

kokesh ,
@kokesh@lemmy.world avatar

Seriously? Arresting messaging app CEO for content of people’s chats? I guess pigs are pissed, that they can’t crack the encryption.

XioR112 ,
@XioR112@lemmy.ml avatar

Encryption on Telegram only works in 1 on 1 chats and is turned off by default so no one use it.

istanbullu ,

This is nonsense. All internet communication is encrpyted these days.

lemmytellyousomething ,
  1. When talking abou encryption for chat apps, it’s uaually about E2E…
  2. We are usually talking about open groups on Telegram. I can join them. You can join them. Police can join them. Everyone can read everything afterwards.

Your connection to the Lemmy server you are using is also encrypted. But I can read your response anyway… So, no E2E…

BearOfaTime ,

Hahahaha, omg no it isn’t, by a long shot.

lemmytellyousomething ,

You don’t need to crack down encryption for most of the platform. There are people in open groups who sometimes post illegal stuff.

If someone posts that they want to see person XY dead, it should not make a difference whether it’s on Reddit, Lemmy or in an open Telegram group…

The least we can expect is some kind of moderation like on Reddit or here.

MudMan ,

See, this is a tough one. Privacy concerns are legitimate, but also, when people keep reminding that Meta was a key player in acts of terror and genocide what is often not said is that a lot of it happened over Whatsapp groups and direct messages, as in India and Burkina Faso. Direct messaging apps are also social media.

I don't have a solution for this. It's a mess of an issue and honestly, I don't know that I trust anybody with a strong, aggressive position one way or the other.

kirk781 ,
@kirk781@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I think 30+ people died directly in India due to fake message rumors on WhatsApp last year. The rumours were basically of child kidnapping rings doing the rounds and if someone new wandered in into a secluded community, they would be suspected and in rare cases, killed. Since India saw an exceptional implosion in smartphone usage in recent years and WhatsApp is the most popular messaging platform there, it’s a travesty that it happened.

TWeaK ,

He was travelling from Azerbaijan, where he had been meeting with Putin. There is a theory that he knew he would be arrested and chose to go there to avoid retaliation and falling out of a window.

whyNotSquirrel ,
@whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works avatar

Putin leaving his bunker?

possiblylinux127 ,

That would be a wild story.

“Putin killed by Telegram CEO, Russia in chaos”

rimu ,
@rimu@piefed.social avatar

During my time as an amateur disinfo researcher I found that ALL the fascist groups are on Telegram. Also all the antivaxers, qanon nuts, maga, conspiracy theorists the lot. One big fash melting pot.

Telegram needs to be shut down, years ago.

Olap ,

Keep them bottled up at least

claudiop ,

So, instead of fixing the cesspool we just designate a place for them? Why not just going after the ones committing crimes and state that big public groups must have moderation for basic shit? (Like no death threats and that kind of “moderation”, not a "I don’t like your opinions)

istanbullu ,

Telegram needs to be shut down, years ago.

This is textbook fascism.

Sharkwellington ,

Also, furries. They like using the stickers.

American_Jesus ,

And you think that’s only on Telegram, there’s also groups on WhatsApp, Facebook, Instagram… are they going to arrest Mark Zuckerberg?

If Telegram is shutdown today, those groups will move to other platforms, it could be also Lemmy.

Is not about ilegal activities, but privacy, you can have a private (E2EE) or one where governments watch all private messages.

istanbullu ,

you know Telegram is secure when governments are trying to arrest the founder.

The French kidnapping of Pavel Durov is a huge violation of human rights.

mannycalavera ,
@mannycalavera@feddit.uk avatar

Write to your local MEP?

istanbullu ,

there is probably french word for that

claudiop ,

Alternatively: It is not (and generally not even encrypted) and he just happened to be in contempt.

Plenty of military-oriented and shady-business going in in there.

There’s still the possibility that the authorities wanted to go after specific someones with a proper warrant and Durov blocked it. No country on earth goes for that.

We’ll get to know the charges soon enough.

possiblylinux127 ,

That doesn’t make it secure. (It isn’t)

jalapeno_popper561 ,

This feels like a slippery slope.

possiblylinux127 ,

This is more of a 80° wall.

A very sad day. Rip the French

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