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chemicalwonka ,
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No iPhone user actually owns their device. Apple is so controlling that it dictates what the user experience should be. If Apple wants to turn every iPhone on the planet into a brick through an update, it simply has the technical power to do so.

Rexios ,

So could most if not all android OEMs what’s your point? I’m pretty sure even a Google Pixel could be bricked remotely if your bootloader isn’t already unlocked.

chemicalwonka ,
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Google Pixel is a ADP phone, you can unlock bootloader install other OS and lock bootloader again to maintain Android security model and completely vanish Google’s power over your device the same isn’t true about iPhones.

Rexios ,

It’s not true for 99% of android phones either

chemicalwonka ,
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yes, you’re right but at least there is an android device that you can have a minimum control

skuzz ,

They don’t even need to push an update, they just need to send a kill command from their activation servers.

Marthirial ,

Shhhhhh we don’t want the iPhone crowd coming to ruin Android by having to enshitify it so they feel right at home.

kokesh ,
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No shit

quarrk ,
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Every new Android version adds features that have been on iOS forever. Both OSes have different priorities.

Android will often add new features but they are poorly integrated or thought out. iOS tends to add features with a much higher level of refinement the first time around.

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    joelfromaus ,
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    Incorrect

    limerod ,

    Yeah, the tinted icons are very refined as can be seen in this post: androiddev.social/…/112594519877882594

    quarrk ,
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    It’s in beta 1. Some apps look kinda bad if you’re trying to pick a horrid color. Hopefully they do something to improve contrast before release.

    psud ,

    I use an app to cycle through a dozen different backgrounds. Some of them have bold colours. Google handles it fine. I feel like Apple would tell me to manually set the right colour four times a day

    doona ,

    Wow, one bugged icon. Get owned iSheep 😎

    lemmyvore ,

    Yeah let me know when Apple figure out notifications. They’re light years away from what you can do on Android to customize them.

    Or UI navigation. Apple’s insistence on not having an OS “back” feature has led to each app implementing their own. Sometimes it’s a button, good luck finding it and figuring out how it looks, sometimes it’s a gesture or something else.

    quarrk ,
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    Ok, use Android then. Millions of people don’t care about those things because they have different priorities for their phone which Apple accounts for when they decide which features to roll out.

    lemmyvore ,

    Do they? Bad UI and bad notifications is something that everybody constantly complains about with Apple. But do they act on it or do they rest secure knowing they’ve got a captive audience and can simply be tone-deaf and forge on?

    I can come up with lots of other bad UI examples btw those aren’t singular. The security code input pad is atrocious. The 3D touch fiasco etc.

    scala ,

    Android has been 5 years ahead of apple since 2010

    Jolteon ,

    Say what you will about Apple, but they are very good at their Walled garden business model. If you want a stable device and don’t care about privacy, customizability, or the ability to install non-Apple-approved apps, it’s the best Mobile OS.

    lemmyvore ,

    I really wish I could find iPhones sufficient. It sounds nice to just don’t care and let the phone do what it will.

    Unfortunately I’d be missing out on:

    • Ability to install apps from 3rd parties (or my own).
    • Ability to install older versions of apps and to backup and restore apps myself.
    • Ability to use third party or self-hosted services.
    • Features like conversation recording (on my own terms).
    • Payments without paying the Apple tax or Google tax. etc.
    psud ,

    Side loading is practically useful too. I was on a dining holiday in Italy. Italy has zero traffic limits in various cities which are best found through the ZTL app

    But that’s a region limited app, and my phone couldn’t see it. So I downloaded the APK and installed it. I couldn’t have used that app had I been using iPhone.

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    doodle967 OP ,

    Except for the iPhone 15 Pro, no iPhone will support local LLM.

    navi ,
    @navi@lemmy.tespia.org avatar

    And the 16 presumably, which will ship in lock step with iOS 18 in the fall.

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    limerod ,

    You need more ram(8gb or higher) to run Local LLMs without impacting UX. Apple is way to greedy to give all the improvements in one go. It would probably be after IPhone 16 that the whole lineup may get the full suite of AI features.

    entropicdrift ,
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    The latest Pixel phones support a local version of Gemini

    Moonrise2473 ,

    yes but for general people is apple that innovated first, the others are bad imitations

    doodle967 OP ,

    Are you serious? For 17 years, it wasn’t possible to place apps wherever you wanted on the iPhone’s home screen.

    Moonrise2473 ,

    of course. We, the 1% of technical people on lemmy, we know it. General people only know that apple innovates first, the rest are bad copycats. In general, everything becomes incredibly popular only after apple implements it.

    Emoji, nfc payments, third party keyboard, copy and paste, widgets, internet browsers that aren’t a skin of the system browser, wireless charging, 4k video recording it’s all stuff that come to android years or decaded before apple, yet the average people is always thinking that apple is first

    doodle967 OP ,

    Yes, when Apple introduces something that has been around for years, it suddenly becomes popular.

    trolololol ,

    You forgot to add the /s, there’s plenty of people who truly believe what you said.

    Hugh_Jeggs ,

    Bear in mind that Apple phones are the default.

    In your country.

    Nobody else’s.

    limerod ,

    What he said has merit and it also depends on the region. I had a person insist iPhones used type C charging in 2022. I did not want to argue with stupid.

    MrSpArkle ,

    The twist here is that Android was a blackberry competitor, they redid the whole UX after the iPhone announcement. You can read interviews with the original Android devs on the subject.

    There are features that came first to Android, and features that came first to iOS, but the iPhone is what kicked off the current paradigm.

    trolololol ,

    Technically correct

    But it’s also technically correct that from day 1 Android supported multiple methods of typing, which allows to quickly pivot from physical keyboard to on screen. And it was also flexible in multiple ways.

    While Apple was patenting the size of the phone and the radius of its corners, Android was launching push notifications, which is what allows companies to send messages and allows for video chat calling.

    It makes it a great read www.penguin.com.au/books/androids-9781718502680

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