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hannesh93 ,
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For me it’s the climate - no point in bringing a child in a world with a society that will inevitably collapse and a possible world war over land that’s still inhabitable.

Adoption maybe - but for me more children only equal more future suffering - and if not for my children because it’ll be somehow possible to shield them from the worst then for a couple of others that have to suffer in exchange when western countries pull up the drawbridge and let the global south deal with the mess they made for those countries…

atro_city ,

Also, gestures wildly around themself look at the state the world is in. Which sane person would want to bring a child into this fucked up world?

Maalus ,

A lot of people that aren’t doomers.

atro_city ,

I don't own a house with fortified bunker and a literal ton of food. Can't buy a house to begin with. Being a doomer is for the rich.

Maalus ,

Why do you need a house, a bunker? Being a doomer is being pessimistic about global problems, not prepping for the apocalypse.

atro_city ,

Ah, indeed. I was mixing up doomer with prepper. Regardless, you don't have to be a doomer to think the world is shit. You can be hopeful that things will change, but not want to submit an innocent person on pure hope that things will improve.

Maalus ,

The “innocent person on pure hope that things will improve” is 100% doomerism.

I live in a box of 6 flats. 4 of the people have kids, the other guy is renting to have a place to come back to when they return from working abroad. All of the flats at 40m2, people earning a fraction of a salary people in the US do, when the cost of living is maybe 80% of the US. Yet nobody is starving, the kids have a great life, parents are happy. Life goes on as it always has, with couples marrying, having kids, growing old together. This isn’t something that’s somehow unique to here, happens everywhere.

If you want kids, you can get them, support them and give them a bright future. If you don’t want them, fine, just don’t say you can’t have children because the world sucks.

atro_city ,

Lol, OK breeder.

Maalus ,

Cringe.

9point6 ,

Well, you and similar people know the world is fucked up, but there’s a lot more people out there swimming in the ignorance of simply believing everything is fine or that the people raising problems are catastrophising and that everything will somehow work out.

Those people will keep having kids even if basically every sign pointed to the certainty of that kid’s life ending early during some kind of traumatic existential struggle.

There’s just a percentage of society who simply don’t put in much thought beyond their immediate existence and future. That’s almost definitely bad in the grand scheme of things, but I guess on the flip side, they potentially live happier lives in ignorance before getting blipped out of existence.

mojofrododojo ,

Boomers: have more kids! we need the workforce

Boomers: all those taxes that made our families possible - nah fuck that. Keep the minimum wage locked for 15 years.

Speculater ,
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15 more years.

ElJefe ,

I’m a millennial… aren’t we a bit old for this shit anyway?

Coskii ,
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Eeeeh, it’s still technically possible.

Speculater ,
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We’re going to be retiring soon, some of the older millennials, and they’re still going to be telling us to have more kids lol.

Anivia ,

Man, I just hate children and want none of that. A dog is enough responsibility for me

shadowedcross , (edited )

Well it’s 3 things for me:

  1. Too expensive
  2. Don’t think I’d make a good dad, especially since:
  3. I really don’t like children.

I’m not an antinatalist, though. I think we can still improve our situation, so I don’t agree with choosing to not have children, because of the current state of the world, or because of fear it’ll become too extreme. I guess it’s possible you just want to wait to see if it gets any better, but personally speaking, if I were to have children, I’d choose to do so before I was 40. It isn’t enjoyable for the child, for them to be born much later than that.

FireRetardant ,

Part of my problem is i can’t even find trustworthy relationships. Everyone is addicted to hook up culture and finding their next partner on their phone. I’ve even had people claim I’m sexist because I’d want my partner to remain sober during their pregnancy (I’d be willing to stay sober with them the entire time as well).

kusivittula ,

i see nightmares that i can’t take care of my pets. a kid would destroy me, not just financially.

vext01 ,
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Kids are crushingly expensive in their early years… if you want to have a career at the same time…

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