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obinice ,
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

Chat? This isn’t a chat room :P I guess it’s a forum, now that I think about it!

Feck Disney, by the by, bloody awful how evil they are :-(

KLISHDFSDF ,
@KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml avatar

asking “chat” for feedback is a tiktok meme. chat is @Obinice out of touch? ;)

Baguette ,

I’m ancient apparently. Referring to chat always comes to my head as livestreaming on twitch.

NateNate60 ,

You’re correct. Imitating this sort of speech even outside of Twitch is essentially the meme. The joke is that streamers get so inebriated with talking to the chat that even when no chat exists in real-life they still reflectively reference it. This meme started on TikTok but it has spread into general Gen Z pop culture.

circuitfarmer ,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Now THAT is bad PR. Wow. Going to be hard to top it.

Tilgare ,

It’s hard to believe that they decided to take their stand on a case destined to be as high profile as this one. What a monumental misstep. But I hope they stick to their guns now, and that precident is set that stops this practice dead in its tracks.

Cethin ,

Well, if they don’t do it now it sets a precedent that you can sue them. They don’t want that happening.

Tilgare ,

Not precident in the legal sense, but you’re right - if they back off of this defense and agree to take it to court, they’ll be fielding way more of these potentially because there will be blood in the water.

Aceticon ,

The thing has been popping up in newspapers all over the World.

It’s bad PR for Disney and outside the US, it’s bad PR for the US also.

fmstrat ,

Suing for 50k. 50. K.

pandarisu ,

The restaurant is not owned by Disney, but it is on Disney property at Disney Springs, Orlando. I would imagine that they are going after a much bigger sum from the restaurant itself

fmstrat ,

Probably not, big sums are a US thing, and the familly is UK. My point is they’re doing this to try precedence.

jinarched ,
@jinarched@lemm.ee avatar

Piracy is the safe option then. Got it.

CoffeeJunkie ,

Piracy, watching through a friend, BluRays & DVDs, hard copies & actually owning something as opposed to…perpetually renting access, owning nothing & being happy about it.

SaharaMaleikuhm ,

All it takes is one free trial. They got me, it’s over.

asexualchangeling ,

Now that Google is officially an Illigal monopoly, can Disney be next?

cornshark ,

You really think Disney has a monopoly on evil?

asexualchangeling ,

A monopoly on evil no, a monopoly yes

NateNate60 ,

I’m a bit confused here; what have they got a monopoly on?

A monopoly is a business with no viable competitors. But Disney has at least one or two competitors in pretty much everything they do.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

Technically they have a monopoly on all their intellectual property (characters, star wars, marvel, pixar etc.)

Red_October ,

But every company has a “monopoly on their intellectual property.” That’s just how that works and has nothing to do with being a monopoly.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

As I said, technically a monopoly.

Fox + ABC is pretty big, but I don’t see Disney being the same as a Google or Microsoft monopoly.

homicidalrobot ,

Please. You are correct but you need to be informed and eloquent about it. Google “enjoys an 89.2% share of the market for general search services, which increases to 94.9% on mobile devices,” according to the most recent judge to rule against them (it was a 270 page ruling so I can’t blame you for not reading it).

Intellectual property rights do not a monopoly make. Unfair practices (like requiring webpages to conform to a new standard like google amp or not get boosted in search) make the monopoly.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

Intellectual property rights are a government sanctioned monopoly over certain ideas.

But I totally agree that IP is not something that the monopolies and mergers commission will investigate.

SomethingBurger ,

So does Google, but it’s still a monopoly due to how they prevent smaller competitors from challenging the status quo.

a9cx34udP4ZZ0 ,

I sure hope they not only lose, but get further punitive damages for even trying to pull this shit.

Tattorack ,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

I know Disney is as cliché as an evil megacorp gets, but I’m going to need a source for this before I start believing in just any absurd sounding tale.

caden ,
Tattorack ,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

Djeezis… Fucking… Christ…

CoffeeJunkie ,

The guy only asked for $50K after they killed his wife. They’re trying all this batshit crazy nonsense to get out of paying $50,000.

That is a painfully low amount for killing someone, even to a layman. I could pay that if I had to, just not all at once.

To aggressively put it into perspective compared to Disney’s other costs of doing business, Disney is estimated to spend on average $95K per day on fireworks. Totaling $35M per year, up in smoke. Couldn’t be bothered to shell out $50K for killing somebody, though. ¯(°_o)/¯ Their morals, priorities seem to be a little off.

Stern ,
@Stern@lemmy.world avatar

They’re trying all this batshit crazy nonsense to get out of paying $50,000.

The idea being that if they pay 50k to this guy, it might get someone else to want 500k… or 5 million… or more. Alternately, “We got the lawyers, may as well use them.”

Tlaloc_Temporal ,
@Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah, avoiding precedent is pretty important for big corporations. Not only might someone else sue for more, but I think a successful lawsuit can make future suits easier to win and might open them up to other damages.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

If they pay out then the floodgates will open and everyone will trying to die from food allergies in their parks.

/s

loaExMachina ,

I think their idea is more that an arbitration is private while a trial is public. The trial might also set precedent for future cases, while the arbitration wouldn’t.

Now of course, the fact that this story made it in the press completely defeats the first part of the point.

Cerothen ,
John_CalebBradberton ,

This feels so illegal. If it isn’t, it should be. Fuck Disney for this.

chiliedogg ,

This could go either way and be an amazing consumer victory, or essentially the end of the right to sue over anything, ever.

Though what will really happen if it looks like Disney might lose, is Disney will pay off the widower to drop the suit and prevent a precedent.

jonne ,

Disney might want to push it all the way to the Supreme Court, where corporate friendly judges would be all too happy to allow giant corporations to force everyone the interact with into forced arbitration.

NateNate60 ,

Arbitration clauses in consumer contracts should be either illegal or opt-in (not opt-out). Arbitration is only fair when two sides mutually agree to it, not when a megacorp hides it in the 45th paragraph of their terms and conditions while judges continue to entertain the absurd fiction that it’s reasonable to expect consumers to have actually read, understood, and agreed to it.

imaginepayingforred ,

I only want to know how this ends

Anti_Iridium ,

Why the fuck am I paying for Disney plus?

Kbobabob ,

Yarrr

LANIK2000 ,

I sincerely hope this shit blows up. May corporations providing “free” services forever be associated with literal devil’s contacts. Piracy is no longer just about sticking it to the man, it’s about freedom!

Xephonian ,

There are plenty of reasons to hate Disney. If you’re still paying for their content at this point, you are part of the problem.

Contentedness ,

I know this isn’t the point at all, but it must suck to be the chef in charge of that kitchen right now. Like you’ve already made a mistake that’s killed a doctor and now it’s become massive international news…Yikes!

SnokenKeekaGuard OP ,
@SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Yknow what else sucks? Dying.

Also I wonder if the staff could be charged with involuntary manslaughter

PresidentCamacho ,
@PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee avatar

Lets focus our contempt in the correct direction. You have no idea if the wait staff even interacts with the kitchen let alone if they were trained properly, or trained wrong.

TheFriar ,

Well that’s the entire thing, they weren’t properly trained on allergens and how to deal with them. The couple asked, asked again, and when the food came out, asked a third time because it wasn’t marked allergen free.

This lands square at the feet of Disney because this, undoubtedly, was a measure of cost-cutting. Disney is notorious for this type of behavior in recent years. As with any capitalist enterprise, the con goes: over-deliver and build up a rep, deliver on that rep to a T, nothing more nothing less, and then the coup de grâce. Cash in on that goodwill by abusing, tightening purse strings, sacrificing customer satisfaction and often safety.

The question we’re all gonna find out the answer to in the coming years is how much goodwill does Disney have, exactly. How long can they milk their customers, turning them away from future visits by making their park and product experiences so expensive while being underwhelming that people go into debt to experience them, and so abusive of the customer/vendor relationship that people leave with a bad taste in their mouth.

I’m hoping to watch the entire edifice fucking crumble and burn.

ZoopZeZoop ,

I’m not defending Disney and I cannot speak to this situation. My experience at the restaurants in Disney Springs was very good with respect to allergens. When we inquired if a meal could be made without certain ingredients for allergy reasons, the wait staff left and found experienced staff to assist us. At one of the restaurants, the chef came out clarified the ingredients in the meal we inquired about, clarified which ingredients were a problem, and they verified (without prompting) the ingredients we asked be omitted had been omitted when the meals came out. We were quite satisfied with our experience. We had been avoiding nearly all restaurants up until that point and felt some relief with how it turned out.

PresidentCamacho ,
@PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee avatar

Don’t worry, capitalism is the death kneel of humanity. Global warming will end our species as a byproduct of a few thousand people living like gods.

Nuke_the_whales ,

Dunno how it is there but where I live you can’t be charged for a legitimate fuck up at work like that. Only if it was malicious

Natanael ,

In plenty of places, if you work with food and handle allergens then either you need to flag very visibly that you can’t guarantee separation of allergens, or you can be on the hook for accidents too.

Tlaloc_Temporal ,
@Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca avatar

Your job is to serve food. If your food was bad and you said is wasn’t, that’s negligent. Ignorance isn’t a defense when it’s your job.

Mubelotix , (edited )
@Mubelotix@jlai.lu avatar

If they win this case, I volunteer to blow up one of their buildings at night

SnokenKeekaGuard OP ,
@SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’m Spartacus

ArmokGoB ,

Why wait to see if they win?

Mubelotix ,
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