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thorbot , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

Hell has truly frozen over. I guarantee that uninstalling edge will break something else in Windows

BearOfaTime ,

It does.

It breaks URLs/URIs in OneNote. Its fixable, so it’s clearly the fault of the uninstaller.

The reg key for the default html handler is wiped.

Ibaudia ,
@Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

[insert Linux shilling about no registry and text file configs being good]

TCB13 ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

It won’t. System components / apps use the edge webview 2 runtime that is a separate component from the Edge browser itself.

TangledHyphae , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

I wonder if this affects any of the telemetry systems they use to send user data back to the mothership (Microsoft servers)? I haven’t looked into it in a while but there used to be a powershell script to disable a lot of it in the registry.

badbytes , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

As a Linux user, this is freaking funny.

DingoBilly ,

Even better as a Windows 10 user - get to avoid the issues with version 11 and the issues with Linux!

TheMadnessKing ,

W10 also has Edge bundled as system software.

DingoBilly ,

I was more poking fun at the whole Lemmy circlejerk that Linux is the most amazing OS ever built and can do anything without fault.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar
DingoBilly ,

? Thanks for the heads up, not sure how it’s really relevant.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

not sure how it’s really relevant.

Your original comment mentioned this…

Even better as a Windows 10 user - get to avoid the issues with version 11

I responded with the end of life date for Windows 10 to let you know that those are depending on staying on Windows 10 can only do so for a limited amount of time, and hence only have a limited time of avoiding issues with Windows 10. That’s the relevance.

DingoBilly ,

You can say this about all software though? Linux also won’t be around forever… So it’s somewhat irrelevant.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

You can say this about all software though? Linux also won’t be around forever… So it’s somewhat irrelevant.

First, we’re talking about OS’s, and not software in general. Please don’t use a debate tactic to move the goal posts.

Second, nope, you can’t, so it is relevant. Linux has always been here when other OSs have come and gone (OS/2 anyone?).

To your original comment…

Even better as a Windows 10 user - get to avoid the issues with version 11

Just to reiterate, Windows 10 has a shelf life that is very much shorter than Linux’s, so you won’t be a Windows 10 user for much longer.

Regardless of how you feel about this and/or Windows vs. Linux, you’ll need to plan for it.

Make the smart move, you’ll benefit more financially and otherwise for doing so.

DingoBilly ,

Windows has always been free for me so it’s no big issue. But yes, as a current Windows 10 user my point still stands that the best of both worlds is using it IMO. Have the widest support for games and can easily remove any bloatware you want from it already.

You are the one who originally changed the goal posts about it being changed in 2 years time and that being an issue. I’ll worry about that in 2 years time - for all we know Microsoft will extend the support.

But also to your point, Linux is very young itself so you can’t expect it to always be around. Once it’s around for 100+ years sure, but I just don’t see that being a thing. There’ll come a time where it’s no longer relevant.

CosmicCleric , (edited )
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll worry about that in 2 years time - for all we know Microsoft will extend the support.

That link, which it seems you haven’t read, is from Microsoft directly, stating their EoL date, so no, that won’t change.

But also to your point, Linux is very young itself so you can’t expect it to always be around. Once it’s around for 100+ years sure, but I just don’t see that being a thing. There’ll come a time where it’s no longer relevant.

You truly don’t know what you speak of (the italicized part). It’s 32 years old.

You are the one who originally changed the goal posts about it being changed in 2 years time and that being an issue.

That’s not changing the goalpost.

You said you have Windows 10, so you can avoid Windowd 11 and it’s issues that it has that we have all been discussing in this thread.

All I did was respond with that you won’t have Windows 10 forever, so you won’t be able to avoid Windows 11, which you acknowledged…

I’ll worry about that in 2 years time

DingoBilly , (edited )

Yes, I’m glad companies never change their minds about their policies. When they set a date they always keep to it and have never gone back to it due to consumer demand. Oh except they do that a fair bit. Guess we’ll just have to see what Microsoft actually does when it comes time.

32 years is indeed young lol. Maybe you are young yourself so it seems older? There are companies that are hundreds of years old that have gone bankrupt in the last few decades, why would Linux be any different? Again, it may work for now but who knows in the future. But 32 years is nothing. There are older Unix-based systems like Itron and QNX still around and commonly used, but not sure they’ll last.

And to your last point, I can just keep Windows 10 past 2025… It’s not like lack of support forces me up. Do you not realize how many people still use unsupported versions? Check out the XP life cycle: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP#Support_lifecy…

95% of ATM’s were still using it for example 5 years after mainstream support ended.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

So I wasn’t going to bother replying, thinking you were either just trolling, or a bot, but my curiosity got the best of me, so I am replying with just one question…

32 years is indeed young lol.

There are companies that are hundreds of years old that have gone bankrupt in the last few decades, why would Linux be any different?

Are you actually aware of the genesis, history, and current status of the ownership of Linux?

covert_czar , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act
@covert_czar@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’m desperately waiting for a reputed company like Samsung to ditch windows and introduce linux pre-installed laptops

InFerNo ,

Like Dell?

covert_czar ,
@covert_czar@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Samsung once used tizen instead of android just like that, Their own distro would increase traction in this platform

onlinepersona ,

Dell’s Linux support is laughable. I have the distinct displeasure of dealing with their shit quality right now. Camera doesn’t work, fans spin up for no reason, graphics card stutters / sometimes there’s no hardware acceleration… Actual linux shops like system76, purism, tuxedocomputers, slimbook, and other better hardware, better pricing, and better hardware support.

Dell, Fujitsu, HP, etc. are OK as Linux hardware providers, but it’s clear that their main business is till WIndows.

n3m37h ,

System 76

oatscoop ,

There was a brief moment in the 2000s where major manufacturers were selling computers with Linux preinstalled. A lot of netbooks and thin clients had Ubuntu as an option.

covert_czar ,
@covert_czar@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I was not born then🙁

poopsmith ,
@poopsmith@lemmy.world avatar

You can (could?) get Thinkpads with Ubuntu preinstalled.

psud ,

ThinkPad is no longer a good computer for GNU/Linux

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Simply having the option is a good start, but a lot of people would buy those and ask “a friend” to install windows instead. I’ve seen that happen quite often in the early 2010s

White_Flight ,

isn’t Android based on Linux?

elbarto777 ,

Samsung a reputed company? The Samsung of the ad-ridden smart TVs?

nooeh ,

Doesn’t Samsung have nutty bloatware too?

psud ,

Framework make good laptops that can come with Ubuntu

mathterdark , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

Only in EU/EEA countries. So us here in Gilead America are SOL at the moment

MediciPrime ,

It’s because of this that I stopped using windows. Now that steam allows Linux gaming I have no need to revert to that os.

jigsaw250 ,

Are multiplayer titles with anti cheat (Call of Duty, Valorant, etc) able to be played yet? It’s the only thing holding me back.

SRo ,

No

TheMadnessKing ,

Adobe and MS Office for me are far bigger reasons for me.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Are multiplayer titles with anti cheat

EAC is on Linux now, don’t know about any other ones.

arefx ,

I think its largely dependent on the game and what anti cheat they use.

vxx , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

I always hear people complaining about ads on their win 11 and it confuses me, as I’ve never seen a single ad in my win 11 install.

In what section are the ads showing up?

morrowind OP ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

On the widgets board and the news app. It’s shown up in occasional other locations

vxx ,

I use the News app only on accident sometimes, so I’m not certain about that. There has definitely never been an ad on my widget board. Are there any differences in Win 11 Pro to other versions?

I also paid like 18€ for a key and did a fresh install instead of an upgrade if that makes any difference.

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

I also paid like 18€ for a key and did a fresh install instead of an upgrade if that makes any difference.

It’s possible. Straight out of the box, computers and laptops tend to come with all sort of bloatware, both Microsoft’s own and the vendor’s.

The start menu in win10 was the main place to see ads, but anyone with minor computer knowledge could turn it off.

Agent641 , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

Does Linux let you disable its system-embedded advertisements? Didn’t think so!

ItsMeSpez ,

I just wish it would stop showing me ads for Linus’ Only Fans. Like, I already subbed, please go away.

BrownianMotion ,
@BrownianMotion@lemmy.world avatar

It does.

sudo pro config set apt_news=false and sudo truncate -s0 /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20apt-esm-hook.conf

But I feel sorry for you if you are still using Ubuntu at this point.

phoenixz ,

Why?

elbarto777 ,

Which flavor?

vbb , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act
@vbb@lemmy.world avatar

is EU based or something

Tattorack ,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

Uh… Yes. Yes we are.

WashedOver , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act
@WashedOver@lemmy.ca avatar

It seems in some cases when it comes to protecting you from industry practices can only be handled by government agencies.

Blackmist , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

Will they?

Or will you just be able to hide them?

stringere ,

Start menu, search suggestions from the start menu. They can be disabled/hidden from view so you may have done so while customizing Windows?

AnxiousDuck , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

Adesso è godopoli

Resol , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

I’m moving to the EU.

sndrtj ,

With your username, you’d do great in the Netherlands

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

I’m considering going to Flanders instead. I actually made my username like that on purpose.

I don’t think people will like me based on my ethnic background alone, though.

elbarto777 ,

What’s your ethnic background? Kardashian?

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

That’s hilarious.

But no, I’m actually Moroccan. I bet prisons in Western Europe are filled with those.

elbarto777 ,

I know a few Moroccan people living in Europe. They’re doing alright. If you’re a decent person and are willing to learn about the culture that hosts you (without losing your roots, of course), you should do fine.

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Duh, that’s what I plan on doing anyway. After all, it’s much easier to live in a different society if you’re already integrated into it.

elbarto777 ,

Nice, Mr. van Lemmy!

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks, mate.

MonkderZweite , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

Huh, so not in Switzerland?

ColdWater ,
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

I believe Switzerland is not a part of the EU

MonkderZweite , (edited )

Yes, and not on the list. Still, that small country in the center of EU…

MonkderZweite , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

…what happened? Did someone in upper management realize, it would be more expensive to suck?

MashedTech ,

No, it’s because it the EU

MonkderZweite ,

What i said.

deaf_fish ,

No, it’s regulations. Companies are too dumb to save themselves. That’s why they need to get bailed out every once in a while.

lud ,

I think they meant that the fines would be too expensive so they complied.

Matriks404 , to technology in Microsoft will let users uninstall Edge, Bing, and disable ads on Windows 11 as it complies with the Digital Markets Act

Does this also mean Google will let me uninstall Chrome from my Android device? Or is this only about PC’s?

MashedTech ,

I hope we will get there too. Be able to fully install and uninstall Google services.

deaf_fish ,

I hope the ability to install whatever OS on your phone that you want will become mandated and the default for all cell phones.

daYMAN007 ,

Even if this was allowed. Surely most apps wont run anymore in the name of security

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Not really, most OS for phones are android based anyway. Having the choice of an ungoogled android is always a plus, much like many people just want an ungoogled chrome

BearOfaTime ,

This is unenforceable really. Android is a monolithic OS, it’s very architecture would have to be reengineered, and then phone manufacturers would have to design their system drivers to be independent and distributable.

Windows is modular, this comes from the standard BIOS that came out of the bios wars in the 80’s. Having a standard hardware interface enables this.

Phones don’t have this.

gh0stcassette ,
@gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

No it’s not, just mandate unlocked or user-unlockable bootloaders, the open source Android dev community will do the rest. There would be degoogled custom ROMs and full linux (eg Ubuntu touch, postmarketOS, etc.) ports for every reasonably popular device within months.

RaoulDook ,

You can already do that if you buy a phone that is compatible with LineageOS or other open source ROMs.

nudnyekscentryk ,
@nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info avatar

I think their point was that all manufacturers should be forced to allow that

RaoulDook ,

Well that would be nice of course, but won’t ever happen because manufacturers are all over the world and there’s no global law or regulation that could enforce that as a requirement.

What I suggested is still the current best option consumers have.

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Globally, it’s impossible to force a company to do anything. But, with key markets forcing manufactures to comply, most companies decide to go the “well, i’ll make it so for everyone then” route, as it can be cheaper in the long run.

viking ,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

Chrome browser? I could uninstall that right away.

scrooge101 ,

That’s already possible either by using a custom ROM or by connecting to a PC and using adb.

SasquatchBanana ,

We shouldn’t have to rely on 3rd parties for that.

wookiepedia ,

ADB is very much 1st party.

histic ,

Android debug bridge very 3rd party /s

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