The actual procedure is actually calling the suspect to stop, first in Hebrew, then in Arabic, if the suspect does not stop then the soldier loads a round in the chamber, next a warning shot to the air, and then shooting at the suspect’s legs, all the while calling for the suspect to stop. IDF has a tendency to… Expedite this procedure.
It doesn’t help that the ultra-religious, which makes up 99% of settlers, hate the IDF almost as much as Palestinians. The fact they weren’t throwing rocks at the troops surprised me the most.
The IDF represent an armed faction of the secular Jews of Israel. They will make a distinction of Israelis and Israelites, with the Orthodox being the latter. Before the Romans, there were the states of Israel (Tel Aviv) and Judea (Jerusalem), so that separation continues in their mind.
If their kids were conscripted, they fear the secular influences upon them and it is a driving factor in their opposition to conscription.
Surprisingly, there are factions of Orthodox who don’t believe the state of Israel should exist, at least until the Messiah returns. So they oppose the armed faction of the illegitimate state.
There is so much I can’t even begin to explain, and I’m sure some Israelis would even have corrections from what I learned over there. The Orthodox live a decent lifestyle which is 100% paid for by the Secular community, so they can spend their days studying and causing trouble for others. When you hear about armed groups shooting at Palestinians and burning down homes, you’re making a safe bet if you assume they’re Orthodox.
90 percent of war crimes and abuses that I hear about tend to be idf related. Whenever I hear about settlers, it’s normally about them stealing a house or occupying.
They always have, and there is an Orthodox unit with special rules. The community doesn’t like it though. As for birth rate, that’s strictly for the Secular side. Orthodox women are, to put it bluntly, giving birth as a job. This is part of the issue between them and the Secular Jews that fund their lifestyle. Who the hell wants to pay high taxes so someone else’s family of 10 can live without working?
But if not for Israel and their insanely good battlefield record/nukes, these settlers would be dead within a few days for sure. There are lots of Muslims who are really pissed off at Jews generally and the settlers specifically in the region.
Some of you seem to have trouble staying on topic. This was a discussion on why the Orthodox don’t like the IDF. If you’d like to discuss other issues, make a new post and I’ll see you there.
Without opening a discussion about the conflict itself or justifying anything in the article, I will say that as someone who’s been on the receiving end of an adult throwing 5-10 pounds rocks at full strength at them, I truly think you’re underestimating the deadly damage it can cause.
This isn’t a toddler throwing pebbles, such a rock hitting a human will break bones on contact and can absolutely kill of it hits someone’s head
Civilians walking around or driving in cars? No they don’t.
Even for the army with gear on, it will generally save their lives when hit in the right spot, but the stones will still cause injuries wherever they hit.
Oh I know rocks CAN be deadly. But so can lots of things. From the info in the article they were throwing rocks at cars, not IDF forces who are undoubtedly armoured to the teeth for greater stopping power than rocks.
Just seems strange to shoot someone for not obeying when they aren’t directly threatening you, but the article is a bit light on actual details. Being the source that it is, I don’t think they would hesitate to highlight the IDF were defending themselves if they actually were.
Using a deadly weapon in a manner that can cause death is much worse than possessing a deadly weapon. You think people in cars haven’t died from stone throwers before?
I don’t understand this logic. IDF literally shooting someone is somehow less of a “use of a deadly weapon in a manner that can cause death” than throwing a stone at a car?
I get that they deemed the person dangerous, but shooting someone for throwing a stone is a slippery slope to all sorts of things, eg. Kettled protesters who start throwing stones at riot police. Should the police just mow them all down because rocks can be deadly?
Me move the goalposts? What are you talking about? I’ve been maintaining the whole time that it’s potentially over the top to shoot someone with a gun when they are throwing rocks at cars, while admitting we don’t have all the facts om how it went down.
You on the other hand, keep coming back to me about different rock related dangers and vaguely alluding that shooting someone throwing rocks is fine whatever the scenario because rocks can be hand wavy amounts of dangerous.
You asked me if I knew the stats on rock throwing deaths. I don’t, but I assumed you would enlighten me seeing as you brought it up. Instead you accuse me of moving the goalposts when I’m still taking about the case in point.
A little bit of side context around PA-Israeli collaborationism for anyone just rolling through:
“Popular discontent with the PA, which cooperates with Israel on security, has been simmering in Jenin. Crowds last week heckled several visiting top officials of Abbas’s Fatah party, including deputy chairman Mahmoud Aloul.
On Wednesday, Abbas expressed determination to back Jenin’s reconstruction and security, describing the camp as an “icon of steadfastness and struggle”, in a short address to cheering supporters.
“We have come to say that we are one authority, one state, one law,” Abbas said, warning against anyone who “tampers with the unity and security of our people”.
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Abbas used his speech to issue a veiled threat at armed groups “undermining” Palestinian security.
“There will be one authority and one security force. Anyone who seeks to undermine its unity and security will face the consequences. Any hand that reaches out to harm the people and their stability shall be cut off,” he said.”
**Last weekend Israel’s envoy to Ukraine, Ambassador Michael Brodsky, said that Kyiv’s support for anti-Israel resolutions at the UN impacts support from the Jewish State.
Ukraine supports anti-Israel resolutions at the United Nations “in 90% of cases,” Brodsky said.**
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