I clicked so you don’t have to. It’s all “the IDF said”. No independent verification.
Actually, it’s almost funny, they repeat all the stuff the IDF is saying, and the only thing they label as “cannot be independently verified” is the Palestinian death toll.
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Does that mean that if Likud has a headquarters near some civilian installation, that it's okay to blow it up and the civilians along with it?
(Not that I necessarily believe that Hamas had a command center next to all of the children, but even if they did, I don't think that automatically means that blowing up all the children in the school becomes okay)
That’s…Hamas doctrine. They use civilians as human shields to avoid western attacks. Israel is notably different in their approach where they have basically decided to ignore human shield attempts in order to more effectively counter Hamas. Arguably, if it never works and Hamas fighters get killed anyway, Hamas might stop doing it because being amongst civilians means there are a lot of people who can inform on where Hamas militants are and what they’re doing. I suspect most civilians there support Hamas though, so it probably won’t change Hamas doctrine.
In Afghanistan by contrast, the US worked with various tribal elders who didn’t support al-Qaeda. This information allowed US forces to counter human shield tactics in those areas and fighters increasingly moved out to the remote regions so civilians couldn’t inform the US where they were.
The west bank is illegally occupied that mean every single west banker arrested by israel was kidnapped. We also know how palestinian prisoners are treated.
The one time the UN looked in detail into this theory, it turned out it was crap. Hamas and civilians are sometimes next to each other just because they all live in Palestine, but the claimed thing where they would deliberately gather up some civilians and have them stand next to their installation, as if this would deter the Israelis or as if there was any shortage of non-artificial civilian casualties and so it was useful on any level to create some artificially, was it turned out a bunch of hooey.
The Israeli army has used Palestinian civilians as human shields, deliberately putting them in strategic places and in front of military targets, in an attempt to prevent attacks, fortify its forces in the Gaza Strip, facilitate its military operations and obstruct corresponding military operations. When conducting ground incursions and military attacks, the Israeli army purposefully used Palestinian civilians to guard its forces’ assembly points. It also made them step in front of military vehicles when it stormed homes and buildings it thought were booby-trapped.
You are gross because you repeat the same broken record. Hamas is using human shield, which is not true, and even then justifying murdering of children and deflecting the reality that the goal is a genocide of Palestinian youth !
If you want to apply the same ratios the IDF uses when it comes to civilian casualties, Hamas comes out way better on Oct 7. The majority of the hostages and victims were IDF personnel.
Basically, the unacceptable and disgusting Hamas terror attack had a 32% legitimate targets to total hits ratio
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Or you can say that for every 1 legitimate target they also killed 2 illegitimate ones.
That of course does not mean that killing of legitimate targets cannot be a war crime (eg when they surrender).
But for the IDF to not be comparable to an abominable terror group, the ratios should be much different. And if we are to accept the “most moral army” thing, the ratio should be radically different (angel vs devil comparison).
Neither were the churches. Or the hospitals. Or the UN facilities. Or the Schools. Or the desalination plant. Or the tents filled with refugees. Or the graves of Australian soldiers. Or Palestinian civilians. Or the greenhouses.
I think their AI targeting machine was programmed to accept a 1 to 100 ratio of Hamas vs civilians. I guess stuff like that makes them the most moral army in the world.
They are still a democracy until the fascists in power take over the judicial (bibi was trying) and cancel elections altogether. The left and the army want bibi to go. However, the government can’t fall, because bibi doesn’t want to go to jail and the ultraorthodox far-right will collapse government if there is a cease-fire…meanwhile Israel can’t be pressured from the outside because the US has bipartisan unconditional support and the EU is MIA…threats by Iran only embolden bibi to start a fight so they can destroy Iran’s nuclear tech…
Either the army rebels and demands new elections🙄…or someone amnisties bibi on condition of him calling new elections and going into exile😑 …I’m making shit up at this point…
As of now the Palestinian health authorities haven’t released the names of those 81 that are allegedly dead. Usually they don’t take long at all. In the meantime the IDF has released the 19 terrorists that totally weren’t hiding inside a school and are now dead. I assume most of those 81 don’t exist.
Hamas is known to inflate the number of dead and injured, cry wolf over and over and, in general, lie in order to make Israel and The IDF look bad. All while painting themselves as poor, innocent sheep.
The first thing they did was to accuse The IDF of killing over 100 children by dropping a 2 ton bomb in the middle of a school.
As we can see, neither the number of dead, the munitions used or the demography that was targeted (Hamas militants vs children) are factually correct.
We are, in fact, at war with a terrorist organization. Targeting them while trying to minimize civilian casualties is acceptable and is what’s actually happening.
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They wouldn’t be if they ensured full (and equal) rights to all its citizens. It’s delusional to think the situation would ever go back to that of before 1947
So they can buy them from Russia and China instead, without any of the stipulations that the US requires? That’s a very quick way to make Palestine disappear off the planet, while also losing a powerful ally to hostile states.
Believe it or not, this is still Israel restraining itself. A full arms embargo would guarantee that they wipe Palestine off the face of the earth. This is not an opinion, it is an objective geopolitical fact.
Edit: This would also likely lead to Israel selling weapons to Russia to use against Ukraine. Their domestic weapons industry is massive.
I don’t believe it. Israel is a fascist state because of the Likud, they will stop this genocide if the US applies ANY political pressure. Destroying the far right in the Knesset will lead to a more egalitarian Israel.
Are you completely unaware of the political pressure that has already been applied? Or how it worked the last dozen times that Israel and Palestine have gone to war? Do you think that weapons are the only thing that Israel needs from the US?
Destroying the far right in the Knesset will lead to a more egalitarian Israel.
This part is dead on, but again, the US has no control there.
How? Where are they going to get all these weapons? Russia doesn’t have enough to give them. They’re not gonna buy from Iran. Maybe china but china most likely will not want to back Israel. And if the US and it’s allies say they’re done with this Israel isn’t going to attack anyone because the US would just sit back and let Hezbollah and Iran do what they want
Literally anything. It seems “They’ve tried (almost) nothing, and they’re all out of ideas!” This is such a mind-boggling fuckup from Biden. Probably the biggest of his presidency.
Israel is run by out-of-control extremists and racists (much like T**** regime). Who will justify any killing, because “they’re in danger” (also sounds familiar). Biden is seemingly vetoing his own advisors, as Netanyahu continually kills civilians, Israeli hostages, and chance after chance at a ceasefire.
I really hope Harris has a more intelligent approach. It wouldn’t take much.
The U.S. is between a rock and a hard place with Israel being the only friendly foothold in the Middle East with ports. Which enables a ton of power projection over “things” the U.S. cares about.
But then Israel is now an entity that we don’t want to associate with. But we can’t just let them shit the bed and allow a multi-state war with nuclear powers to take place either.
The later will hurt the U.S. in tangible ways, for decades to come.
So what do you do? Do you knowingly cause damage the security interests of country, or do you follow the social/societal expectations that we don’t just fucking kill innocent civilians and let Israel eat the lunch they made… Indirectly enabling a war which you will get drug into regardless?
Shit sucks, everywhere. And Israel are being the baddies, while the U.S. is enabling it.
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