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masquenox ,

Fash bashing fash.

soviettaters ,

All settlements are illegal and all settlers are enemy combatants in the years of Palestinians. Off-topic but it’s something few recognize

dept ,

how the turntables

SheeEttin ,

Wait, the IDF shot an Israeli throwing rocks at Palestinians? Usually they shoot the Palestinians.

ours ,

Took me a while for my brain not to misinterpret the title.

Tenesto ,

That’s why it’s funny. They shoot Palestinians all the time but one settler gets shot and it’s reported everywhere.

queermunist ,
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Or: troops saw a guy with a mask and shot him, then made up shit to justify themselves

Guntrigger ,

the soldiers began a “suspect arrest procedure,” which included opening fire at one of the suspects

Seems like a slightly harsh procedure to arrest someone with stones as their weapon.

PitzNR ,

The actual procedure is actually calling the suspect to stop, first in Hebrew, then in Arabic, if the suspect does not stop then the soldier loads a round in the chamber, next a warning shot to the air, and then shooting at the suspect’s legs, all the while calling for the suspect to stop. IDF has a tendency to… Expedite this procedure.

Fazoo ,
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It doesn’t help that the ultra-religious, which makes up 99% of settlers, hate the IDF almost as much as Palestinians. The fact they weren’t throwing rocks at the troops surprised me the most.

magnetosphere ,
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It doesn’t help that the ultra-religious, which makes up 99% of settlers, hate the IDF almost as much as Palestinians.

I had no idea this was the case. Thanks!

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

It doesn’t help that the ultra-religious, which makes up 99% of settlers, hate the IDF almost as much as Palestinians.

Wait really? Why?

Fazoo ,
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It’s a big mixed bag, but a few key reasons are:

  • The IDF represent an armed faction of the secular Jews of Israel. They will make a distinction of Israelis and Israelites, with the Orthodox being the latter. Before the Romans, there were the states of Israel (Tel Aviv) and Judea (Jerusalem), so that separation continues in their mind.
  • If their kids were conscripted, they fear the secular influences upon them and it is a driving factor in their opposition to conscription.
  • Surprisingly, there are factions of Orthodox who don’t believe the state of Israel should exist, at least until the Messiah returns. So they oppose the armed faction of the illegitimate state.

There is so much I can’t even begin to explain, and I’m sure some Israelis would even have corrections from what I learned over there. The Orthodox live a decent lifestyle which is 100% paid for by the Secular community, so they can spend their days studying and causing trouble for others. When you hear about armed groups shooting at Palestinians and burning down homes, you’re making a safe bet if you assume they’re Orthodox.

Historical_General ,

90 percent of war crimes and abuses that I hear about tend to be idf related. Whenever I hear about settlers, it’s normally about them stealing a house or occupying.

Fazoo ,
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Then you’re not actually paying attention to what is happening. Just whatever headline pops up when you happen to be watching.

The Orthodox community isn’t an army, so the crimes they commit would never be labeled as war crimes.

Historical_General , (edited )

I hear about lsrael wanting to conscript Orthodox youngsters into the army, and a birth rate issue.

Fazoo ,
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They always have, and there is an Orthodox unit with special rules. The community doesn’t like it though. As for birth rate, that’s strictly for the Secular side. Orthodox women are, to put it bluntly, giving birth as a job. This is part of the issue between them and the Secular Jews that fund their lifestyle. Who the hell wants to pay high taxes so someone else’s family of 10 can live without working?

LeonidasFett ,

But if not for Israel and their insanely good battlefield record/nukes, these settlers would be dead within a few days for sure. There are lots of Muslims who are really pissed off at Jews generally and the settlers specifically in the region.

Fazoo ,
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Some of you seem to have trouble staying on topic. This was a discussion on why the Orthodox don’t like the IDF. If you’d like to discuss other issues, make a new post and I’ll see you there.

LeonidasFett ,

I WAS talking about orthodox Jews, smartass.

Fazoo ,
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You were talking about them, but not in the context of the discussion, dumbass. Your reading comprehension needs a tune up.

LeonidasFett , (edited )

The report me or fuck off. You don’t get to tell people what they can and cannot post.

Your entitlement needs a tune down.

Fazoo ,
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So you post something irrelevant to the discussion and then get aggressive over being told do? Grow the fuck up.

LeonidasFett ,

How about you follow your own advice and shut the fuck up.

Fazoo ,
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It is incredible how childish you’ve become after a simple failure on your part. Lol

LeonidasFett ,

Stay on topic you retard. This post is about jews!

Fazoo ,
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Once again proving your lack of comprehension. Well done, child.

Guntrigger ,

That’s good additional info.

Barns ,
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Without opening a discussion about the conflict itself or justifying anything in the article, I will say that as someone who’s been on the receiving end of an adult throwing 5-10 pounds rocks at full strength at them, I truly think you’re underestimating the deadly damage it can cause.

This isn’t a toddler throwing pebbles, such a rock hitting a human will break bones on contact and can absolutely kill of it hits someone’s head

Fazoo ,
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Yeah, you have to view it like stoning. One good rock to an unprotected head is all it takes to turn the lights off.

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

I mean true enough but don't they wear protective gear?

DoomBot5 ,

Civilians walking around or driving in cars? No they don’t.

Even for the army with gear on, it will generally save their lives when hit in the right spot, but the stones will still cause injuries wherever they hit.

Guntrigger ,

Oh I know rocks CAN be deadly. But so can lots of things. From the info in the article they were throwing rocks at cars, not IDF forces who are undoubtedly armoured to the teeth for greater stopping power than rocks.

Just seems strange to shoot someone for not obeying when they aren’t directly threatening you, but the article is a bit light on actual details. Being the source that it is, I don’t think they would hesitate to highlight the IDF were defending themselves if they actually were.

DoomBot5 ,

Using a deadly weapon in a manner that can cause death is much worse than possessing a deadly weapon. You think people in cars haven’t died from stone throwers before?

Guntrigger ,

I don’t understand this logic. IDF literally shooting someone is somehow less of a “use of a deadly weapon in a manner that can cause death” than throwing a stone at a car?

I get that they deemed the person dangerous, but shooting someone for throwing a stone is a slippery slope to all sorts of things, eg. Kettled protesters who start throwing stones at riot police. Should the police just mow them all down because rocks can be deadly?

DoomBot5 ,

Why do you keep using arguments where stones are being thrown at police/army? These stones were being thrown at unarmed, unprotected humans.

Guntrigger ,

Stop being disingenuous. The rocks were thrown at cars. They weren’t interrupting a public stoning.

DoomBot5 ,

Do you know how many people died from rocks thrown at cars? I’m not talking hypotheticals, I’m talking real deaths and injuries.

Guntrigger ,

Do you? I’d wager it’s considerably lower than deaths from shootings involving figures of authority.

DoomBot5 ,

I mean, you can keep moving the goalpost all you want, doesn’t make you any less wrong.

Guntrigger ,

Me move the goalposts? What are you talking about? I’ve been maintaining the whole time that it’s potentially over the top to shoot someone with a gun when they are throwing rocks at cars, while admitting we don’t have all the facts om how it went down.

You on the other hand, keep coming back to me about different rock related dangers and vaguely alluding that shooting someone throwing rocks is fine whatever the scenario because rocks can be hand wavy amounts of dangerous.

You asked me if I knew the stats on rock throwing deaths. I don’t, but I assumed you would enlighten me seeing as you brought it up. Instead you accuse me of moving the goalposts when I’m still taking about the case in point.

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