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bradorsomething , to news in Palestinian said shot dead by settler while harvesting olives in West Bank

This is a classic story here: Settlers attack farmer, farmer retaliates, settlers run to IDF to destroy farm.

Salamendacious OP ,
@Salamendacious@lemmy.world avatar

Child throws a rock at an armored tank…

dumdum666 , to news in Palestinian said shot dead by settler while harvesting olives in West Bank

The person that killed the farmer needs to go to jail.

I hope Israel is able to shed itself of those awful rightwing politicians, soon. They embolden those lunatics.

sirboozebum ,

We all know that is not going to happen.

Limitless_screaming , to news in Palestinian said shot dead by settler while harvesting olives in West Bank
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This is intentional, the occupation government did the same thing with settlements in Gaza until people started supporting and joining Hamas. This ended up destroying the democratic PLO and Fatah government, giving them an excuse to blockade the stripe and make it unlivable.

Even though the Fatah government which is peaceful and recognizes "Israel" is still in power in the West bank, the occupation army, police, and their settlers continue to target Palestinians in the West bank killing them, and destroying their property. Isn'trael is not going to dismantle those settlements until a violent government takes power in the West bank, giving them an excuse to turn it into Gaza and from that into rubble.

This is what their government wants, and what their flag stands and has always stood for.

roastedDeflator , to news in Palestinian said shot dead by settler while harvesting olives in West Bank
BMatthew , to news in Palestinian said shot dead by settler while harvesting olives in West Bank

They are arming the settlers. This is now somewhere around 100 dead in the West Bank.

xc2215x , to news in Palestinian said shot dead by settler while harvesting olives in West Bank

Very sad to see.

curiousaur , to world in Norway says Israel response to Hamas attack disproportionate

Disproportionate is the best way to make sure it doesn’t happen again.

dangblingus ,

Also could be how you radicalize future generations against you.

curiousaur ,

That’s why is pragmatic to leave none left. Not saying it’s good or right, just that from a pure strategy standpoint it makes sense what they’re doing.

spirinolas ,

Are you actually defending this?..

curiousaur ,

Just saying it’s pragmatic given the various parties goals.

This whole thing is horrible, and has been horrible for a long time. It’s clear now peaceful coexisting is not an option. Only one of these two has the ability to permanently end the conflict.

bemenaker , to world in Norway says Israel response to Hamas attack disproportionate

They always are

Sparlock ,

I think this limit has been largely exceeded

I vote this for understatement of the week.

nucleative , to world in Norway says Israel response to Hamas attack disproportionate

Preface that I have no solutions to offer to the conflict.

But if a school bully takes your lunch one too many times, he’s eventually gonna get punched in the face. But in this case, Hamas is too underpowered to be the school bully.

It’s more like the mosquito that just won’t stop buzzing in your ear even though you are traipsing in his forest. Except this mosquito flies with 2m of his closest brothers and sisters and your response is to burn his forest down.

I don’t know what I’m trying to say. Hamas has annoyed Israel one too many times and now is getting an angry, irrational response with tons of collateral damage. Not a calculated response.

Perhaps the only thing I can offer is that the response from Israel isn’t all that irrational. Every person can be driven to the point of breaking and lashing out.

Israel has obviously completely had it with Hamas and would rather bear the international consequences of wiping Gaza off the map instead of facing one more rocket across that border. Honestly that is a pretty fucking huge miscalculation for Hamas. Because Israel is a much better international diplomat and the winner gets to write the history book.

When you have two kids on the school yard that are lashing out, the principal comes along and makes sure neither crosses the others path again. That may be how this ends, but I fear the world doesn’t care enough about either side to get involved that way.

ssboomman ,

I think that analogy is backwards here. Israel is the school bully. This has never not been the case, ever since the partition. In the past 75 years Israel has been displacing and killing Palestinian people, restricting freedom of movement, doing settler colonialism and genocide. Hamas’s horrific terror attacks are the result of the material conditions of Palestinian people deteriorating. The more Israel pushes them into a corner, the more extremism will look that a real choice to them.

Israel keeps taking Palestinian lunches, but much of the western world doesn’t care because they are Israel’s allies. Then the western world hears about hamas attacks and gives israel more money and weapons, continuing the cycle.

Boermund ,

lol 1948? When all their neighbours attcked them? And the three wars after that?

ssboomman ,

Yeah in 1948 when they started their genocide. Why do you think their neighbors started attacking them? Do you really think that it has nothing to do with the borders drawn up by the British, which forced an apartheid state onto the Palestinians?

Boermund ,

They started the genocide by beeing attacked? Drawn by the UN and all arab states voted on it, but didnt like the result.

ssboomman ,

Huh kinda weird how all of the people who would ultimately be affected by this new theocratic ethnostate voted against it huh? Did you ever stop to think that that is?

…wikipedia.org/…/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_fo…

Western powers created a state that they had no business creating, against the wishes of the local population. When the locals fought back, a war broke out and Israel used the opportunity to take 60% of the land that was a part of the agreed Arab state as well as numerous zones that they were supposed to be sharing. That ended up displacing almost a million Palestinians.

A perfect analogy to this conflict is if someone ran into your home, said they owned 50% of your house, then when you fight back they throw you in the bathroom and keep even more of it. Ever since you get less and less. All the while the western imperial core supports them.

snek , to world in Norway says Israel response to Hamas attack disproportionate
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Actually what this guy said is:

“International law stipulates that [the reaction] must be proportionate. Civilians must be taken into account, and humanitarian law is very clear on this. I think this limit has been largely exceeded”

But the Times of Israel likes to erase this from the title and make it sound like they just went one woopsie too far. Poor genocidal Israel… pout

Gerula , to world in Norway says Israel response to Hamas attack disproportionate

"Rockets are still being fired from Gaza into Israel, and we condemn this,” he adds.

_xDEADBEEF , to world in Norway says Israel response to Hamas attack disproportionate

Tell us something new, Norway.

Gigan , to world in Norway says Israel response to Hamas attack disproportionate
@Gigan@lemmy.world avatar

I’m glad a western country had the balls to say it.

bemenaker ,

Ireland and Norway have historically been critical of this.

Five , to world in Norway says Israel response to Hamas attack disproportionate

Disproportionate is an understatement.

Karyoplasma ,

The real shame is that Israel’s attack in response to the recent terror attack has been closer to proportionate than its “retaliations” over the past decades.

dangblingus ,

That’s…terrible.

UltraMagnus0001 , to world in Norway says Israel response to Hamas attack disproportionate

I wonder if this story is biased? /s

rentar42 ,

How so? It seems to consist basically entirely of direct quotes. So unless they misquoted or are leaving out some massively important context, I can't see how it would be biased.

UltraMagnus0001 , (edited )

Norway’s prime minister says the Israeli army’s response to the deadly Hamas attack that killed 1,400 people and saw over 230 abducted by terrorists has been disproportionate, and denounces a “catastrophic” humanitarian situation in Gaza.

No mention of the mass killings and displaced people of Palestine. The quotes were convenient for the narrative, all the stories on the website follow the same narrative. No mention of innocent Palestinians and Israel people who don’t support the war. Just how they have to get Hamas and need funds to support the war.

The war affects innocent people on both sides.

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