If he doesn’t win election, I want his stans to remember this and understand that he threw it. He, or at least his staff, must know what a historically unpopular policy this is.
The dems clearly aren’t as excited about beating Trump as their voters are.
They’ll just blame the voters, like they already do.
The Dems have invested everything into Biden so they can’t change their ship, and the stans can’t admit there is any flaws, so it must be everyone else that is wrong.
I see you’ve been on Lemmy for a bit! Are the rest of you chucklefucks ready to admit Biden is also a REALLY FUCKING BAD PRESIDENT?! Global Warming? Income Inequality? Healthcare?
I don’t know where you guys see it, but I never see any stans for Biden who can’t admit his flaws like we see with Trump supporters. The only support I see for Biden is for the general election, not for him or his policies overall. I only see people being critical of Biden but saying we need to vote for him anyway. As bad as it is, there is no Palestine with Trump, there’s possibly no democracy with Trump, there’s only likely a lot of suffering for the regular people with Trump.
I see it everywhere. I’d name drop but can’t “attack the user” in this community or whatever the rule is.
It’s almost at maga levels with these people. Any criticism of Biden is met with “Why do you want Trump to win”, “Bidens policies have been so good but no one knows about them”, or “The president can’t just do things”. I always see zero willingness to admit his huge flaws and only deflection.
Sometimes we hold our nose and vote. Because the alternative is so deeply problematic our moral judgement of one is dwarfed by the moral and practical horror of the other.
Not voting against Trump is enabling even more genocide and the end of some women and minority rights so don’t pretend like you’ve got the moral high ground if your refuse to vote because of the Democrats stance on Israel.
They absolutely have the moral highground. Fuck a president that enables genocide and funds it. Saying “oh don’t be a single issue voter!” when the issue is “stop mass killings of people with a single phone call” is so out of this world, it’s just insane.
If literal genocide cannot convince liberals to consider third parties, then I’m convinced they will never support third parties. This is the duopolies Sandy Hook moment. If you see Genocide A or Genocide B and don’t seek a third option, you will never seek a third option.
Sure but that third party doesn’t exist so you knowingly letting an even worse option win thus enabling even more genocide just shows you didn’t really care about genocides in the first place
Ok, those aren’t the same thing as supporting him. I will admit I don’t care for his policies, but they have been better than I expected, which is something. Also, yeah the president doesn’t have the power to do that much alone. It requires congress to play a role, which the democrats don’t have enough control in to do. Those are extremely valid things to say, and you can say them while still being critical of Biden. It sounds like you want people to only be critical of him, which is just as bad as only supporting him. We need to understand there’s more beyond the one man or we will fail.
Saying they’re amazing is, but that’s not what you said they said.
Defending can be, but it isn’t necessarily. I’ll defend a lot of people or things that people are attacking for no reason. That said, defending someone from a legitimate critique is usually done out of support, but still sometimes it’s done out of a feeling of necessity.
Media ratings too. Every single outlet that plays on TV would love a Trump victory because it makes people pay attention who would otherwise not watch any news.
We all fully understand that. Well, most intelligent enough people do. Sure, there are some very vocal leftists calling for a boycott to the vote (as is the custom, so nothing new), but most of us know—even with leftist views—that we need to keep trump away from office. We will all just pull the lever for Biden because we have no other choice. It’s a shitty, unappealing and massively problematic choice. But we all know trump will be 10x worse on everything we have a problem with Biden doing. Not to mention, all the trans people, gay people, etc.
But that doesn’t equate to enthusiastic support for Biden. Because we all disapprove. Doesn’t mean we all don’t realize we have to vote for him. We’re just not democrats or Biden fans, so we complain.
But the other side of that coin is that this kind of shit will stop a not insignificant portion of people from voting for him, not understanding what another trump presidency means. Because there are a lot of performative leftists who think holding up an “well I didn’t vote for him” badge is something to be proud of…while LGBTQIA+ people are pushed back into the shadows, sent to conversion therapy, can’t get healthcare, etc. Doing shit like this will turn those people off. And it’s understandable—in a way. Because how can you justify lending your support to someone supporting genocide? Is it really noble to vote blue while they actively aid in the slaughter of Palestinians? Or while they treat immigrants like shit or keep arming police departments to the teeth with war machines and keep passing pro-surveillance laws and working with private equity and participating in every corporatist neoliberal tradition that sickens us all?
Well, it’s the basic concept of harm reduction. Not voting doesn’t help anyone but the non-voter because they get to hop on that high horse any time something goes wrong. It’s an insanely privileged choice, and actually will end up hurting a lot of people if trump wins. That’s the opposite of harm reduction. For example, making drugs legal and handing out free, clean needles, you’re technically supporting people’s destructive addictions. But you’re reducing the harm that inevitable presence of addiction can bring. It’s a good thing to do.
Even if it makes us sick to vote for Biden, neglecting to keep trump from the levers of power is so insanely self-destructive and harmful to vulnerable people and maybe even literally a mistake we will never, ever right. We have a desperate climate emergency on our hands. Four years (if we can actually get him out of office after that) of trump climate policy will literally kill us all.
I love how I called out that you absolute shitheels love blaming everyone else when the dems trip on their own dicks and hand victory to someone like Trump, and your immediate reaction is to blame me for pointing it out.
Do you understand what’s happening here? Are you able to look at your own behaviour? Did you even understand what I said?
Dems lose, blame voters, move rightward, repeat. At some point they themselves will be fascists and their supporters will urge everyone to vote for the ‘softer’ fascist. They see no issue in continuing this cycle and pledging their votes with no conditions or red lines, exactly like how Biden funds Israel. Why expect them to do what you want if youve signaled you’ll never leave their side?
Notably, the new budget proposal does not include funding for the UN relief agency for Palestinian refugees UNRWA, which is currently being investigated after 12 of its members allegedly participated in Hamas’s October 7 terror onslaught.
This is after it turned out that Israel's accusation was a lie, as is usually the case. This man will go down in November and drag the rest of the world with him.
That’s because UNWRA isn’t the UN. Really the UN should have sent proper members there instead of making a special case and creating the UNWRA in the first place.
UNRWA is part of the UN, same as UNHCR. It’s development and continuation separate to UNHCR has to do with denying Palestinians Right of Return. The most recent false accusations are used by Israel to futher destroy and cripple any aid infrastructure for Gaza. To intentionally force millions to suffer from famine, disease, and dehydration.
“UNRWA was established in 1949 by the UN General Assembly (UNGA) to provide relief to all refugees resulting from the 1948 conflict. It also provided relief to Jewish and Arab Palestine refugees inside the State of Israel following the 1948 conflict until the Israeli government took over responsibility for them in 1952.[7][8][9] As a subsidiary body of the UNGA, UNRWA’s mandate is subject to periodic renewal every three years; it has consistently been extended since its founding, most recently until 30 June 2026.[10]”
Bullets are a lot more expensive than bandages most of the time.
(Edit: that is not to say that this is a reasonable allocation of resources in this situation. The appropriate ratio would be zero bullets and a couple dozen new, fully equipped hospitals and several hundred well-stocked kitchens.)
Only islam is allowed to be prosletysed, non muslims are completely banned from mecca
Around 2 million Muslims enjoying complete freedom of religion inside Israel. While Jews cannot even wear a small head cover in neighboring countries.
Yet about which country the millions of hateful useful idiots gathering in the streets of western capitals shouting “Apartheid”?
Not only do Muslims have freedom of religion but Jews are not allowed to pray on the temple mount by law. While true that some interpretations of Judaism forbid even setting foot on the temple mount until the third temple is built that not all of them do and it is not the reason for the law. The law is there because historically whenever Palestinians even think Jews may be trying to do anything of a religious nature on the temple mount there has been violence. So despite having physical access to the temple mount Jews are not allowed to pray on it in order to maintain the status quo from before Israel captured the area in 1967 in order to attempt to keep the peace.
When polled, most Gazans listed al-Aqsa as the reason for the Oct 7th massacre (hence the name al-Aqsa flood) over seeking statehood or the blockade
The poll showed that 81% of respondents believed that Hamas’ primary goal in its Oct. 7 attack was a “response to settler attacks on Al-Aqsa Mosque and on Palestinian citizens and for the release of prisoners from Israeli prisons.”
It found that 72% of respondents approved of Hamas’ decision to launch the Oct. 7 attack, in which the terror group killed 1,200 Israelis, took more than 240 captive and committed numerous atrocities.
call it for what it is ,this is a religious conflict
Around 2 million Muslims enjoying complete freedom of religion inside Israel. While Jews cannot even wear a small head cover in neighboring countries.
Well is Israel not merciful to allow Muslims to pray while they are being starved to death and murdered? Real good Samaritans the people in the Israeli government are.
Man, if your argument relies on comparing a country to despotism like Saudi Arabia to get a 'favorable' comparison, maybe both countries are dog shite.
What do they think will happen if they destroy all infrastructure and institutions, the only result will be a more violent, more numerous, and more effective resistance. Either they see it as an acceptable price for this orgy of violence, they are to stupid to realize this, or their plans are a lot darker than what we are currently seeing.
They love it when people fight back. Especially because America keeps sending them more bombs when that happens. They can “self defense” all over the place.
Israel has no idea how much they have destroyed their credibility for an entire generation.
I used to read articles about Middle East issues and think that things I was reading in Al Jazeera or similar publications were a little biased. For the most part I used to think that Israel was at least being a good faith actor in their decision making.
Now, I literally do not trust anything that is published in Israel; nor anything that the Israeli government claims is true or said has happened.
If Israeli Times or IdF or Israeli government said that the sky was blue, I would literally go outside to double check, because obviously something weird is going on and the sky is no longer blue.
I also have learned to meet the things Biden says with skepticism. Until Biden takes concrete action to punish Israel or stop the genocide, he will not have my vote. Nor millions of votes from other democrats and Americans whose families are affected by this genocide. A whole generation of young people have had the curtains pulled back. Thank goodness.
Israel and the United States have been lying this whole time. Forcing an apartheid occupation for half a century.
It’s a funny example of Gell-Mann amnesia at play I suppose.
Just waiting for that Russian military with low morale and hollowed out by corruption to bring us that imminent victory in Ukraine we’ve been promised any day now for the past two years. Keep believing in victory citizen, it’s right around the corner!
I guess my original point was just agreeing with you on your main point. I figured I was supporting your position by pointing out the media dishonesty extended farther than just Israeli publications. The Ukraine point was a throwaway of another example I thought was fairly straightforward, but whatever, it’s cool, we don’t need to continue this conversation.
Cool. Thanks for fucking over trans people in the United States with your non-vote of moral superiority. We’ll go ahead and reap those consequences for you. At least the other guy will do right by Gaza I’m sure since that is the priority here.
Just as an FYI, russia likes to give its hacking groups cutesy bear names, like “cozy” bear and “fancy” bear.
OPs name is likely a coincidence, but it could also be some russian enjoying themselves in the open. Dont take everything you read on social media at face value.
So you are saying that there is no difference between Biden and Trump on Gaza. So if it is something you care about then there is no point in voting for either.
Criticism of Biden is not an endorsement of Trump.
I agree. The person i replied to seems to think that any criticism of Biden is an endorsement of Trump. The only people who seem to want “mild” conservative policy are Democrats. No conservative voters are going to vote for a center-right (by American standards) Democrat over a Republican. Democrats need to offer an actual alternative, nit just toned down Republican talking points.
Has it? He was a senator for Decades because DuPont backed him, and he was Obama’s VP pick because he was from Pennsylvania originally. He ate absolute shit every time he ran in the Democratic presidental primary until 2020 where he coasted on Trump being the worst president in 100 years and his popularity as Obama’s VP.
I just mean (for bidens whole career) the democrats saying you have to vote for us because the other side is ten times worse.
It’s just that in this case the same old rhetoric shows the absolute disaster this idea is…. Vote for Biden because genocide is better than super sized genocide that Trump would bring
Also I am fairly certain Biden is from Delaware not Pennsylvania and Delaware is known for having awesome corporate sponsors, but that’s without me looking it up
The person i replied to seems to think that any criticism of Biden is an endorsement of Trump.
Biden should absolutely be criticised for the Palestine genocide and other things as needed. But that’s not what you did. You said you’d not vote for him which effectively supports Trump. If Trump had shown any indication that he’d handle this (or any important) issue any better, then sure, that could make sense. But this is just cutting everyone’s nose off to spite your face.
This is how Trump won last time. I know you can’t help yourself but please, just try to say nothing at all because this arrogant drivel is exactly why the Dems have trouble turning out their vote.
Al Jazeera has long been the best source for news on anything happening in the Middle East (aside from Qatar since that is who funds them). Thr sad truth if the matter is that Israel has been ethnically cleansing Palestine for the past 70 years and Western media has finally decided they can’t whitewash it anymore.
Hiram claimed that his troops felt in danger due to intelligence that Hamas had a network of tunnels under the university
You're fucking soldiers in a fucking war zone. You're always in danger, there is no way to be safe in a war. If you think that the enemy is upon you, you change your position—do you even tactic, wimps? Did you learn anything in your basic training, maggots? Fucking cowards, go back home and play counterstrike if you want to feel safe.
Yeah but what if instead you could just engage in monstrous “total war” and kill everyone around you, including men, women and children while destroying everything of any cultural, economic or social value?
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