The Palestinian Authority somehow took a more extreme position than both Hamas and the Israeli police.
The facts are that helicopters were used to indiscriminately target people in the kill zone and likely killed Israeli civilians, but the helicopters were by no means the only cause of casualties in Re’im. To claim that helicopters killed all 364 people doesn’t pass the sniff test.
Yeah, to us they’re hostages, sure. But if every citizen of the other nation happens to be a reservist after their gap year of service, they’re unarmed ‘enemy’ soldiers on extended leave.
I’m sure the answer is somewhere in the middle and can’t be so simply decided on the outside by people who sleep soundly at night.
If you’re a fellow American, please stop weighing in on this whole thing. We shouldn’t be propping up Israel to begin with. We shouldn’t be involved in this at all.
Our support of Israel was certainly factored into Hamas’s decision to escalate things. And the blowback we’ll get from unconditionally supporting Israel is completely, COMPLETELY predictable.
Covid gave us an opportunity to turn the page on the war on terror, and now our unwavering support for one side of this conflict is going to prompt some yahoo to commit something stupid, and start the war on terror up all over again.
There is no upside in supporting one side over the other in this one - we need to sit it out. Stop sending billions to Israel every year and providing a pretext for some sort of revenge attack on us. Saudi doesn’t care what we think anymore, OPEC is going to do whatever it wants.
The US foreign affairs community seems to be of the opinion that our involvement in Israel and its recognition by KSA or any other big player in the region is going to secure the status of the petrodollar. But de-dollarization is going to happen anyway, thanks to BRICS.
So we’ll continue to sell arms to Saudi Arabia while they continue to not supply us with enough oil to keep prices low, and we’ll continue to prop up Israel while they continue to piss off the entire region.
No major news organisation has been given the opportunity to verify this footage. As such it should be treated sceptically until verified independently. The IDF have already been caught editing and altering video evidence, as demonstrated by the BBC.
But lets say it is unedited and is verified. What does it show? It shows Hamas operatives taking two injured hostages into a hospital. That’s it. The IDF says "These findings prove that the Hamas terror organization used Shifa Hospital on the day of the massacre itself as terror infrastructure,”
Well, no, it doesn’t. It shows that some Hamas terrorists used the hospital…as a hospital e.g. they took injured hostages into it. Just because terrorists make use of a location’s facilities doesn’t necessarily mean there was an extensive command post in or under the location.
The IDF have yet to demonstrate or provide anything credible to back up their claim the hospital was an extensive command post.
“The latest video is not yet the evidence that’s been promised of the sort of vast and intricate operation depicted in a computer simulation which the IDF previously released showing what it believes any Hamas base underground at al-Shifa could look like.”
And do all those other hospitals offer identical and appropriate services? Because in my local area there are three hospitals, all offering differing types of services, meaning that depending on what I needed treatment for I would have to drive reasonably close to two of them, including emergency care.
This feels like a real stretch - that map you linked to - the straight line goes near (ish) two other hospitals, not five for example. Maybe the hostages didn’t require hospital treatment until they were in that area? Who knows? Your assigning meaning to actions based solely on your desire for it to be true, not on actual evidence.
But OK, lets say you’re right and they ignored all the other hospitals because their goal was that area in particular - how does that equate to that hospital being a major and extensive command post when literally nothing that’s been presented as evidence by the IDF demonstrates that opinion? Surely if it was then there’d be a lot more than a few random terrorists on those stills.
Let me put it another way - if three or four Hamas terrorists took thirsty hostages to a Starbucks, would you see that as definitive proof that that Starbucks is, or is on top of, an extensive Hamas command post?
At some point you’re going to need actual evidence, independently verified. Not just unexplained, unverified crap that could mean anything.
Good grief, do you really not understand that some hospitals offer different types of treatment to others???
Not all hospitals are set up for emergency treatment. Seriously.
But lets (once more) give you the benefit of the doubt and say all those hospitals are the same size and offer the exact treatment that that one does…how does that establish that hospital as a major command centre for Hamas? That’s the IDF’s rationale for attacking that hospital after all.
Look, I am not saying that hospital is a Hamas free zone, that no one form Hamas has ever been in it. I’m not even saying that it isn’t Hamas’ favoured hospital because of it’s location or maybe there are a few Hamas-friendly people on staff there. I mean, there is zero evidence for any of that but it’s a possibility, right? It’s also a possibility that you and the IDF are absolutely correct and it really is a major command centre for Hamas.
What I’m saying to you is that, based on what the IDF have presented as evidence - none of it verified, and that which has been examined revealed to have been altered/edited and all of it completely shorn of any context by which we might be able to make inferences - there’s pretty much nothing to suggest it is/was.
Not all hospitals are set up for emergency treatment. Seriously.
Hospitals in that part of the world aren’t organized by western standards. Besides which I doubt a hamas terrorist is thinking about a hospital’s quality of care, even if they knew it existed in the first place.
What I’m saying to you is that, based on what the IDF have presented as evidence - none of it verified, and that which has been examined revealed to have been altered/edited and all of it completely shorn of any context by which we might be able to make inferences - there’s pretty much nothing to suggest it is/was.
Hospitals in that part of the world aren’t organized by western standards.
I’m not suggesting they are. I’m simply suggesting to you that no two hospitals offer the same level of services, or even the same services.
Besides which I doubt a hamas terrorist is thinking about a hospital’s quality of care, even if they knew it existed in the first place.
I’m pretty sure that, aside from a medical professional, a terrorist is the ideal person to ask about the services a hospital is capable of delivering.
So I shouldn’t believe my lying eyes. I see
Your eyes aren’t what’s lying. You’re lying to yourself if you genuinely believe what the IDF have presented as incontrovertible proof isn’t very severely lacking in just about every respect. They’ve literally been caught doctoring video.
If the sides were reversed here…if a major hospital in Israel was being attacked and disabled by a vastly superior force and everyone in it either killed or forced to move because this force said a terrorist group had a major operational base there and they presented the exact same evidence as the IDF have, would you believe it then?
a major hospital in Israel was being attacked and disabled by a vastly superior force and everyone inal it either killed or forced to move because this force said a terrorist group had a major operational base there and they presented…
But, that’s not what happened. Israel took the hospital without harming anyone. Before that happened, they provided fuel for the hospitals generators which Hamas didn’t let them have. It stopped functioning as a hospital and the WHO shut it down.
If you genuinely believe that then us having this conversation is pointless. The IDF themselves confirmed they’d sent about 100 Commando’s and six tanks to the hospital which several days before had lost power and oxygen leading to multiple deaths. To spell it out to you, you send commandos and tanks to attack and intimidate, not have a pleasant chat.
The fuel thing - I have no idea who to believe at this point. There’s no verified evidence either claim is true or untrue.
I imagine they did, yet no one was hurt in the hospital.
Right, apart from the multiple deaths no one was hurt.
It’s funny. The video of Israelis delivering fuel was even on CNN. Must be my lying eyes again.
Yeah, I saw that too. Funnily enough, as I thought I was clear about, I wasn’t disputing they did. I was disputing why or how it was refused.
Anyway, after that interesting little side mission, lets get back to the point. if a major hospital in Israel was being attacked and disabled by a vastly superior force and everyone in it either killed or forced to move because this force said a terrorist group had a major operational base there and they presented the exact same evidence as the IDF have, would you believe it then?
The video of the guy holding a rocket launcher next to a different hospital? Israel lost me the moment they tampered with the evidence before news crews came. Wait no they lost me the moment they tried to convince us that that one calendar was a Hamas guard shift list.
A dead person near a hospital?!? Say it ain’t so doc, people can’t die at hospitals of all places. Everyone knows Dairy Queen is the place to take a hostage for medical care.
If a hostage is injured where would you take them? The supermarket? There’s a lot of odd shit going on but injured people taken to the hospital is not it.
Much smaller ones without trauma wards on the same par. They’ve been fighting a war with Israel for decades, they know which hospitals are the best and which ones have Israeli sympathizers as well. Why exactly they chose that hospital we do not know but what we can say is so far the evidence of a centre of gravity are extremely weak.
Ed: similarly they’ve shown one unbooby trapped, unguarded tunnel without tons of boot prints. And moreover the video is not off anything being cleared and has it’s location removed.
They’ve been fighting a war with Israel for decades, they know which hospitals are the best
They know which ones have the best access to their tunnel network.
It’s hilarious you’re trying to suggest they were taking people to the hospital altruisticly. That’s so far from reality it’s not even worth an argument.
It’s propaganda Israel has killed somewhere between 10 and 14 thousand by third party estimate?.. But yes we’re spreading propaganda with common sense a and third party verification. Sure.
It’s either the opening shots of a gazan genocide or an effective ethnic cleansing, pick your poison. Either way shitty murderous behavior that needs to stop.
It’s totally unfair, you know. Western audiences have been long conditioned to treat it as a sign of villainy when a dictatorial regime builds secret tunnels under innocuous civilian facilities to hide their terrorist warmongering and torture operations! Government propanganda sources like “James Bond” and “G.I. Joe” have conditioned Western audiences to believe that only the bad guys do that!
(Good guys build their secret underground facilities in places of astonishing natural beauty far from civilians who might be harmed by unexpected explosions.)
Hah apparently the spin is they were taken to the hospital for humanitarian reasons. After all the rape and murder the kidnappers decided to take their hostages to the hospital for treatment clearly under duress. Yep such nice guys. Definitely what they’d do.
“…they also had a Starbucks. It sucked,” the doctor added before grabbing his no-foam, no-whip, double soy latte with two pumps of vanilla and rushing out the door.
There’s a bunch of pro Palestinian accounts that all only post comments about the war and joined about the same time (not at Reddit API influx). The mods should ban clear propaganda accounts
I think mods should ban any account that argues points without reputable sources to back their claims. The amount of “they bombed hospitals” without evidence is pretty staggering.
You think little children dying as their blood drains away with their limbs blown away, or their life slowly fadding as their bodies are crushed by the rubble of what moments ago was their home or being burn through till their internal organs fail in complete total panic by a piece of burning white phosporous whose fire they cannot stopped, from a round that hit their schoolyard, is any better?!
Is them being arabic-speaking muslims that makes their horrible deaths acceptable in your eyes, even while the deaths of jewish hebrew speaking children are not?!
It’s really hard to see any other reason than the most disgustingly extreme psychopatic racism for somebody to justify the horrible murder of children using the murder of other children by people whose only relation is being from the same ethnic group.
You think little children dying as their blood drains away with their limbs blown away, or their life slowly fadding as their bodies are crushed by the rubble of what moments ago was their home or being burn through till their internal organs fail in complete total panic by a piece of burning white phosporous whose fire they cannot stopped, from a round that hit their schoolyard, is any better?!
Literally everyone thinks some kinds of deaths are better than others. Dying slowly and painfully due to someone’s maliciousness is generally considered among the worst.
You’re weird for trying to make this some sort of gotcha.
Literally only people very high in the sociopath end of the spectrum would think one gruesome kind of child murder justifies a different kind of gruesome child murder, to the point of using one to justify the other in an argument genuinelly believing other human beings will be swayed by that.
People in the normal human range within the sociopathy spectrum neither think “an eye for an eye” applies to the murdering of children - no matter the method used - nor think other people can be swayed to accept child murder by pointing out that child murders were commited by people only related to the former children by etnicity.
In fact normal people don’t even think one kind of child murder justifies the other kind of child murder even when the latter children have direct family relations to the murderers of the former.
You need to be quite the sociopath to merelly think somebody murdering children justifies killing their kids, and you need to be extremelly sociopathic to think somebody murdering children justifies killing kids of the same etnic group.
People whose psychological makeup is such that they trully believe child murder justifies child murder and, worse, that others think the same, need professional help, deseperatelly so.
Literally only people very high in the sociopath end of the spectrum would think one gruesome kind of child murder justifies a different kind of gruesome child murder,
A) this is quite incorrect
But more importantly
B) I never said anything justified anything
Perhaps engage with just a shred of intellectual honesty and good faith
And I’m pretty sure you don’t and also that it’s irrelevant given your options are hyperbole with one being almost benign and the other literally Fargo when those aren’t the options here nor are they what is happening in Gaza.
Again actual gaslighting with misogyny and the assumption I’m female. Love it. Point blank your argument is so shitty you can’t defend it, not won’t but literally can’t.
Good luck with the douchebag routine, maybe a read a book instead of trying and failing to stroke your ego.
Yes yes, my hand messes up because it’s going paralyzed, we went over this but at least this time your mocking something real and not inexpert opinion from an asshole.
Yeah being murdered with a hoe is definitely worse.
I actually brought this up with my elderly father at Thanksgiving lol. He thought it was hilarious that you went so berserk over it, and we came up with some of my comments together.
It was actually a really sweet little moment. I’m thankful for you.
So you’re just as much of a sad shitty person in real life, neat brag. No one has gone berserk I’m persistent, someone is running away and it certainly isn’t me.
I imagine none of it actually happened so sure, whatever you need bud.
Back to your shitty argument so if the the person bombed is beheaded by explosive is that than equal to or greater than this theoretical hoe beheading.
It’s weird to me that you value one human life over another. How many lives is a hoe beheading worth? Two, three? Ten? Because we’re at about 10x as many civilians casualties in Gaza. How many until Israel breaks even?
Similarly death by building, or explosive dismemberment notoriously not fast or painless.
That’s quite literally what you’re doing right now, we’re actively discussing it. I’m bad at math but goddamn homie you’d figure the guy on the high horse could figure out 1+1=2.
You want me to quote to you something that is two comments above this one? Egomaniacal and lazy, neat combo no wonder research is so difficult for you.
Again those weren’t the options bud, the comment you responded to specifically says slow and painful. You gloss over that fact because… You’re a bigot.
You think little children dying as their blood drains away with their limbs blown away, or their life slowly fadding as their bodies are crushed by the rubble of what moments ago was their home or being burn through till their internal organs fail in complete total panic by a piece of burning white phosporous whose fire they cannot stopped, from a round that hit their schoolyard, is any better?!
That’s because it a dumb bit of hyperbole from a loon that doesn’t understand how human bodies function.
Edit: but even still, us disagreeing on which is a worse death is not at all a discussion about the value of the life being taken. Someone dies in both instances - the value of human life is not being discussed at all.
That you think it is being discussed, and went so insane about it, is embarrassing. As I said before.
Ah another “crazy” person, everyone you deal with seems to be crazy huh? It’s not that maybe you’re a bigot. It’s not hyperbole, those things have objectively happened in Gaza during the conflict, Israel doesn’t deny it why do you.
It absolutely is, you were given two horrific examples of death and chose one over the other that’s giving them values.
relative worth, utility, or importance.
Someone dies in both instances - the value of human life is not being discussed at all.
It absolutely is being discussed, you just don’t see it because to do so would mean accepting that gazans are people not terrorists.
Again, bigoted insults, I do enjoy how easy you’re making proving your bigotry. What’s next another joke about my disability?
There are plenty of good ways to die. My daughter’s grandpa on her mom’s side got to choose how to pass and it was beautiful, surrounded by loved ones.
It would be great if we all got to make a choice and have it be easy.
Sounds like we agree on something, bigots do tend to be very petty people. I imagine so, bud but that’s not a metric of who will speak last. There’s no timelimit on response bud.
You’re a bigot at least be an honest bigot. An ashamed Nazi is still a Nazi after all.
Yes yes, because things I can show objectively are in my head. You want to try that again but be logical and make sense? No no, what you did was assume that being crushed by a building is painless and not terror inducing because you don’t value Palestinian life given your comments thus far.
You were given a situation. Ie. Crushed slowly under a building or beheaded by hoe and decided one is more valuable than the other. Words matter, context matters, actions matter and all of yours point to a bigoted outlook which is why you seem to equate Palestinians as terrorists, not people.
That’s not an explanation bud that’s a very obvious very pathetic dodge. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say you won’t explain it because it’s almost certainly very bigoted.
Then you’d be committing an ethical violation in calling me insane without physical observation. Guaranteed you are not a medical professional, I’m willing to bet you’re an actual factual child.
That’s your opinion Bud it’s also shitty deflection but do go on, the more you insist I’m crazy and refuse to stand by your argument the weaker you argument becomes.
It really hasn’t, it’s generic un geolocated video yet again and Israel is known to fake video. At the same time it’s not at all proof of their nonsense claims.
This would be more believable if the IDF, which has been searching the complex for days, had found anything of the sort. A major command and control base, supposedly accessible from places random employees can stumble upon, isn’t something you need days of intensive searching to reveal.
They blasted a hole through a garage floor to find a tunnel, that’s not a terror command center and not something a member of the hospital would stumble upon. If this was a big important storage and command site that random doctors would wander into, the troops there would have found it already by just opening doors.
These situations can still be reconciled. Perhaps this particular doctor had a habit of blasting holes in floors and had to be told not to do that under threat of being shot.
Again people lose sight of the fact that regardless of hamas actions, that doesn’t justify the killing of thousands of kids and families that are taking shelter in the hospital.
If anything, the medical staff and families are also hostages and they shouldn’t be killed either.
People kept arguing about the tunnel and the hospital ignoring the genocidal killing of Palestinians.
Tunnels or Hamas using the biggest and maybe only hospital Doesn’t justify the bombing of the hospital while people still getting treated from other bombing…
I mean, I read through what you posted and it literally never says Israel bombed hospitals.
HRW just cites a Tweet by “WHO in occupied Palestine” that is very non-specific while sounding specific.
The relevant bits from the Tweet used as the primary source by HRW:
“We are horrified at the latest reports of attacks on and in the vicinity of Al-Shifa Hospital, Al-Rantisi Naser Pediatric Hospital, Al-Quds Hospital, and others in Gaza city and northern Gaza, killing many, including children.”
“Over the past 36 days, WHO has recorded at least 137 attacks on health care in Gaza, resulting in 521 deaths and 686 injuries, including 16 deaths and 38 injuries of health workers on duty.”
If I thought I knew better from my seat in a chair what was going on in Gaza than the humanitarian organizations on the ground there then I would simply log off and touch grass.
Clearly you can’t even read or are mentally broken. The link above doesn’t say the hospital itself was bombed. Go to sleep, it must be late in the morning, tankie
I mean, when you are calling people liars because they don’t agree with you, especially when your own sources don’t support what you say, I’m pretty sure that’s a sign you need to log off and touch grass.
Is it possible Israel has bombed hospitals in Gaza? Certainly.
I disagree that saying someone is ignorant or that I would STFU if I was that ignorant is a personal attack. I also do not see how that is somehow more objectionable than lying about bombed civilians.
I haven’t received notifications for any of those other warnings as far as I can tell, the links in the log won’t actually load for me. I also stand by them and encourage everyone to check out my forbidden opinions. It’s hilarious that one of them is literally a single sentence of me asking a mod for clarification.
Btw, why is lying about murdered civilians fine but calling someone ignorant is beyond the pale?
Not all mods bother replying to comments they remove, I choose to because I believe transparency is an important part of moderation.
As to the question, engaging in personal attacks violates rule 5 in the sidebar (which I wrote BTW):
“Rule 5: Keep it civil. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (perjorative, perjorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (perjorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect!”
Ok, I understand that your stance is that ignorance is not a neutral statement of fact but a personal attack, and I do appreciate you replying unlike the last mod I asked that just deleted my comment without answering. Which I also had no idea about because I don’t monitor the mod log of every place I comment.
It’s just a really awful policy for the exact reason I’ve been underlining over and over: if polite lies about mass murder are fine and calling someone ignorant for saying heinous shit isn’t fine, you’re just creating an environment where impoliteness is worse than bigotry. And yeah I see the rules against that, doesn’t seem to be doing anything about the overt lie that hospitals haven’t been bombed.
“It’s the rules” is a terrible justification for leaving up lies about mass murdered civilians as long as they’re polite.
If the facts are on your side, I absolutely encourage you to refute incorrect information, just don’t attack the other user in the process.
“I’m sorry, you’re wrong. - Link.”
“Reality disagrees. - Link.”
That’s all cool.
Ad hominem attacks cross the line. When you start going after the other user, that’s a problem and we don’t want flamewar threads top to bottom. That’s why the rule exists.
If you don’t want flame wars then removing obvious flame bait–like lies about mass murdered civilians and hospitals not being bombed–would go a lot farther than deleting everyone that calls that shit what it is.
I’ve explained the mod position multiple times. It’s not up for debate. You’re now starting to shade over into a different form of disingenuous argument affectionately called “sealioning”.
If you want to run a community where it’s more offensive to say someone is ignorant than it is to lie about mass murdered civilians I’m not under the delusion that I can make you do anything else. Just don’t expect me to not say it’s a shitty policy or to ignore what it allows and what it doesn’t allow.
So the rule actually isn’t “don’t make personal attacks”, it’s “don’t tell the mods that their policies are bad.” Maybe you should add that to the sidebar.
I am very civilly pointing out that the idea hospitals haven’t been bombed is a disgusting piece of propaganda and someone who done even the bare minimum of reading non-IDF sources should know that. Personally I would feel more shame about lying about the deaths of civilians.
Hamas surrenders, releases hostages and it’s done. But Hamas is the one pushing this war and they’re using the suffering of their own people to push propaganda - and people like yourself support their efforts.
Put yourself in Hamas miltant shoe. Mostly now had lost family members, living since born in a prison, you cannot go to sea, or cross to Egypt or even other part of the country.
They’re going to die pointlessly regardless of what they do. While I disagree with what they’re doing. I can’t exactly fault them for feeling powerless and lashing out. When people have nothing to lose. They don’t care how much anyone else loses either. And the Israeli government has the largest part of the blame on this. They helped Hamas come to power and use them extensively to justify their genocide. They don’t want Hamas to stop.
Netanyahu’s own cabinet has literally said on video that Hamas is an asset to them. Those are the facts. Netanyahu and his ministers have also done a lot to help Hamas as well. Mind you, I’m not defending Hamas. Fuck hamas. Palestine is not Hamas however. Most the people living in Gaza never voted for Hamas. And don’t support Hamas. And would love to get rid of Hamas. But they don’t have the power to. The people that have the power to would rather come in and slaughter innocent citizens of Gaza under pretense of going after Hamas. Creating more Hamas and the process rather than actually getting rid of Hamas. These are the facts. Netanyahu’s government’s actions are indefensible.
When the so-called rescue response has killed multiple times more than the initial terror attack. It is a terror attack in its own right.
well if an ant bite kills your mom and you go and poison bomb the whole colony, then the surviving ants come bite and kill your dad. are you gonna just let the ants keep killing your family or are you gonna poison bomb the whole colony again
this is just an analogy (works for the nukes in japan too) at this point both sides are shitty and idek how to have a take about it anymore.
It is certainly better to kill Israeli soldiers than it is to not kill them. Peace has been tried for over 30 years, but Israel has refused. It’s about time Palestine started fighting back. Genociders do not listen to anything short of warfare and terrorism.
What genocide are you talking about? About the non-existent one against Palestine? How come they are under genocide when their population literally doubled over the last 70 years?
Can I ask you whether you support Hamas and their actions? Do you consider them terrorists?
Are you aware that Israel doesn’t need to literally kill every palestinian in order to succeed at genocide? Do you think the Holocaust wasn’t a genocide?
I don’t give a fuck about Hamas, Palestine should fight back against the genocidal state by any means necessary. Nothing Hamas has ever even been claimed to have done is worse than genocide, so criticizing them at all is a logical fallacy. If palestine thinks incorporating terrorism into their war effort is necessary, I’m not arrogant enough to claim I know better. Every repercussion of this war on both sides is the fault of Israel, just like was true of Nazi Germany.
I know that for genocide you don’t have to kill the whole population. Issue is that during the genocide, population goes down. During holocaust, 1/3 of the jews were killed and the population of jews was 30% smaller at the end of the genocide. This is not happening with Palestinians as their population literally doubled and there has never been a significant dip in their numbers. So no, Israel is not a genocidal state.
In the second paragraph you are finding excuses for Palestine for fighting genocide (why by the way doesn’t exist). Hamas is a terrorist organisation which does not care about Palestine at all. They are only capable of killing Jews, tying opposition to cars and dragging them around. They were also the ones who broke the ceasefire and made the population of Gaza so radical that no one wants to have anything with them. Even PLO rather stays away from Gaza. I am honestly shocked how can you support terrorism and blame Israel for everything. You also ignore the fact that Hamas is not Palestine.
So if Israel kills 2 million Palestinians, but elsewhere 3 million are born, that is still genocide. Also, source on their population going up? You mean like world wide or something? Certainly not in Gaza. No, Hamas did not violate a ceasefire. Laying seige to an open air prison for 20 years does not count as ceasing fire. Hamas attacked Israel in retaliation to them getting worse and worse.
Furthermore, Gaza is not Israel’s open air prison and it was Hamas who broke the ceasefire.
I honestly see no reason in this discussion when you keep inventing random facts and when you support terrorist organizations. This is truly unbelievable.
They haven’t killed them yet,but they very much intend to. If you’re not trolling, I highly suggest you do some research on this subject before speaking confidently on it. Basically everything you’ve said is incorrect. I can’t educate you to that degree in a couple comments. But if you are well meaning, and you can ditch your pro America/ pro imperialism bias, you will come to learn a lot about how the world works overall by doing a deep dive on this subject. But let me be very clear: Israel is the bad guy, and America is bad for supporting them. This is a fact. Genocide is always evil, no matter who is doing it.
Honestly it’s funny that you say I am wrong and pro-american but at the same time you are the one supporting terrorism and spreading complete bullshit. I don’t know who of us should educate themselves on the subject.
The land of Palestine is where it was when the borders of Israel were drawn in the 50s. Israel has expanded itself drastically since then, and most (all?) of that stolen land is Palestine.
Never heard of it before, but based on the summary, I assume he says some real wack job shit, alongside his factually correct points, such as America bringing 9/11 on itself. He’s right that when America targets civilians, they justify attacks like 9/11 in return.
“Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:
Because you attacked us and continue to attack us”. Yep, he is 100% correct.
He also blames interest on loans as core to America’s failings, which is honestly way more than I expected from him. Though, I figured out that capitalism is evil at like 25, while living inside capitalist propaganda, so it’s probably not that difficult to figure out. Not that interest is literally capitalism, but it’s a decent stand in for it that fits within his wack job religious message.
It’s an interesting comparison between 9/11 and the recent Hamas attack though. It’s not good that 9/11 happened, it just was wildly obvious that it eventually would. Meanwhile the exact opposite is true of the Hamas attack. It’s good to kill people genociding you, but I’m surprised it actually happened.
What? No. Osama also believes the sky is blue, does that make us all lunatics? If people say true things, it is intellectually dishonest to disagree with them. That is how brazenly obvious it is that capitalism is evil.
Sure, it’d pretty much have to be, right? Anything that isnt currently causing all of the world’s problems has a very low bar to clear, and if you think communism is the answer, Im not gonna disagree with you. What we replace capitalism with is much less important than the fact that we get rid of capitalism in the first place.
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