No, they committed 10/7 because they want to wage an endless war against Israel and wanted to show their backers they can throw a punch. They were hoping Hezbollah and others would back them, but they threw Hamas to the wolves.
That’s an interesting idea. Though i think we must not underestimate internal Gazans cause. The HAMAS is basically running anti PA military dictatorship in Gaza enforcing an islamist rule through corruption of lower echelon political actors. The only way they managed to remain in power despite basically defrauding the UN and the Red Cross is by spreading the narrative “hey, we are yout heroic liberators (and everyone who disobeys us is a ******* jew)”. Not that they’re like the nazis, by “liberation” they mean “genocide”.
The problem is that the HAMAS is… not very good at freeing Palestine. The only way they attacked Israel before is through rocket bombardment using 250$ ammo. Problem is that they never got out to fight Tsahal. However their authoritarianism only strengthen with time meaning HAMAS was very not freeing palestine and very much oppressing palestinians. So people started asking question about what the hell all that military budget and requisition were for. So they planned a “boots on the ground mission”. This was supposed to be a show of force to make them look good. I’d even believen advisors suggested this idea. Except the main issue with the HAMAS is that, to them, all this garbage we call “guerilla”, “civil defense”, “policing”, “resistance”, “show of force” means the exact same thing : good ol’ ethnic cleansing.
And an ethnic cleansing on a population of 7 000 000 000. Which means if you’re an israeli citizens, yoiu likely have connections, be it former classmates or extended family, to a victim of the attack. this did not help with the Israeli state of mind rigth afterwards. [](to show the world just how bad Israel can over-react) That’s exactly where I think they should have stopped being insane nazi islamist and read actual books. See I’m French, here we see U.S forces in WW2 as heroes, they are the “Libérateurs”, same for the Brits. You want to know what’s weird ? We do that, despite the fact the U.S.A.F sometimes entirely destoryed the wrong french cities. Yes that happen, for exemple in Royan. We know that, they killed our own peoples, the Liberation of France wa just american G.Is riding through France to enter Germany, but it doesn’t change our opinion. Why ? Because the Vichy Regime were a bunch of fascistic traitors whose stupid and submissive policies led us to this situation. Same thing for the IIIrd Reich who was occupying the country.
No one will side with the HAMAS, few will side with Gaza despite mainstream media broadcasting many pro-palestinian voices (because now that the war is on it’s cooler). Because people don’t like flat out ethnic cleansing and they especially dislikes when their perpetrators run countries
It’s a complicated history but even the Hamas Founding charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. The 2017 Revised charter accepts a Two-State Solution of the 1967 Borders. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised version. Hamas has committed atrocious acts, there’s no need to make things up about Hamas to show they’ve done terrible things.
Ending the occupation and having a Palestinian election for the Palestinian people to choose their own leadership is the way to diminish support for Hamas and other Armed resistance groups. Further terrorizing the West Bank and Gaza will only increase their support, which has been shown historically not only within the Occupied Palestinian Territories but throughout history.
The Blockade, described by the Israeli Defense Minister as a ‘total siege’ long before 2023, was a strategic decision in 2005.
Further terrorizing the West Bank and Gaza will only increase their support
That I can fully agree. As opposed to civilian movements and institutions, armed groups tend to survive warfare. Although I doubt those armed group would go quietly as pacification will have to go through a deconstruction and realisation of their atrocities. That means justice, and the armed group won’t like it so we must be ready to see them turn their violence against Gazans. Which they have already done in some way to impose their islamist doctrine. The blockade and especially its enforcement by lots of military forces was brutal and only provided target for the HAMAS to look “badass”. Again we see the deleterious effects of Israeli security policies to consider every form of threat as a sign they’re about to board the trains again. fun facts
Woman in the home of the fighting family, whether she is a mother or a sister, plays the most important role btw on that one, it might seem innocuous but that very sentence and the whole Article Eighteen means that the HAMAS do treat civilians, civilians lives and civilians activities as part of their combat operations. They are a military organization rrefusing to limit themselves to military matters. That is bad
I agree that no article of the 1988 charter states “time for Holocaust 2 : electric boogaloo” however :
peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement These conferences are only ways of setting the infidels in the land of the Moslems as arbitraters. When did the infidels do justice to the believers?
In face of the Jews’ usurpation of Palestine Article Twenty-Two: For a long time, the enemies have been planning, skillfully and with precision, for the achievement of what they have attained. They took into consideration the causes affecting the current of events. They strived to amass great and substantive material wealth which they devoted to the realisation of their dream. With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.
You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it.
Oh that’s why. Article 22 is pretty much a summary of the Protocols of the Elder of Zion, the document used to justify every antisemitic persecutions throughout the 20th century and the Holocaust. So they did not say they’re going to do it, though they use all the reference, all the concepts, and all the propaganda tactics of the one who did it before. I… don’t trust them Especially since reforms of the charter did not actually translate into any change or improvements in education or internal propaganda. Though fighting them only pushes them abroad only to come back right after. Right now we see that the HAMAS is already back at securing their political alliances by diverting aids towards their smaller political allies so they can resell it at high prices. All that hit won’t end HAMAS, even militarily speaking the current tactic is unlikely to work. It probably worked damn well to liberate Caen from the 12th SS Division in 1944 but the situation now is pretty different
It’s really bizarre if you compare the Lemmy comments with those on Reddit worldnews. The Reddit comments are generally pro Israël, some even banaly so (in the ‘they had it coming sand the deserve what they get’- territory).
In a forum there should be dissenting opinions, however those are downvoted to oblivion. It feels very weird, I’m reluctant to use the word astroturfing, but there’s a huge difference in the time of the discussion compared to a couple of years ago.
In lemmy votes don’t seem to matter that much, unless you’re viewing comments with the “Top” or “Controversial” sorting. But perhaps that’s a symptom of having not so many users.
Worldnews has always been the place where all the bad opinions and misinformed bullshit culminated. I remember threads with hundreds of first level comments all stating basically the same bullshit over and over again with no insight in sight
It is weird. The left leaning Canadian subreddit (r/onguardforthee) is generally pro Palestine but my city’s subreddit is generally pro Israel. I’ve been watching my city’s subreddit move right politically quite quickly.
Something I’ve noticed is that reddit as a whole seems to have gotten a lot more right wing since the whole API stuff. I’m not sure if it’s actually because of users leaving, or if moderation took a huge hit and it’s kind of snow balling into hateful commenting becoming normal.
I’m convinced the rightward swing is from people leaving. I imagine it’s a self-reinforcing feedback loop, too. I wouldn’t mind sometimes or even often being the underdog in a thread, as long as occasionally you could score a small win here or there. But when every comment is just going to get down voted to Hades, it becomes pointless.
It also just makes sense that people who are temperamentally conservative are both more likely to be politically conservative and be slower to abandon ship from a dying platform.
Nah, the reason is that for the past ten years, discussion have become more and more toxic. Reddit launched a campaign against GOP outlets a couple years ago. This was absolute bullshits mainly because they ardently protect PRC propaganda subs calling for genocide and crypto-fascist subs. And that’s without accounting for islamist, ultra nationalist etc. Mainly because US court will only care about garbage like promoting Jan 6 in term of hate speech. Things that relate to the US.
The thing is that our favorite left wingers at reddit are… usians, and like every left wing usians who isn’t racist, they are ethno centrist. When look for problematic subs I am certain they look for subs in english. I would even bet they only look at subs moderated and created from U.S or maybe Canadian territory. They catch some brits from time to time but speak Spanish and you can explain how a good thing it is to genocide the Yezidis.
So moderate people left, from both side of the political spectrum and now only insane people remain. But no problem said reddit ! We just have to market ourselves as a place of free speech allowing controversies.
You’d think so, but my city’s subreddit used to advocate for transit, better support for the homeless, healthcare etc and generally be very left leaning. They still are some of the time, but I’ve started seeing a lot of upvoted comments very literally calling for the implementation of drug use policies (ie death) from places like Saudi Arabia or the Philippines.
I guess it’s possible it’s part of the Western move right ward but it’s jarring. I get it, the city’s drug problem is at its current worst, but advocating for the actual murder of users is insane and I can’t believe comments like that are at the top of threads. Even just a year ago those comments would be downvoted out of existence
Reddit is a powerhouse of online discussion. It’s the perfect place for astroturfing. Not to mention, Reddit is so desperate to become profitable that they’re bragging about “we know everything about our users,” so it’s obvious they’re selling data to data brokers, they’re selling data to google for their AI and google did a cool little quid pro quo with them to boost Reddit results in google search…why not get in bed with opinion brokers?
I wouldn’t be surprised at all. In fact, I assume it.
Israel has an app where they post links to social media posts discussing Israel for app users to go astroturf. They take their propaganda very seriously. They have a word for propaganda targeting foreigners: “hasbara.” mepc.org/…/hasbara-and-control-narrative-element-…
I sometimes wonder if they’re just bad at it, so the astro turfing is obvious. The people posting have to be immersed in and understand the western site to blend in while remaining loyal to a very different kind of home communication and they often don’t manage it, and if they do that difference makes them stand out.
While we have dozens of western police show up in any discussion of police violence to explain that it’s really hard. Not even astroturfing, I think, just people being themselves. Aside from being obviously police their posting style blends in perfectly, if there were western astroturf campaigns I think they would blend perfectly and use much more subtle techniques
A lot of them aren’t people, they’re LLMs. And I don’t think the actual people doing it stand out to the average person. They’re not posting “death to America, Putin is amazing,” it’s much more subtle.
A common tactic is divide and conquer. They’ll support both extremes of a contentious political issue like abortion, gun violence, or policing.
Israeli work contacts flooding LinkedIn with their shit is one of the weirdest ways I see this online. It’s usually inappropriate to bring politics into the work sphere but in the days after the October attack, the business world came out in sympathy for Israel, as they should. The problem is that this was cemented as the only business friendly position from that point forward. Nowadays I see Israelis posting raw vitriol while everyone else is too timid to say anything except “we support Israel’s right to exist” or “we hope for peace in the Middle East” and other such fatuous trivialities.
Why is pro-Israel the only business friendly position? Simple. There aren’t any Palestinian startups. There are very few Palestinian CEOs.
“Ah yes the rtardd muslims can’t use propaganda It’s true because since they are in 1400 or something according to their calendar they haven’t discovered internet yet. I know it because I live Shitplaceville in Minnesota, US and therefore I know it because americans always know all the things”
“This is the truth, every woke american use -” Mate that’s exactly how you sound. Your opinion is literally “all those states do use propaganda but that one ? Nah thye don’t”. You are trying to explain us that the Iranian government doesn’t use propaganda ? That’s it, they just don’t. Why wouldn’t they ? Because they are nice ? You’re telling me the government that sends their political paramilitary to poison hundreds of high school girls is not only nice but also honest ? Somehow I hardly believe that.
And yes the part about how it sounds a little racist is indeed true because only the middle eastern dictatorship seems to still rely on posters and state newspapers for their propaganda while the white crazies are using internet.
Edit: Oh, you’re German. You know, the mistake y’all made in WWII wasn’t going against Jews. It was committing a genocide. The lesson to learn wasn’t: “Always support the Jews.” It was: “Always oppose genocide.” Not racial essentialism, but moral essentialism. Y’all just swapped out Aryan supremacy for Jewish supremacy. And now y’all are on the wrong side of a genocide once again.
(It’s not the first genocide America’s been on the wrong side of, either.)
don’t know why somebody would favor one of these two since they both commiting genocide…
what you responded :
wrong side of a genocide
“trust me bro I’m not a nazis”
P.S : please stop equating the entire palestinian populations and even worse the entire muslim population of the region to the wealthiest terrorist organization in the world running a military dictatorship based on corruption throught defrauding and stealing humanitarian aid. That’s kinda racist
I’ll assume you’re arguing in good faith. When I said “wrong side of a genocide” I was clearly referring to Germany as a country, not OP. You do know that Germany has filed in the ICJ on the side of Israel, right?
As to your comment regarding conflation of Palestinians with Hamas, I couldn’t agree more. But it’s Israel who is treating the entire population of Gaza like Hamas by depriving them of food, water, and medicine in a total siege while they indiscriminately bomb them.
Not really. If you’ve been on Reddit for more than a decade you really could see a cultural shift. Lemmy feels smaller and more filterable. If you curate your subscriptions and exclude more extreme Instances it’s quite all right.
Whenever I read Reddit outside of my niche subs it just feels almost distopian, is become a very weird place.
When I left reddit, I was subbed to like 30-50 subs, I only went on r/aspiememes despite most of my subs being about geopolitics and history because wherever I went there always were dude promoting genocide while all pretending to be from different side of the political spectrum
Yeah. I believe in the fediverse and really want to see it crush corporate social media, but I don’t even tell people I use it while there’s so much authoritarian propaganda on here.
The fact that some of the most prominent communities are on the garbage instance lemmy.ml is just wild.
I think there is a bit more dissenting opinions over here. At least they catch the eye more as the isn’t hundreds of comments. But even sorting by controversial doesn’t really help as the highly downvoted stuff is usually rather crass.
Meanwhile, civilians in Gaza endure a deepening humanitarian catastrophe. Law and order has broken down across the coastal enclave as Hamas’s civil control over northern Gaza and large swathes of the south has been ended.
I don’t think the problem is Hamas failing to provide “law and order” but Israel’s ongoing genocide that is causing the “deepening humanitarian catastrophe”.
Their supporters are 72% of Palestinians. That would be genocide. It’s not that simple.
Well it happend in the past with the Nazis, despite the large number of supporters for them the Allies attacked and as a german I must say it worked out pretty well for us.
We did kill a lot of them and a lot of them were supporters. By that time it was pretty much the whole country and the they stil decided to attack them.
I’m not saying that killing a lot of Hamas fighters and supporters is the solution, you also have to change things in Gaza drastically, like let them live and rule independently because this whole tyranny over them pushed the people into the arms of those degenerates of the Hamas. But having that much supporters should also not prevent us from fighting the Hamas.
I’m not sure there are realistic strategies for the region that would be similar. Who is going to take over administration of Gaza when Hamas is out? Israel is. Germans didn’t hate British people. They did not spend generations teaching their children that Americans were subhuman scum. Your average German was able to snap out of the delusion easily. You and I both know that isn’t a plausible reality in Gaza.
I’m not saying there is a need for genocide. But Hamas could agree to terms tomorrow and the war would end. Then it would start again. There can be no peace in that place. Not while both peoples live there. Maybe when Iran builds nukes? MAD is pretty high price to pay but it might sober everyone up a little. Hard pill to swallow.
No, they were using them as target practice like they did to my great grandfather. First they took him to concentration camp, then they took him and others to the forest to have some moving target practice. Thankfully he was able to run away and hide.
Sure, you can point to some urban warfare during WWII but for the most part it was maneuvering armies in the field. That’s where the big casualties were at.
Nonsense. There is always high civilian loss in urban areas. The level of loss is the only question. Here, the numbers come from Hamas, who admit that they add their fighters to the numbers. How many fighters? They claim not to know. Israel says that they killed 13,000 Hamas, so it’s the only number we have. So, of the around 30,000 deaths reported, 13,000 are actually Hamas. In a dense urban environment.
They are getting what they deserve then. October 7th was an atrocious terrorist attack. It was not an act of war, its victims were not legitimate targets of war. They were children, the elderly, and concert goers.
You think the ten year old who has been told his whole life that the highest purpose he can serve is to jihad against Israel deserves to be killed for it? What if he hasn’t even done anything?
Maybe you think he deserves death for his “crime”. I have a bit more empathy than that.
Adults giving material support is closer to what I meant. Sorry it’s been a long day. But for the adult Palestinians that actively took part in Oct 7, yes absolutely. Also for those that continue to use civilians as human shields, or use hospitals, mosques and schools as weapon caches.
What’s “material support”? Bread? Does giving bread to someone who hates Israel mean you deserve death?
What if the person encourages attacks on Israel? What if it’s a mother feeding her Hamas son who joined Hamas because the IDF shot his brother’s kneecap? Does that mother deserve death? What about the families of these other 42 palestinians?
I’m just curious how far this death by association should go.
Well on the ‘bright side’ this was in Jenin (West Bank). so not in Gaza.
It is a new story from today so details are not clear yet. It does make it more likely there are IDF soldiers disguising themselves as civilians in Gaza though.
Current story is the IDF killed three people, one person that was in the hospital for treatment and two people with him. They executed one man lying in a hospital bed. NSFL: More info and more graphic footage here
They probably thought they were playing in the movie Fauda looking how they were running through the corridors as if they were superspies instead of war-criminals.
Is there a particular reason why you keep linking to a “streamable” video instead of linking to the AlJazeera article clearly saying this about those 3 assassinated:
Hamas confirmed that Jalamneh was one of its members. The Jenin Brigade, which includes a number of Palestinian armed resistance groups, said in a statement that two of the three men were members of Islamic Jihad.
It’s irrelevant whether or not they were hamas. They could sit outside the doors and arrest them when they leave, but going into a hospital to kill people is literally the behavior of nazis.
It is relevant when a Hamas supporter keeps spamming on Lemmy that “3 Palestinians got murdered by Israel”, insinuating that 3 totally random civilians (“dudes” in his own terms) got killed. It is manipulation, disinformation and lying by omission.
There’s a reason why every reputable outlet, excluding AlJazeera which is clearly biased here and loves to editorialize the headlines (but even they admit it in the article), choose a headline that doesn’t exclude that crucial piece of information:
Osama Bin Laden wasn’t assassinated in a hospital bed by soldiers wearing civilian clothes. It’s a literal textbook case of a war crime, as in someone earlier brought up a document of examples of War crimes and wearing civilian clothes was in there lol.
Internal critics worry that the article is another “Caliphate”-level journalistic debacle. “There seems to be no self-awareness at the top,” said one frustrated Times editorial staffer. “The story deserved more fact-checking and much more reporting. All basic standards applied to countless other stories.”
The critics have highlighted major discrepancies in the accounts presented in the Times, subsequent public comments from the family of a major subject of the articleOpens in a new tab denouncing it, and comments from a key witnessOpens in a new tab seeming to contradict a claim attributed to him in the article.
Interesting how the world is so silent on the genocide clearly occuring in China and focusing on the fastest growing population in the world in Gaza.
Not saying one tragedy is greater than the other, just interested in how social media has influenced the behaviour of the younger generation. Ain’t too many pro Uyghur showing up on tik tok.
With hope, 2024 brings peace to gazans and Uyghurs. I’ve got a feeling it’s closer at hand for the gazans with Hamas on their heels but time will tell.
The Same reason anyone with cognitive dissonance goes to lengths to avoid reality. they might feel bad about their worldview, might have to synergize this information with the part of their identity they hitched to hamas for some reason.
On October 7, Hamas (as well as random Gazan “civilians”) murdered hundreds of Israeli civilians in their homes (including children), raped women and took hundreds of hostages…but THIS is fake?
Hamas then sold the three kidnapped Bibas family members (a 9 month old, a 4 year old, and their mother) to the PFLP after the kidnapping. Hamas has said that there will be three dead bodies returned today as part of the swap. And yet you think this is “fake”?
Certainly not by body count, or the amount of territory seized from civilians. Or the number of dead journalists specifically.
Just because they’re sanctioned by an internationally recognized government doesn’t change what they’ve done. Including smuggling money and resources to these terrible people. The government that ensured the success of terrorists to further political narratives are in fact more terrible than the terrorists they enable.
It helps if you immerse yourself in the semantic sanitation that’s been going around. Just observe the latest push to correlate Israel prisoners and hamas hostages as one in the same. It would be easy to skew an uncritical mind to conclusions as off as that.
Edit: why, here comes a hamas water carrier right now
The prisoners that mostly don’t even have charges levied against them? I wonder why people would compare an act of illegal imprisonment with another instance of illegal imprisonment?
Your mind doesn’t sound as critical as you seem to think.
What you’re describing is administrative detention. Don’t like administrative detention? Take it up with the Fourth Geneva Convention, where it is explicitly permitted under Article 78.
And let’s not try to equate “children” like Marah Bechir and Kfir Bibas. Marah Bechir was tried and convicted of stabbing a policeman when she was 16. She was sentenced to 8.5 years. Kfir Bibas was a 9-month old baby that Hamas kidnapped and either killed or allowed to die. Marah Bechir will be released in exchange for 1/3rd of a civilian hostage. She will be lauded as a hero in Palestinian society when she returns home.
It really is insane how al Jazeera, state news of Qatar, hosts of hamas leadership, is on the front page here all the time. The only excuse being some variation of “They’re more unbiased than mainstream media”. Why not throw RT up there? Feels like I’m taking crazy pills.
You’re on Lemmy obfuscating the fact that Israel has a PR department that puts editorial pressure on most news organizations. Much like Russia they also have groups like Hasbara astroturfing online discussions, this is all self admitted by the government.
So by your logic we shouldn’t trust any news.
Every news source has bias and it’s a sign of a critical thinker to avoid ad hominem and look at the substance of what’s being reported. Especially when there’s already proof out there that the Israeli government has lied in the past to justify actions taken against Palestinians at large.
You’re on Lemmy obfuscating the fact that Israel has a PR department that puts editorial pressure on most news organizations.
I'm not obfuscating that at all.
Every news source has bias and it’s a sign of a critical thinker to avoid ad hominem and look at the substance of what’s being reported. Especially when there’s already proof out there that the Israeli government has lied in the past to justify actions taken against Palestinians at large.
As a modern, western country that is accountable to both its allies and public opinion, I find Israeli reports to be far more credible. According to the World Press Freedom index, Israel (97th) affords reporters more journalistic freedoms than Palestine (156th) does.
Many Israeli journalists are independent and go against the narrative, recently Haaretz got in trouble with the Israeli government for reporting on the situation in a way they did not like, so it's odd you lump all Israeli media together.
As for official government reports like from IDF, there's a lot more consequences for them getting caught in a lie than Hamas. The IDF bothers to share footage and evidence to support its claims. Information from Hamas is far more dubious.
So by your logic we shouldn’t trust any news.
By my logic one should be skeptical, read multiple sources, and discard sources that act in constant bad faith, not distrust all news.
Since you want to be obtuse I’ll specify that I’m referring to state affiliated media. You also skipped right past the fact that the Israeli government has self admitted that they have a whole department dedicated to controlling the narrative internationally. Following this with saying how credible you think those government reports are says a lot about your credulity.
Israeli state media and state associated media has been caught lying and framing information in manipulative ways. You’re trusting Israeli reports after they lied about targeting journalists and to this day still can’t show a Hamas base under Al-Shifa? Sounds like you’re unaware of your own bias in that regard.
Furthermore, the idea that they face consequences for their lies is laughable. They lied about the USS Liberty and paid a fraction of the money the US supplies them with every year. They lied about sniping journalists and faced no consequences. They can’t prove that Hamas was under Al-Shifa after leveling the place.
And thanks for bringing up the Israeli news organizations that are intellectually honest. They’ve done great reporting on the lies used by Netanyahu’s coalition to push their official narrative.
By my logic one should be skeptical, read multiple sources, and discard sources that act in constant bad faith, not distrust all news.
You can’t say that honestly after disparaging Al Jazeera and praising “Israeli reports to be far more credible” when it’s common knowledge that the Israeli government lies constantly about this issue.
Despite your admission on how universal bias can be you don’t seem that interested in challenging your own.
You have to see this is the exact same excuse I brought up as an example. I know al Jazeera does good work, but anyone with an overhead view could see they have a bias and a half with these particular actors; one large enough they shouldn’t be repeated here as often and as uncritical as I have seen.
So they have a bias, every news source has a bias. That does not mean they’re not a good source of news worthy of being here, because to reiterate they are globally one of the best.
And let’s be real, they’re far above the Israeli tabloid trash that attempts to get spammed here by whatever astroturfers keep pushing that propaganda.
I’m sure this is fake. Hamas is terrible but they are not as cruel as Israel lol
You are defending monsters.
Watch this bloody uncensored Oct 7 footage. Hamas exhibits mediaeval levels of cruelty. They shoot random civilians, dogs, people trying to surrender with their hands up, men, women, the elderly... why not children?
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