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tallwookie , to worldnews in Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat
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the ukrainian war is as much a war for freedom from russian influence (for ukraine) as it is a proxy war against russia (for america/the west).

linkhidalgogato , to worldnews in Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat

damn lots of libs here on some serious copium

Varyk , (edited ) to worldnews in Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat

Pppffff in what world is resisting an invasion by a much larger country with a larger military for over a year, a defeat? Even if Ukraine settles, they won this war.

atlasraven31 , (edited ) to worldnews in Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat

Last I read, Ukraine was switching to new and better weapons and Russia was resorting to older tanks and pensioners. I’ve never heard of anyone winning a war with last centuries’ weapons.

freagle , to worldnews in Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat

I love how it ends with a discussion of how evil emperor Xi will be gloating in his crystal palace as he plots his imperialist take over of the indo-pacfic…

The same Indo-Pacific that actual imperialists, like the UK, France, US, Holland, Portugal, Spain, and yes, even Japan, actually took over, dominated, colonized, genocided, war crimed, and broke. The same region that is still trying to recover from the long military occupations and the continuous imperialism of the North Atlantic that still to this day makes it nearly impossible for its inhabitants to govern themselves, develop their nations, and reestablish their cultures after suffering massive and extended disruption.

But, it’s Xi that’s the imperialist for daring to say the US and other North Atlantians shouldn’t be occupying, infiltrating, extracting, and spoiling the region, that war ships constantly patrolling the Indo-Pacific isn’t merely inappropriate but actually must stop for the region to be able to develop itself independently.

ninjan ,

I’m with you until that last sentence. Letting China dominate the region for untold years is not a solution. I’m not saying the US or the “North Atlantians” are angles, no one is. But I strongly believe the correct choice of action is always going to be to maintain peace if at all possible. And currently it is by deterring China from taking Taiwan and growing their sphere of influence in violent ways.

freagle ,

LOL. Maintaining peace? Like the East Turkistan project of training terrorists? Like collective punishment through sanctions? Like organizing coups, funding violent right-wing movements, assassinating political leaders? These are literally things the US has done in just the last 5 years.

The North Atlantians are literally global belligerents. They have been for 500 years, non stop. They have killed hundreds of millions of people to fuel and maintain their expansion and dominance.

The world needs to contain the North Atlantic and stop their reign of terror. Not the other way around.

ninjan ,

Not arguing against that. But guaranteeing the freedom of Taiwan is a good thing. And for that to be effective/credible you must have a military presence. Very little is black and white.

freagle ,

No, guaranteeing the freedom of Taiwan is not a good thing. You clearly have no idea of the history and politics at work.

Imagine the Confederacy, supported by France and England, managed to flee to Galveston Island off the coast of Texas. Imagine there were still Native American tribes there. Imagine the Confederates, mostly of Scottish, English, and French origin, killed most of the native people living on the island and set about building a Confederate society there that they could use to eventually attack the Union again. Imagine the Union wants to go after and get final surrender from the Confederacy, but the English and the French being their war boats in to intervene, negotiate with the Confederacy, arm them, offer them protection, and then spend decades building them up as a legitimate alternative to the Union, building their economy, arming and training them, and propagandizing them and the whole world.

That’s Taiwan. Will get incorporated into mainland China. It has to. It’s a security threat otherwise, because it’s only reason for existence as a separate entity is literally for war. And the existential belligerent enemies of China are using Taiwan to advance their belligerence. Worse, the belligerent North Atlantians are willing to send every person on Taiwan into a meat grinder if it means weakening China and advancing North Atlantic goals.

Your position is built entirely on propaganda, false beliefs, and ignorance.

ATQ ,

This is a lot of words and still you completely botch the analogy. Instead, you might suppose that the Confederacy had prevailed in their rebellion and that the democratically elected President Lincoln and the remaining Northern army had fled.

In reality, the government of Taiwan is the real “China”. Mainland Taiwan is populated by angry traitors.

Your position is built entirely on propaganda, false beliefs, and ignorance.

😂🤣😂 Classic. I’d link you to the Wikipedia article for your own education, but I’m sure that’s blocked for you.

freagle ,

Holy shit you’re full of propaganda. Dude, I am a white settler colonist born and raised in America. Read some fucking Chinese history. The Kuomintang lost the civil war. It doesn’t matter who you agree with or who you think the traitors are. The civil war was fought and won. And if you want to figure out “who the baddies were” just look at who the Europeans supported. Because the Europeans clearly demonstrated over 200 years that their interests are diametrically opposed to the Chinese people.

Who did the Europeans support?

ATQ ,

Just because you say it louder and more desperately doesn’t make it true 😂🤣🤣.

The civil war was fought and won.

I’m glad you feel that way. Because, by your own rule of might Taiwan is an independent country since mainland Taiwan can’t take the island. It’s been 75 years. The war is over. Get over it. You lost. Taiwans sovereignty has been decided and must be protected.

Anyway, best of luck in your future astroturfing endeavors. Maybe try and do better than impotent threats and accusations.

freagle ,

Ok

ksynwa ,
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In reality, the government of Taiwan is the real “China”. Mainland Taiwan is populated by angry traitors.

On what basis are you claiming this?

GiuseppeAndTheYeti , to worldnews in Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat

This article has no other reasoning for negotiated concessions becoming the more likely outcome other than, “winter is coming”. This is just a doom reader fluff piece.

Ukraine is losing less men in their counter offensive than when they were defending the front, are receiving more weaponry and ammunition than ever before, and have been training on western military hardware for months that is soon to hit the battlefield. Sure the winter is going to slow Ukrainian advance, but this isn’t the 1940’s. Artillery, air support, and mortars can all reach further than ever before with near pinpoint accuracy.

Phantom_Engineer ,
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Telegraph does like their doom reader fluff pieces.

Can_you_change_your_username ,

Also Russia has no experience advantage in dealing with their winter vs. Ukraine. Russian winter was an issue for France and Germany in large part because they didn't understand what they were dealing with. It's Ukraine's home turf. They know what winter means for them and are prepared for it.

Hillock , to worldnews in Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat

I think that article is mostly clickbait. So much speculation going on and the comparison to Afghanistan is such a stretch. There is no sign of war exhaustion in the west. People might lose interest in following the conflict because it slowed down but Russia is such a big enemy in the minds of people that sending more equipment can go on for decades before voices grow to stop it.

And the fear that any peace that Putin can celebrate as a victory would only be a temporary peace is still very imbedded into the mind of many Europeans.

Chup ,

The title is total clickbait but the article is more thinking of theoretical options of events to come. E.g. how the end(s) of the war could look like.

Petr Pavel, Czech president & former general, already stated that at the end of the year, the window of opportunity might be closed for Ukraine and Ukraine should try to gain as much ground as possible before the winter. Not because of the weather, but because of elections coming in Russia, the USA and Ukraine in 2024.

news.sky.com/…/ukraine-has-window-of-opportunity-…

Not even talking about the possible election outcomes and possible consequences for the war, already the election campaigns with their goals, promises, propaganda and unique selling points might have influence on the events and further planning. Just imagine Trump (or successor) starting a new mesh of lies and getting supported by Putin, which will get soaked up by their followers and complicate support by the USA - the largest military supporter of Ukraine so far.

APassenger ,

Trump can fuck off to jail. I’d like to see him tried for treason.

DeSantis has shown he’s a non-starter.

At this point they’re hoping for a dark horse pro-retreat candidate.

atlasraven31 ,

The best case scenario for Putin would put him in an inevitable and unwinnable war with NATO.

erin , to worldnews in Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat
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“Never sell the bear’s skin before one has killed the beast.”

dystop , to worldnews in Belarus abducts thousands of Ukrainian children
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Putin puppet speedrun any% challenge

CaptainComrade , to world in UK ‘has abandoned’ British-Nigerian activist held in ‘filthy, windowless cell’

That sounds exactly like the British Government honestly. Honestly it sounds like something they’d happily allow

aesopjah , to technology in Supercomputer makes calculations in blink of an eye that take rivals 47 years

“This is a very nice demonstration of quantum advantage. While a great achievement academically, the algorithm used does not really have real world practical applications though."

On the cusp of a new era

CAPSLOCKFTW , to technology in Supercomputer makes calculations in blink of an eye that take rivals 47 years

Quantum computing is mostly a hoax. At least how it is presented to investors and the public. Quantum Computers will maybe be capable of solving a very small set of problems much more efficiently than regular computers, most of these problems aren’t of any parctical importance. It is a massive (financial) bubble that is going to burst soon.

OmnipotentEntity ,
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most of these problems aren’t of any parctical importance.

Well sure, but one of them is extremely important. Factoring integers rapidly is very useful, even if it completely destroys one of the most important encryption algorithms.

CAPSLOCKFTW ,

Yes, but there are already algorithms which can replace it.

localhost ,

They can replace them going forward. A major issue is that many governments (and likely other malicious actors) have been hoarding encrypted communication in hopes of accessing it once sufficiently big quantum computer emerges.

derbis ,

I am wondering why we are waiting, if it’s an inevitability

OmnipotentEntity ,
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Because security is still a big deal. There are post quantum algorithms, but there are similar post quantum algorithms that have been proven to be flawed. It’s important to allow technology like this to mature prior to adoption.

CanadaPlus ,

“Hoax” makes it sound like the involved scientists aren’t shouting this from the damn rooftops.

The economically important problems they beat are breaking encryption (actually counterproductive) and simulating other quantum systems (like reacting molecules, which could be useful). There’s other neat tricks they can do but they’re underwhelming to anybody who’s not a technical person, and it’s possible we’ll discover more substantially impactful algorithms but it’s hard so don’t hold your breath.

shanghaibebop ,

That’s a bit of a broad strike no? That’s like saying the invention of the modern computing is mostly a “hoax”, all they are capable of doing is adding numbers together faster than a human.

We already know we can transform certain problems that are computationally expensive to be solved by quantum computers. I’m sure more Algorithms can be developed to take advantage of that in the future as well.

jarfil , to technology in Supercomputer makes calculations in blink of an eye that take rivals 47 years

From the article:

A paper from researchers at Google published online claims that the company’s latest technology is “beyond the capabilities of existing classical supercomputers”.

Where is the paper? That link points to another news from The Telegraph about oil… WTF?

Based on just the 70 qubits mentioned in the article, and that running Shor’s algorithm on RSA 2048 would require north of 4096 “perfect qubits”, or about a couple dozen million “physical qubits”… it doesn’t sound like they’ve done much.

CanadaPlus , to technology in Supercomputer makes calculations in blink of an eye that take rivals 47 years

Alternate headline: Supercomputer makes specially tailored, useless calculations in blink of an eye that would take classical computer rivals 47 years if they tried it for some strange reason

Ah, the Telegraph.

SkyeStarfall ,

It’s not a good title, but it is an interesting result. A synthetic benchmark is useful in knowing the theoretical maximum speedup that is possible, and whether it is worth exploring further.

CanadaPlus ,

It’s really not, though. We know how quantum computation works. We don’t know what it’s capable of in full, but that discussion will happen on proverbial blackboards, not chips.

What this is is a marketing stunt.

burrp , to technology in Supercomputer makes calculations in blink of an eye that take rivals 47 years
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This device should be seized and destroyed. Google have constructed a weapon.

Lost_Wanderer ,

Let it fold proteins and do space traveling calculations. Smashing tech is very Luditte

burrp ,
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You trust Google to use quantum tech for purely scientific pursuits?

Lost_Wanderer ,

I don’t immediately distrust technology, like a moron.

burrp ,
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Keep it civil.

My distrust is in Google, not technology.

Pseu ,

As a 70-qubit quantum computer, it’s not going to be doing many helpful calculations. The benchmark used is random circuit sampling, which is doing a bunch of random quantum operations, and then reading the result, and it is compared to a supercomputer simulating the various random operations. This algorithm isn’t useful outside of benchmarking.

This also makes Sycamore a particularly ineffective “weapon” considering that we don’t really use encryption that’s less than 1024 bits, which is well outside of the capability of our current quantum computers.

00 ,
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As a 70-qubit quantum computer

Its cool to see that lemmy/kbin have such a diverse user base

user224 ,

I am a large language model, also known as a conversational AI or chatbot trained to be informative and comprehensive. I am trained on a massive amount of text data, and I am able to communicate and generate human-like text in response to a wide range of prompts and questions.

00 ,
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I was expecting you to call yourself a sentient multi-zettaflop quantum frame or something.

Thalestr ,
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Correction: Google should be seized and destroyed.

Pseu ,

It’s a 70-qubit quantum computer. It doesn’t have enough memory to break even rudimentary 128-bit encryption.

The algorithm that it executed was also not Shor’s algorithm (the one that could potentially break encryption). The benchmark used is called random circuit sampling, which is just doing a bunch of random quantum operations between pairs of qubits and then reading the output. It’s one of the fastest quantum speedups of any known algorithm.

argv_minus_one ,

“128-bit” usually refers to symmetric encryption, which is not broken by Shor’s algorithm. 4096-bit RSA is what Shor’s algorithm needs to break, and it’s going to take a lot more than 70 qubits to do that. Like, two orders of magnitude more.

SkyeStarfall ,

If not google then someone else will

Quantum computers have the potential to revolutionize medicine, not just crack encryption. It’s better to develop it than not.

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