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freagle , to worldnews in Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat

I love how it ends with a discussion of how evil emperor Xi will be gloating in his crystal palace as he plots his imperialist take over of the indo-pacfic…

The same Indo-Pacific that actual imperialists, like the UK, France, US, Holland, Portugal, Spain, and yes, even Japan, actually took over, dominated, colonized, genocided, war crimed, and broke. The same region that is still trying to recover from the long military occupations and the continuous imperialism of the North Atlantic that still to this day makes it nearly impossible for its inhabitants to govern themselves, develop their nations, and reestablish their cultures after suffering massive and extended disruption.

But, it’s Xi that’s the imperialist for daring to say the US and other North Atlantians shouldn’t be occupying, infiltrating, extracting, and spoiling the region, that war ships constantly patrolling the Indo-Pacific isn’t merely inappropriate but actually must stop for the region to be able to develop itself independently.

ninjan ,

I’m with you until that last sentence. Letting China dominate the region for untold years is not a solution. I’m not saying the US or the “North Atlantians” are angles, no one is. But I strongly believe the correct choice of action is always going to be to maintain peace if at all possible. And currently it is by deterring China from taking Taiwan and growing their sphere of influence in violent ways.

freagle ,

LOL. Maintaining peace? Like the East Turkistan project of training terrorists? Like collective punishment through sanctions? Like organizing coups, funding violent right-wing movements, assassinating political leaders? These are literally things the US has done in just the last 5 years.

The North Atlantians are literally global belligerents. They have been for 500 years, non stop. They have killed hundreds of millions of people to fuel and maintain their expansion and dominance.

The world needs to contain the North Atlantic and stop their reign of terror. Not the other way around.

ninjan ,

Not arguing against that. But guaranteeing the freedom of Taiwan is a good thing. And for that to be effective/credible you must have a military presence. Very little is black and white.

freagle ,

No, guaranteeing the freedom of Taiwan is not a good thing. You clearly have no idea of the history and politics at work.

Imagine the Confederacy, supported by France and England, managed to flee to Galveston Island off the coast of Texas. Imagine there were still Native American tribes there. Imagine the Confederates, mostly of Scottish, English, and French origin, killed most of the native people living on the island and set about building a Confederate society there that they could use to eventually attack the Union again. Imagine the Union wants to go after and get final surrender from the Confederacy, but the English and the French being their war boats in to intervene, negotiate with the Confederacy, arm them, offer them protection, and then spend decades building them up as a legitimate alternative to the Union, building their economy, arming and training them, and propagandizing them and the whole world.

That’s Taiwan. Will get incorporated into mainland China. It has to. It’s a security threat otherwise, because it’s only reason for existence as a separate entity is literally for war. And the existential belligerent enemies of China are using Taiwan to advance their belligerence. Worse, the belligerent North Atlantians are willing to send every person on Taiwan into a meat grinder if it means weakening China and advancing North Atlantic goals.

Your position is built entirely on propaganda, false beliefs, and ignorance.

ATQ ,

This is a lot of words and still you completely botch the analogy. Instead, you might suppose that the Confederacy had prevailed in their rebellion and that the democratically elected President Lincoln and the remaining Northern army had fled.

In reality, the government of Taiwan is the real “China”. Mainland Taiwan is populated by angry traitors.

Your position is built entirely on propaganda, false beliefs, and ignorance.

😂🤣😂 Classic. I’d link you to the Wikipedia article for your own education, but I’m sure that’s blocked for you.

freagle ,

Holy shit you’re full of propaganda. Dude, I am a white settler colonist born and raised in America. Read some fucking Chinese history. The Kuomintang lost the civil war. It doesn’t matter who you agree with or who you think the traitors are. The civil war was fought and won. And if you want to figure out “who the baddies were” just look at who the Europeans supported. Because the Europeans clearly demonstrated over 200 years that their interests are diametrically opposed to the Chinese people.

Who did the Europeans support?

ATQ ,

Just because you say it louder and more desperately doesn’t make it true 😂🤣🤣.

The civil war was fought and won.

I’m glad you feel that way. Because, by your own rule of might Taiwan is an independent country since mainland Taiwan can’t take the island. It’s been 75 years. The war is over. Get over it. You lost. Taiwans sovereignty has been decided and must be protected.

Anyway, best of luck in your future astroturfing endeavors. Maybe try and do better than impotent threats and accusations.

freagle ,

Ok

ksynwa ,
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In reality, the government of Taiwan is the real “China”. Mainland Taiwan is populated by angry traitors.

On what basis are you claiming this?

Veraticus , to worldnews in University professor ‘told to inflate grades of hispanic and black students’
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magnor ,
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This. Let’s not bandy propaganda as news.

Vendetta9076 ,
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Yeah people see their favourite colour and suddenly pretend no news can be biased.

kabe ,
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This article itself is pretty factual, to be fair. All the quotes are taken verbatim from the lawsuit, which you can read here:

www.fairforall.org/…/Zach-De-Piero-Complaint.pdf

That doesn’t mean that De Peiro’s claims are true, of course, but the Telegraph does appear to have reported them accurately.

magnor ,
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The fact that they chose to report those claims in itself is part of their bias. Those kind of stories will always pop up if you give certain people platforms. Factual journalism would have required investigating the credibility of the claims before broadcasting them to the world.

kabe ,
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No, it wouldn’t. Journalists report on the content of upcoming lawsuits all the time. It’s up for the law courts to decided the validity of legal claims being made, not the media.

magnor ,
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There are millions lawsuits in the US being filed every year. A certain number are absolute nonsense. Filing a lawsuit does not mean jack in and of itself and as such should not be reported on unless elements of credibility can at the very least be ascertained.

The courts will decide based on their own data and laws, but that does not mean journalists should not verify if the information they are broadcasting has at the very least a shred of credibility. Else you are just picking and choosing propaganda to broadcast.

Veraticus , (edited )
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Why do you believe it’s factual simply from reading the complaint? The Daily Telegraph does no follow-ups, interviews, or fact-checking (what we in the business might call “journalism”). It simply reports on the complaint and cowardly allows you to draw your own conclusions.

So we must ask: why did a right-wing propaganda outlet report this so uncritically? They have a well-established lack of interest in journalism. So what purpose was served by publishing this article and in this way?

This is why I posted it’s a bad source, and this is the problem with bad sources. Even the “factual” articles they publish are purposefully misleading at best… and total misrepresentations at worst.

kabe ,
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It’s factual because it accurately reported the claims made in the lawsuit. Journalists do this all the time.

Obviously the Telegraph chose to publish this story because it appeals to the political leanings of their readership, but virtually all newspapers do that to a certain degree.

It seems you have fallen into the trap of automatically dismissing the source/article as “propaganda” because its political viewpoint differs from your own.

Veraticus ,
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Journalists do this all the time.

No, bad sources do this all the time. Actual journalists from good sources do things like:

  • Interview people!
  • Check sources and their reputability!
  • Discover facts!

Has any of that been done here? Why do you suppose not?

Obviously the Telegraph chose to publish this story because it appeals to the political leanings of their readership, but virtually all newspapers do that to a certain degree.

Because some sources are biased, we must accept a source as massively and obviously biased as the Daily Telegraph? Take your flimsy equivocation fallacies elsewhere. We can draw a line, and that line should certainly exclude places as bad as the Daily Telegraph.

It seems you have fallen into the trap of automatically dismissing the source/article as “propaganda” because its political viewpoint differs from your own.

No… I’m dismissing it because the Daily Telegraph is a bad source and it only publishes articles to serve its own purposes, which have nothing to do with truth or facts. Its political leanings are obviously horrible and idiotic but have nothing to do with the simple fact that they are a bad source.

kabe ,
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If you think journalists routinely delve into extensive, detailed investigations based off a simple press release then I would say you’ve been watching too many movies.

I somehow doubt that you hold media sources that align with your own political persuasions to such exacting scrutiny.

Veraticus ,
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Did I say anything about an extensive, detailed investigation? Does it appear they did literally any work, even up to and including picking up the nearest telephone and calling… well, basically anyone?

(Here’s a secret, me to you; I bet they did do that and they didn’t like what they uncovered. It’s okay though, they decided not to publish it.)

Not sure what sources I consume have anything to do with the quality of the Daily Telegraph. If I got my daily news from Sesame Street, would that suddenly make the Daily Telegraph an acceptable source?

stopthatgirl7 , to worldnews in University professor ‘told to inflate grades of hispanic and black students’
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he alleges he was targeted by a bullying and harassment complaint and lower performance reviews.

…Yeah, dude seems sus. Sounds like he’s mad at the school because they cracked down on his own racism.

Veraticus ,
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Right? Also this:

The filing claims he was told to attend “anti-racist workshops” and it was suggested he might have mental health issues.

Talk about burying the lede.

tallwookie , to worldnews in Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat
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the ukrainian war is as much a war for freedom from russian influence (for ukraine) as it is a proxy war against russia (for america/the west).

GiuseppeAndTheYeti , to worldnews in Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat

This article has no other reasoning for negotiated concessions becoming the more likely outcome other than, “winter is coming”. This is just a doom reader fluff piece.

Ukraine is losing less men in their counter offensive than when they were defending the front, are receiving more weaponry and ammunition than ever before, and have been training on western military hardware for months that is soon to hit the battlefield. Sure the winter is going to slow Ukrainian advance, but this isn’t the 1940’s. Artillery, air support, and mortars can all reach further than ever before with near pinpoint accuracy.

Phantom_Engineer ,
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Telegraph does like their doom reader fluff pieces.

Can_you_change_your_username ,

Also Russia has no experience advantage in dealing with their winter vs. Ukraine. Russian winter was an issue for France and Germany in large part because they didn't understand what they were dealing with. It's Ukraine's home turf. They know what winter means for them and are prepared for it.

linkhidalgogato , to worldnews in Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat

damn lots of libs here on some serious copium

Varyk , (edited ) to worldnews in Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat

Pppffff in what world is resisting an invasion by a much larger country with a larger military for over a year, a defeat? Even if Ukraine settles, they won this war.

atlasraven31 , (edited ) to worldnews in Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat

Last I read, Ukraine was switching to new and better weapons and Russia was resorting to older tanks and pensioners. I’ve never heard of anyone winning a war with last centuries’ weapons.

erin , to worldnews in Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat
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“Never sell the bear’s skin before one has killed the beast.”

Merulox , to technology in American TikTok user data stored in China, video app admits
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no way

MercuryUprising ,

This is such a fucking stupid statement and I’ve seen it in every thread discussing this shit.

Just because its obvious doesn’t make finding more evidence of it not news. This sort of “well duh” attitude plays right into normalizing the idea that hostile foreign governments are spying on us so effectively that im convinced it was started by 50 cent army posters who convinced regular dipshits that it was some brilliant and hilarious response.

Its not funny. Its not clever. It basically derails any discussion because “so obvious, I already like, knew that.” Honestly shut the fuck up if you have nothing to contribute and take your low effort bullshit back to reddit.

riodoro1 ,

You didn’t have your breakfast yet, did you?

MercuryUprising ,

No, I had my breakfast. In the form of a shitty meme tier sandwich supplied by unoriginal assholes while I’m trying to get additional insights into the articles I’m reading.

dystop , to worldnews in Belarus abducts thousands of Ukrainian children
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Putin puppet speedrun any% challenge

CAPSLOCKFTW , to technology in Supercomputer makes calculations in blink of an eye that take rivals 47 years

Quantum computing is mostly a hoax. At least how it is presented to investors and the public. Quantum Computers will maybe be capable of solving a very small set of problems much more efficiently than regular computers, most of these problems aren’t of any parctical importance. It is a massive (financial) bubble that is going to burst soon.

OmnipotentEntity ,
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most of these problems aren’t of any parctical importance.

Well sure, but one of them is extremely important. Factoring integers rapidly is very useful, even if it completely destroys one of the most important encryption algorithms.

CAPSLOCKFTW ,

Yes, but there are already algorithms which can replace it.

localhost ,

They can replace them going forward. A major issue is that many governments (and likely other malicious actors) have been hoarding encrypted communication in hopes of accessing it once sufficiently big quantum computer emerges.

derbis ,

I am wondering why we are waiting, if it’s an inevitability

OmnipotentEntity ,
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Because security is still a big deal. There are post quantum algorithms, but there are similar post quantum algorithms that have been proven to be flawed. It’s important to allow technology like this to mature prior to adoption.

CanadaPlus ,

“Hoax” makes it sound like the involved scientists aren’t shouting this from the damn rooftops.

The economically important problems they beat are breaking encryption (actually counterproductive) and simulating other quantum systems (like reacting molecules, which could be useful). There’s other neat tricks they can do but they’re underwhelming to anybody who’s not a technical person, and it’s possible we’ll discover more substantially impactful algorithms but it’s hard so don’t hold your breath.

shanghaibebop ,

That’s a bit of a broad strike no? That’s like saying the invention of the modern computing is mostly a “hoax”, all they are capable of doing is adding numbers together faster than a human.

We already know we can transform certain problems that are computationally expensive to be solved by quantum computers. I’m sure more Algorithms can be developed to take advantage of that in the future as well.

CaptainComrade , to world in UK ‘has abandoned’ British-Nigerian activist held in ‘filthy, windowless cell’

That sounds exactly like the British Government honestly. Honestly it sounds like something they’d happily allow

aesopjah , to technology in Supercomputer makes calculations in blink of an eye that take rivals 47 years

“This is a very nice demonstration of quantum advantage. While a great achievement academically, the algorithm used does not really have real world practical applications though."

On the cusp of a new era

CanadaPlus , to technology in Supercomputer makes calculations in blink of an eye that take rivals 47 years

Alternate headline: Supercomputer makes specially tailored, useless calculations in blink of an eye that would take classical computer rivals 47 years if they tried it for some strange reason

Ah, the Telegraph.

SkyeStarfall ,

It’s not a good title, but it is an interesting result. A synthetic benchmark is useful in knowing the theoretical maximum speedup that is possible, and whether it is worth exploring further.

CanadaPlus ,

It’s really not, though. We know how quantum computation works. We don’t know what it’s capable of in full, but that discussion will happen on proverbial blackboards, not chips.

What this is is a marketing stunt.

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