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filoria , to world in ‘I walked out with a £150 trolley – it was so easy’: the rise of middle-class shoplifting

Good. The problem falls at the hands of the companies making billions of dollars of excess profits, not on the individuals saving a tens or hundreds of dollars.

Bonehead ,

Yeah...until the companies making billions of dollars put blockers at the entrances that can't fit a cart, and people checking receipts at the exit, just like what they did in Canada. Then everyone gets to be treated like a thief.

BirdyBoogleBop ,

How do you get shopping to the car?

Bonehead ,

You have to go through the exit that you can only get to by going through a cashier station.

TheMightyCanuck ,
@TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works avatar

Where in canada? Cause all the major chains don’t check your bags or cart other than Costco…

Source: Canadian who buys groceries

Bonehead , (edited )

I believe they were checking receipts in Toronto. But all the big chain grocery stores like Zerhs around me have all put in barriers at the front door.

TheMightyCanuck ,
@TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works avatar

Neat. Thanks for the info. Nothing like that (yet) in alberta except maybe more people watching self checkout

PhobosAnomaly , to world in ‘I walked out with a £150 trolley – it was so easy’: the rise of middle-class shoplifting

I worked for a major UK supermarket chain a few years ago - at a store big enough to have its own car park, but small enough that it had a small “garden centre” which was about 10m X 25m tacked on to the side of the store.

I was on the way back in after helping some elderly couple load their car up, when some dude says “can you give me a hand with these bags of soil?”, and I’m like “yeah no worries” and yeeted about nine or ten bags of soil into the back of his car.

I wander back in and the checkout supervisor was like “did he pay for those bags?” and I’m like “I’ve no idea mate” - turns out no, no he hadn’t.

It was a separate question to “did I care?” where the answer would have equally been something they didn’t want to hear.

AlphaOmega ,

When I was in HS I worked at a grocery store. One time we had a senior citizen come in and ask me for some bags. He then proceeded to go through the store and bag his groceries and then tried to walk out without paying.

jmcs , to world in ‘I walked out with a £150 trolley – it was so easy’: the rise of middle-class shoplifting

Since then, Yvette’s pulled the same “trick” four times, although she insists she doesn’t see herself as a shoplifter and is “a goody goody” by nature: “I earn a reasonable amount in my senior position, drive an SUV, and live in a desirable postcode. Before my divorce, our girls attended private school.”

This kind of ÜberKarens are the reason we can’t get nice stuff. Actions of people like her will be used to crack down on people that literally can’t afford basic needs and to reduce the privacy of everyone else, while making the service shittier at the same time.

And she has the gall of calling her self a “goody goody”. Bullshit, no one so self entitled is a nice person.

Mr_Blott ,

Agreed. If she’s not paying, everyone else is

Annoyed_Crabby ,

Yeah, bitch decided to commit crime 5 times, boast about her career and wealth while pretend that is the feature of good people, then “teach” others how to commit the same crime. Bitch have no shame nor dignity. Makes me wonder what sort of white collar crime she also committed.

Ragdoll_X , (edited )
@Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly I don’t even really care that much that she’s shoplifting, I find it hard to sympathize with a multi-billion-dollar company losing a small fraction of their profits.

But then she insists that she’s not actually a shoplifter, and brags about her income and how she’s a great person as if she’s trying to separate herself from “the bad shoplifters”, which gives me the same vibes as the article “The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion”.

520 , (edited )

I know right? If anything she's worse; she's the one not doing it out of necessity. She actually has a realistic choice.

Not that I have much sympathy for the supermarkets but fuck me, don't pretend you're better than the next person doing it, especially when they might only be doing it out of necessity.

FMT99 ,

The multi billion dollar company loses nothing. If shoplifting increases they’ll just raise the prices for the rest of us.

Flambo ,

prices will be raised regardless. record profits? raise prices. record growth? raise prices. cost of production goes down? raise prices.

deur ,

People who don’t accept the consequences of their actions are the worst.

However, what if Yvette is not a real person and this is meant to stir up drama targeted at the middle class?

afraid_of_zombies ,

I doubt a real person.

brambledog ,

Articles this inflammatory in nature generally are highly fabricated. A notable example is the Ken Waks “I quit Google in two separate occasions because I’m that brilliant.”

echodot ,

“I’m actually a really good person, I just commit crimes for fun, so it’s okay.”

bratosch ,

I don’t get her reasoning either. “I consider myself a goody goody because I’m an upper class asshole”

funkless_eck ,

“I’m rich therefore right” is a very seductive viewpoint

Thoth19 ,

No way she’s upper class. Upper middle at best and that’s pushing it.

spudwart ,

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  • prime_number_314159 ,

    The boot you feel is the biological reality that we all need to eat (and more than just eat), and almost all of us need someone else to grow/raise/ sometimes prepare that food (and more than just food) for us. Supermarkets operate on extremely thin margins, and so do most farms, and so too most food factories. Most of them would go out of business if they cut prices by 5%.

    People stealing from supermarkets cost the other shoppers around them, either through raised prices, or closed stores, if it’s bad enough. This is a major reason for the “food desert” phenomena, and why wealthy areas typically have cheaper groceries.

    zephyreks , to worldnews in China’s CO2 emissions may be falling already, in a watershed moment for the world

    It’s a repost, but I’m leaving it up for now because of how late I caught it.

    zerfuffle , to worldnews in China’s CO2 emissions may be falling already, in a watershed moment for the world

    Good. Everyone knows it. It’s not news unless you’ve been living under a rock.

    Treczoks , to world in ‘I walked out with a £150 trolley – it was so easy’: the rise of middle-class shoplifting

    Reminds me of an old “hidden camera” stunt. A set of people dressed in work clothes enter a furniture shop, and start taking down and carting out a living room. Then they come back and take a bedroom and a kitchen, too. Asked by the staff, the “boss” of the crew (the guy with the clipboard) just replied that they were doing what they were told to. Staff even helped them by holding the door open when they moved stuff out.

    Bonehead ,
    520 ,

    Oh yeah. A hi-vis jacket and appropriate accessories can get you almost anywhere

    Corkyskog ,

    Clipboard and a collar are all you need to get anywhere and do almost anything. Just act like you belong there and are annoyed that people are in the way of your *activity

    Go to any pharmacy or dollar store, go to the food section with a cart and a clipboard. Take random stuff off the shelf turn it around, scribble nonsense on the clipboard and then just leave with whatever. No one will ask what your doing, and if they do just say “I am the inspector mate” and you will be home before they even realized what happened. Not condoning, just saying.

    520 ,

    Ahh this takes me back. My previous line of work had me pulling exactly this kind of shit, except I was getting into higher value targets.

    LufyCZ ,

    You can’t just say that and leave come on

    520 , (edited )

    So there is a type of cybersecurity job known as a 'red teamer'. It is a special branch of offensive security, and differs from the likes of a penetration tester in that they fully act like blackhats as much as is possible without actually doing intentional damage.

    That means, you plan an attack, you plot a way in and you reach a given objective. How you do so is up to you; you are not limited to digital attacks just as real attackers wouldn't be. You can rock up to site in disguise and walk your way in if you so feel that's the best route. Tailgating, lying to people, cloning ID cards, or have a friend joyride on an escooter to provide a distraction while you hop a fence, it's all fair game.

    The only things you aren't allowed to do is pretend to be a boss and threaten to have someone fired (or other shit that could cause mental harm) or intentional physical damage to property (eg: lockpicking is fine even if you accidentally fuck up the lock. Wire cutting generally isn't)

    The assignments where we rocked up on site were my favourites. It was always a rush slipping by people and hoping I didn't arouse suspicion.

    These things take months to plan though, so we pick high value targets owned by the business employing us. The person in charge of that facility will be notified that something is about happen but not crucial details that can throw the test, such as when it will happen. I can't go into details about the targets I've hit (red team NDAs make regular NDAs look like Donald Trump's attitude to confidential information by comparison) but they're the kind state sponsored attacker's and organised crime outfits would typically hit.

    LufyCZ ,

    Love it

    520 ,

    It was an amazing job. Pays well too. Easily in the 6 figures if you're in America (although that comes with additional risks...)

    Hasherm0n ,

    I used to do penetration testing and only got to dabble in physical penetration testing a couple of times. Hell of a lot of fun.

    For anyone reading this chain and interested in hearing more, this is a pretty fun interview with someone known for doing physical presentation testing.

    darknetdiaries.com/episode/134/

    520 ,

    Darknet Diaries is such a good listen in general for anyone interested in this kind of thing

    HerbalGamer ,
    @HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I always love hearing about these kinds of stories but I can’t ever find a good explaination of how to actually go about getting into this line of work.

    Seems like most people kinda stumble into this through people they happen to know.

    Zahille7 ,

    Sounds like it’d be some Cicada 3301 shit

    dessimbelackis ,

    Serving papers maybe?

    EtzBetz , to worldnews in China's energy sector emissions Plateau, start to fall

    I guess this is good news?

    Grayox ,
    @Grayox@lemmy.ml avatar

    Why would it not be?

    EtzBetz ,

    Well, it could just be a temporary plateau and later could continue to rise still. Even a plateau is better than a continuous rise I guess, but doesn’t mean that it’ll decrease only from now on :)

    I don’t want to paint a dark picture or be a pessimistic guy or anything, just writing my thoughts. All in for everybody lowering emissions :)

    Omega_Haxors , to worldnews in China’s CO2 emissions may be falling already, in a watershed moment for the world

    But at what cost…?

    HobbitFoot ,

    Nothing major.

    China has made significant investments in solar and nuclear technology specifically designed to reduce costs per unit of energy to make it competitive to fossil fuels.

    DogMuffins , to worldnews in China’s CO2 emissions may be falling already, in a watershed moment for the world

    This is blowing my mind a little bit.

    FuckyWucky , to worldnews in China’s CO2 emissions may be falling already, in a watershed moment for the world

    xigma-male Leader of the free world

    bobs_monkey ,
    trash80 , to world in China’s CO2 emissions may be falling already, in a watershed moment for the world

    The regime is approving two new coal plants a week. It does not mean what many in the West think it means.

    Does anyone else think this is annoying?

    qantravon , to worldnews in China's energy sector emissions Plateau, start to fall

    Oh no, who are we going to blame our refusal to lower emissions on now?

    /s

    OurToothbrush OP ,

    India probably, or just generically “the third world”

    Aradia ,
    @Aradia@lemmy.ml avatar

    But USA is also failing, Los Angeles was the city with most dense pollution.

    forbes.com/…/the-ten-most-polluted-cities-on-eart…

    “Los Angeles is the most toxic city in America, the tenth in the world, with the 7th highest PM10 air pollution levels at 57 PM10, and a light pollution score of 10,900 μcd/m2. Chicago and New York ranked in 21st and 26th place, respectively.”

    And I think things went worse in 2023.

    Ok, I found this: www.iqair.com/world-air-quality-ranking
    Seem China still on all top.

    u_tamtam ,
    @u_tamtam@programming.dev avatar

    Who is “we” exactly? Most developed countries have reduced their emissions so much that they’ve been producing less CO2 per Capita than China for a very long time (like, a decade for the whole of the EU if I remember correctly).

    ourworldindata.org/…/consumption-co2-per-capita-v…

    And I see you coming, no, it’s not because China exports lots of stuff for the rest of the world: ourworldindata.org/…/production-vs-consumption-co…

    qantravon ,

    I was calling out the (mostly conservatives) who repeatedly say that we shouldn’t make any effort to reduce emissions because “China is worse”.

    u_tamtam ,
    @u_tamtam@programming.dev avatar

    Yeah, screw them. Let’s also not pretend that China is the bar to pass either. Two things can be bad.

    pan_troglodytes , to world in China’s CO2 emissions may be falling already, in a watershed moment for the world

    ooh! now do India!

    WashedOver , to world in China’s CO2 emissions may be falling already, in a watershed moment for the world
    @WashedOver@lemmy.ca avatar

    It’s been great for people like me that go off grid at times for travel and their efforts in the solar areas has seen dramatic drops in the cost of solar panels for many. They are possibly at their lowest prices ever now due to their investment in these areas.

    This is not say they are perfect and everything is great but it is kind of disturbing with all of their issues (and some would say there are many) they get that living in the 1600’s with coal mining isn’t perhaps the best practices for everyone on a massive scale.

    Many of our western local governments fight against alternative sources and even stop projects as they have guzzled the oil, gas, and coal are the only ways to go Kool-Aid. It’s great for jobs and business they say.

    admiralteal ,

    There is no "possibly" about it. Right now, solar is the cheapest form of electrical generation ever, in human history, and it is still getting cheaper. It has literally seen price drops of more than 2 orders of magnitude in my lifetime. It is, without a doubt, going to be the primary means of energy generation for the future of our species, assuming our species is to have a future.
    It's hardly something the Chinese can claim as their achievement, though. There's a large economy for solar panels -- and frankly, the Chinese production ramped up in response significantly to Californian demand under their (now besieged) rooftop solar policies. A lot of players are involved from research to production to demand and any one country that claims it's all thanks to them is sweet-talking you.

    wildginger ,

    Solar getting cheaper does worry me from an enviromentalist position.

    Too many people, governments, and corporations are sticking panels over top of ecosystems that rely on that sunlight, rather than bother with the hassle of installing them on top of existing human infrastructure.

    Cheaper panels is gonna lead to more techie investors turning deserts into wastelands, and we dont have any real safeguards against that yet.

    Eheran , to world in China’s CO2 emissions may be falling already, in a watershed moment for the world

    Their economy is in trouble, so this is not unexpected. Concrete production for their absurd ghost towns finally goes down.

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