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Immersive_Matthew ,

The issue may be though that manufacturers are moving to other nations which means the emissions are just emitting from someone else.

OurToothbrush OP ,

Are you just throwing out theories or are you being it on something?

Immersive_Matthew ,

Just theories based on the fact that the manufacturing sector in China has been hit hard over the last 2 years with key companies pulling out. This is well understood and is accelerating which surely means less manufacturing less emmisions.

OurToothbrush OP ,

Did you read the article which actually explains why this is happening? They’ve massively increased their renewables.

Immersive_Matthew ,

I am not refuting the article, I am just pointing out that the reduction in emmisions may also be attributable to the lower demand in the manufacturing sectors. There is a lot of propaganda in these sorts of claims in all countries and all want to seem like green heros when at the end of the day the total global emmisions just continues to go up. Maybe 2023 will actually see its peak, but it is not looking that way.

EtzBetz ,

I guess this is good news?

Grayox ,
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Why would it not be?

EtzBetz ,

Well, it could just be a temporary plateau and later could continue to rise still. Even a plateau is better than a continuous rise I guess, but doesn’t mean that it’ll decrease only from now on :)

I don’t want to paint a dark picture or be a pessimistic guy or anything, just writing my thoughts. All in for everybody lowering emissions :)

qantravon ,

Oh no, who are we going to blame our refusal to lower emissions on now?

/s

OurToothbrush OP ,

India probably, or just generically “the third world”

Aradia ,
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But USA is also failing, Los Angeles was the city with most dense pollution.

forbes.com/…/the-ten-most-polluted-cities-on-eart…

“Los Angeles is the most toxic city in America, the tenth in the world, with the 7th highest PM10 air pollution levels at 57 PM10, and a light pollution score of 10,900 μcd/m2. Chicago and New York ranked in 21st and 26th place, respectively.”

And I think things went worse in 2023.

Ok, I found this: www.iqair.com/world-air-quality-ranking
Seem China still on all top.

u_tamtam ,
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Who is “we” exactly? Most developed countries have reduced their emissions so much that they’ve been producing less CO2 per Capita than China for a very long time (like, a decade for the whole of the EU if I remember correctly).

ourworldindata.org/…/consumption-co2-per-capita-v…

And I see you coming, no, it’s not because China exports lots of stuff for the rest of the world: ourworldindata.org/…/production-vs-consumption-co…

qantravon ,

I was calling out the (mostly conservatives) who repeatedly say that we shouldn’t make any effort to reduce emissions because “China is worse”.

u_tamtam ,
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Yeah, screw them. Let’s also not pretend that China is the bar to pass either. Two things can be bad.

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