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Speculater , to memes in The Extra Mile
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Bro, I’m salaried and only really need to work six hours a day. So that’s exactly what I do. My coworkers put in 12-14 hours a day six days a week… We get the same paycheck.

Granted, I’m consistently rated at the bottom of my department by my supervisors, but I’m also the most highly requested employee by our customers. Literally no one else gets requested by name and I have to triage projects.

HobbitFoot ,

Why do you think there is so much disparity between your bosses and your clients?

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

I show up late and leave early and don’t participate in the “work culture” stuff, this makes my employer upset.

I get requested because I’m the best at my job and the customers talk to each other. I’ve had clients from other employees ask to switch to me but that’s not allowed by policy. The best I can do is look at the work they’re receiving and give feedback.

HobbitFoot ,

Sounds like shitty management.

Speculater ,
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It’s crabs in a bucket and they’re mad I won’t get in the water. I’m paid well and they mostly leave me alone. They’ve only once fucked up my career once by bad-mouthing me to a department I tried to transfer to in order to learn a new skill.

HobbitFoot ,

Crabs in a bucket makes sense for the staff, but not the management. Management should be judging with outputs in mind.

Landless2029 ,

See I’m salary but I’m forced to put in 8 hrs a day. Even if I have no work to do. It sucks.

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

That’s horrible. What’s the point of salary if you have an hourly requirement? That sounds like fake hourly.

Pickle_Jr ,

The point of Salary is so they don’t have to pay for overtime. The slave labor is the purpose, forcing people to work more than 8 is just a nice little cherry on top ☺️.

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

Having a one way street that can only work for them seems like some serious bullshit. I’m glad we don’t track our time where I work. If I had mandatory hours I’d insist on hourly rates.

theangryseal ,

Boom shakalaka. He shoots he scores.

This is the answer. I worked for a company before the law changed where “managers have to work 60 hours a week”. You know why? Because those last 20 hours made them half of what they would have had to pay someone else. Somehow people fell for it though. “It’s a guaranteed paycheck if I git sick. It’ll work out, won’t it?”

Nope.

It ain’t for you boo boo.

EndHD ,

do you have any other advice? they got us going back to the mines soon with no additional pay, no parking, and no bus passes. so I’m looking to adjust accordingly

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly, if you have time and are risk tolerant, going to flight school is a great career at the moment. You take on $200k in debt though.

MrVilliam ,

I’m consistently rated at the bottom of my department by my supervisors

Unless you miss out on raises or promotions because of this or lose your job, this is meaningless. It’s “this will go on your permanent record” but for adults. This is coming from somebody who is pretty proudly the quiet worker who stays around the middle of the pack and does just enough to keep things slightly better than just maintained, so both coworkers and bosses can objectively see that I’m neither making things worse nor just keeping things coasting. And I got a promotion last year, so I guess it’s the right strategy (here, anyway) lol.

Speculater ,
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Yep, they’re only middle management as far as the company is concerned I’m still competitive for corporate level promotions and my “bad” reputation will stay back in my current office. I’m gunning for a promotion next summer, so hopefully these dingbats will be in my rearview mirror next year.

MrVilliam ,

Good luck and Godspeed! Write down every recent and upcoming success so you can cite objective improvements in your interviews/meetings. Customer feedback will help too. If you have any big clients who can vouch for you personally being the reason that your company kept their business, even better. The only risk there is that they may decide that you’re too valuable in your current role, but you can get ahead of that by pitching that you’ll be able to apply your success to bigger wins in a higher role and guide others to learn how to do what you’ve done. Worst case scenario, you don’t get that promotion but you still have it all compiled for interviews elsewhere. If you want to be at the level of that promotion, you should chase it whether it’s within the company or without! You got this!

Sabata11792 , to lemmyshitpost in Sit up straight, damnit
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Pass, The sound my spine makes while sitting "properly" is a sign this is wrong. I will continue sitting like a tied up pair of pants fresh out of the drier, and you can't stop me.

Track_Shovel OP ,

I fucking love the analogy

brb , to memes in Chat Apps

Whatsapp for irl friends, Discord for online friends and gaming, email for professional communication. Not too complicated

pearsaltchocolatebar , to memes in The Extra Mile

Eh, going the extra mile is how I went from customer service agent to senior server engineer in 5 years (with the same company).

There’s always a balance between the two, but the most important thing is knowing how to say no without sounding like you’re saying no.

explodicle ,

My career has also gone very well in this time period by slacking on my previous job and using the extra time to get my current job. Per minute spent, I think it’s more cost effective to look for a new job. Companies hate loyalty now.

I don’t even sugar coat the “no” anymore. When the next company calls, all they’re going to share is how long I worked there.

Here’s a Venn Diagram:

(me) [alienation] (my labor)

lil_tank ,
@lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml avatar

but the most important thing is knowing how to say no without sounding like you’re saying no.

Yeah it’s a lot about how to market yourself to your higher ups. An employee is a commodity and selling commodites is more about marketing than the actual quality of the product. The biggest victims of that system are the introvert ones who do six extra miles but don’t get any recognition

InputZero ,

Tell me about it, my inability to recognize my own achievements is almost pathological. Work extra to get a difficult but interesting project out on time then deflect any praise provided after is a sure fire way to never get noticed.

crushyerbones ,

Eh going the extra mile is how I got so burned out I had to quit a job for the sake of my physical and mental health.

Did I get promoted? Hell no. Never did. The boss’s wife sure did though.

Yes I’m aware you said balance but I just had to share why I’m currently trying not to care anymore. Note I said trying, I’m really terrible at not giving everything to every project I’m in.

dtjones ,

It is entirely job dependent. I have been in jobs where it was just a grind and going the extra mile simply put a smile on my boss’s face. In jobs like these the best thing you can do is carve out as many hours as possible during the work week to build new skills or apply to other jobs. I’ve also been in jobs where going the extra mile directly contributed meaningful skills to my resume/portfolio and helped me get a new job with way better pay.

Mog_fanatic ,

I’ve been in this game for a good bit now and while I’ve seen a bunch of go getters put in ridiculous hours and slave away and actually get promoted, I have seen faaaaaaar more just get promoted for being in the right place at the right time or, most times, being the child, spouse, in-law, or friend of someone high up in the company. In my experience your social standing or just plain luck accounts for about 90% of it. The other 10% isn’t the work you do, it’s the work they think you do.

MrVilliam ,

the most important thing is knowing how to say no without sounding like you’re saying no.

The best part is that once you have proven expertise and an impressive resume, you don’t even have to sound like you’re saying no anymore. After being a lackey for a long time, it feels wrong to say no because it makes you feel like an asshole, but the reality is that there’s only so much time; there are only so many hours in a day, and you have only so many days left in this world, and you should expect to actually enjoy some amount of those remaining days. Plus you start to realize that your value far exceeds your compensation, otherwise a company whose sole existence is for the purpose of profit would be incapable of existing since there is no profit if the labor is paid what it is objectively worth. So you just pick your battles and tell people to fuck off when they overstep. It costs money to hire and train a replacement, so unless you’re already highly compensated, you have the power to say no to egregious asks and you really should, or you set precedent that you’ll say yes to that type of shit and they will continue pushing until they find the line where you finally say no. There is risk that they’ll fire you and figure out later that it takes more than one new hire to do what you were already doing without considering the scope creep, but with a good resume and a healthy savings I enjoy playing chicken with a bad boss.

I’ve been with my current company for almost 3 years and I’ve only had to say no a couple of times. They’re far from perfect, but they’re good enough that I actually don’t like to say no when I have to here. They pretty much always have reasonable asks. I’m 35 but I could actually see myself staying here until retirement unless they drastically change. I know for a fact that I could go elsewhere for similar pay and treatment pretty easily (because I’ve interviewed and received offers but turned them down because the pain of change wasn’t worth something lateral), so I’m ready if they do pivot to fuck this environment up but I’d really rather stay.

g8phcon2 ,
@g8phcon2@kbin.social avatar

that's capitalist bullshit

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

OK, buddy.

Takeshidude , to memes in Chat Apps

Element is okay, but I really wish Matrix had better clients on iOS. If Cinny put out an iOS app or got the web app working better on mobile, I’d be way more willing to start using Matrix more.

LodeMike ,

Element sucks but the fact that it uses Matrix makes it really good.

Cysioland ,
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Unable to decrypt message

toastal ,

Syncing for 15 minutes

SkybreakerEngineer , to memes in The Extra Mile

The guy that does nothing at all and whines until he gets someone else to do it, is also paid the same as you. And will never get fired.

ImplyingImplications , to memes in The Extra Mile

I go the extra mile. It’s not for pay. It’s because I’m stuck at work for 8 hours anyways and I’d rather work than pretend to work.

captainlezbian ,

Yeah I put in enough work to be proud of myself and not bored. I try to focus on skills and projects that are marketable

pineapplelover , (edited ) to memes in Chat Apps

I only use two of these (signal/molly and discord/aliucord/webcord)

Edit: oo element is on there. I also use that lol.

Baku ,

I use Discord and WhatsApp

Grandwolf319 , to memes in Chat Apps

Am I the only one who agrees with this non ironically?

I like how my notifications are segregated by friend lol.

unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov ,

You’re probably in the minority, but probably not the only one.

Samsy , to memes in Chat Apps

Wait a moment it is actually march. How about the DSA against Gatekeepers from the EU? I thought we are all able to communicate to every messenger from the messenger we chose.

EntropyPure ,

Gatekeepers like WhatsApp need to open their platform, but the other app developers need to attach to those provided connections. And so far Signal and Threema already announced that they will not use the opportunity.

MacNCheezus , to memes in Chat Apps
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Fuck, I actually do have all of them.

sverit ,

I have 2 more :(

Winter8593 , to memes in Chat Apps

Give Beeper a try! It consolidates all the listed apps into one texting app.

sjkhgsi ,
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Beeper is great

Elgenzay ,
@Elgenzay@lemmy.ml avatar

Seconded. Good support team too

Samsy ,

Tried it, its bloated and battery hungry. It isn’t also clear how beeper saves and uses/handles your messages.

SnotFlickerman ,
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People really need to consider the pedigree of the guy who created this company and how willing he is to walk away from a company when it becomes unprofitable. Eric Migicovsky sold Pebble when it became unprofitable, promised that people would still have their jobs as devs, and at the last minute, the sale didn’t include their jobs, so everyone was left fucked out of luck and with no job. Also, the fact that he has zero long term plans for how to keep fighting Apple for iMessage access after he used a teenagers reverse-engineered code to make a standalone Beeper iMessage app which Apple promptly broke after only days. If that’s as far ahead as he was able to “plan” in regards to that, it speaks to his weakness on having a long-term business plan. Lack of realistic long-term business plan coupled with how badly he fucked over the developers when he bounced from Pebble screams “Don’t trust this.”

SnotFlickerman ,
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Beeper is just paying someone else to maintain Matrix bridges for you.

Tetsuo ,

And that’s a bad thing ?

Signtist , to memes in The Extra Mile

I get paid way more than my coworkers, and even my supervisor, because when I got hired I immediately made a bunch of random tools in google sheets that only I know how to maintain, and spread them around until everyone was using them. Before long, I was essential to my department, and praised for going “above and beyond” even though I was mostly just dicking around making the tools rather than doing my actual job.

I have 0 coding experience, so the tools are absolutely horrendous behind the scenes, but that just means that they break pretty often, and people are reminded that only I know how to fix them. So, when I went looking around on LinkedIn for other offers after a few years, I eventually got one that was paying way more since it was in a major metro area, and I took it back to my manager to negotiate a 50% raise and a full-remote designation that virtually nobody else in my office is given.

You don’t get ahead by working hard, and you don’t get ahead by working smart to benefit the company, you get ahead by working smart to benefit yourself. Think about it this way - if you’re at the store to buy bananas, and you see that they’re selling bananas for $0.05 ea, you’ll likely think “Wow, that’s a great deal!” and buy a bunch of those bananas at the $0.05 price. You’re not going to pay them the price you think would be fair for a banana, you’re going to take advantage of the price you’re allowed to pay so that you can save money. Your employer sees you - working for less than you’re worth - as a $0.05 banana. You’re nothing more than a cheap commodity they were lucky to snag on sale.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

Making yourself indispensable is a great way to never get promoted.

FluffyPotato ,

As long as you can get constant raises who cares about a promotion? If you got your job nailed down so much you only need to work like 5 hours a week and from home while getting raises I would turn down any promotion.

Crashumbc ,

Promotion are almost always a trap. If you want a better job change companies!

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

It looks good on your resume when you apply for the next company, and that’s how you keep getting raises in today’s business environment.

Signtist ,

It’s one good thing to have on a resume, sure, but another is the skillset itself. For example, I work with a highly specialized software, so I frequently get messaged with interview offers on LinkedIn because I show up every time employers search for that specific software.

Signtist ,

I turned down the promotion they offered me. It was significantly more work, required me to come back to the office, and only offered a 10% pay raise. It doesn’t matter where your “standing” in the company is - if you’re indispensable, you can fight for good pay even outside of managerial roles.

fmstrat ,

You don’t get ahead by working hard, and you don’t get ahead by working smart to benefit the company, you get ahead by working smart to benefit yourself.

There is a bit too much “my situation fits all” here. Startup vs big corp, private vs government, thoughtful management vs not, etc. Other people will also recognize this mentality. Can’t say “eat the rich” because they only do what’s good for them, then do the same (yes, that’s extreme).

You should benefit the company, and they should benefit you. I take your point to mean this equation should be balanced (which unfortunately it usually isn’t), vs the specific words above.

Signtist ,

That’s a fair point. You’re correct that my point is that the equation should be balanced, but you’re understating the reality with the statement “unfortunately it usually isn’t.”

I put in 4 hours of work last week, though my employer thinks I put in 40. In those 4 hours of work I started and finished a project for the company that will earn over $100k in gross profit. It ended up being almost exactly 1.5x my yearly salary. Just by putting in the absolute minimum effort I’m already earning my company more in a week than they pay me in a year. And I don’t even work for a large company. I’d imagine corporate giants have an even greater divide.

I’m not responsible for worrying about whether I benefit the company; most companies have gotten so good at maximizing profits while minimizing costs that even the most layabout worker earns them significantly more money than they cost to employ. My only thought is about how I can do as little as possible while still ensuring management continues to think I’m being productive.

hperrin , to memes in Chat Apps

Everybody’s got email. Just saying.

anarchrist ,

Everyone can read your emails, just saying.

hperrin ,

Well, I run my own email service.

Samsy ,

Np, they read your mails on the destination, anyway.

garbagebagel ,

Maybe they can but I never do

wildbus8979 ,

GPG S/MIME are still a thing…

Tetsuo ,

I work on email systems everyday.

Please don’t let this protocol survive.

Forget emails that is functionally a terrible communication tool.

You never know if it will be received by the recipient. There is always false positive false negative classification in spam.

SMTP is an outdated protocol that needs to die.

hperrin ,

It sounds like your problem is with the way providers handle email and not email itself. Email is actually a really nice protocol. It’s got so much fault tolerance built into it. I could take my servers down for 24 hours, and none of my customers would miss an email.

Yes, there is definitely a spam problem, but overzealous spam filters are not the fault of email, they are the fault of email providers.

As much as I hate Gmail, at least they are pushing for everyone being required to use SPF and DKIM. That alone will eliminate a huge portion of the spam problem.

Also, email isn’t the only protocol with a spam problem. I get so many spam messages on SMS, Facebook (back when I used it), Telegram, etc. Basically anything that allows someone to send a message without two-party consent first (like scanning each other’s QR codes) is going to have a spam problem if it’s popular enough.

Tetsuo ,

It sounds like your problem is with the way providers handle email and not email itself.

No. Providers handle mail this way because they have no choice to do so.

You are stuck between two major Issues.

On one hand you can have your anti-spam very lenient and receive pretty much everything. But if you do you will get more phishing and malware ridden mails. So the users will be exposed to one of the most dangerous vector of infection.

On the other hand you can have a super aggressive spam filter but some mail will be dropped. Whether an email notifications or the contract of the year for a business. It’s no matter. It might never be delivered.

And since we have to block millions of spam mail everyday we have to block them silently because if you respond to certain malicious SMTP server online they will just spam you.

In reality businesses are used to email so that’s what is commonly used.

But it’s far too unreliable to communicate with clients of that business. You can’t just have an important contract sent as an attachment by mail with some chance that it will be silently dropped at some point.

The simple fact that you can send an information to someone by email and it might be silently dropped without you ever being aware of it should IMO have led to the conclusion that it should never be used for anything remotely critical.

If it’s important it shouldn’t be an email. The reality is millions of dollars worth of business conducted solely through email conversations. And also a very lucrative business of spam.

Even businesses are often spammers or as they may call it “gray mail”.

No email providers will guarantee you a 0% fault spam filtering.

Not Gmail either.

As much as I hate Gmail, at least they are pushing for everyone being required to use SPF and DKIM. That alone will eliminate a huge portion of the spam problem.

It’s a good thing Gmail does that but it helps only their users right now (since February’s changes). If your business communicates with thousands of small domains on small providers it will take another decade for every SMTP server to fix their s***. And even then there will still be spam.

What’s the difference between a spammer going through all the hoops of creating a mail domain and a new business ?

Not much. Both mynewlegitEmailDomain.com and SpammerWho UnderstandsDNS.com are essentially the same for a spam filter.

They both would have “legit DNS records” but would both have trouble sending mail to Gmail at first.

Because Gmail cannot know if you are a spammer that setup a new disposable domain or a serious actor in email that just wants to communicate with you.

Truthfully Email is a terrible protocol that cannot be fixed with yet another layer of duct tape. You will never have any guarantee your mail is delivered. There is plenty of communication systems that’s will tell you it’s delivered or not.

hperrin ,

Again, your problem is with the way providers handle email. It would be perfectly possible to deny email that’s flagged as spam, then the sender would get a bounce notification. “Dropping them silently” (which actually means accepting them and delivering them to a spam folder in this context) is a choice that providers make. It’s already general practice to deny email from an IP address that’s been blocklisted.

Also, spammers aren’t going to spend the money to buy and set up domains if each one is blocklisted before it makes a profit. My own email service will mark something as spam if it fails FCrDNS, SPF, and DKIM. Gmail went one step further and doesn’t even consider FCrDNS.

And again, any communication method will have a spam problem if it is popular enough and it allows non-two party consent messaging. Email’s popularity is the reason it has a spam problem, not its protocol design. And any distributed system cannot guarantee delivery. If my server tells your server it’s delivered, you just have to trust it, no matter what protocol you’re using.

Tetsuo ,

By dropping silently I meant really litteraly. If you answer to SMTP commands, you are not silent. You essentially say a spammer server that you are a valid target and that they can go on.

It’s not even a question if spammer buy domains to spam. It’s well known and the reason why commercial products provides a feature to filter too fresh domains.

There are procedures to “warm-up” an IP if you are a large provider and if you don’t do it and attempt to send a lot of mails to Gmail this will not work. It’s not just about DNS records. You could have donne everything perfectly DNS wise and still be blocked by Gmail servers.

You should take a look at the requirements of Gmail for large providers. As far as I recall Gmail does check FcrDNS since last month. On top of more requirements for authentication.

Still you can’t just buy an IP, a server, set MX, SPF, DKIM, DMARC, ARC?, FcrDNS and expect large amounts of mail to go through right away.

And again, any communication method will have a spam problem

The major issue here is that anybody can send any email to whoever. Most communication apps won’t let you do that certainly not like emails.

You can’t open WhatsApp and start spamming the whole world. You basically can only do that with phone calls and emails ?

So no, SMTP/IMF has rotten foundations. No matter how many (optional) protocol you add on top, it will always be such an hassle to maintain and there will be always people who can’t afford that much effort.

Small businesses having to set that up just to reach Gmail is a big problem that they usually externalize with Outlook365 and so on.

Again, Gmail calls the shots because they are the leader. But on paper my fully unauthenticated mail from Barack.obama is perfectly RFC compliant and legit. These protocols that are essential are optional at the end of the day. They became virtually mandatory because of the spam issue and Gmail pushing in the (right) direction because they have leverage.

SMTP on its own is trash.

hperrin ,

I don’t see your issue with dropping a connection before issuing any SMTP commands. Your problem is with not being able to determine delivery status, right? If your server never even gets to send the message, then you know with 100% certainty that the message wasn’t delivered. And if it’s denied, you know with near certainty that it wasn’t delivered. (I don’t know of any servers that will issue a hard deny after receiving the message and then still deliver it, but that’s technically possible.)

I have read Gmail’s requirements, and I’m familiar with IP reputation. I didn’t mean that they don’t check FCrDNS, I meant that only having that is not enough. They now require both SPF and DKIM. Whereas my service will still accept your messages and not automatically mark them as spam if you only pass FCrDNS.

Generally if you’re getting your emails denied right off the bat, it’s because your IP or the block your IP comes from already has a bad reputation (basically any IP a cloud provider will give you). But yeah, you don’t want to spin up a server on a brand new IP and start firing off 10,000 emails a day, just like you said you don’t want to fire off 10,000 messages a day on WhatsApp. That’s a bad idea for any platform.

WhatsApp is not distributed, nor is it an open protocol, so that’s right out. It will never be the standard.

Gmail only calls the shots for Gmail users. If you never interact with Gmail users, you don’t have to obey any of their requirements. Like imagine a system that you’ve set up to receive notification emails from your own servers. You don’t have to obey anyone’s rules.

Your spoof mail may be perfectly valid for the base ESMTP spec, but there is not one single email provider on the planet that only considers that spec. Email isn’t just one spec. It’s a system that’s made of many specs and common practices, some required, some de facto required, and some optional.

crawancon , to memes in The Extra Mile

…and the one that puts in the unrecognized effort will eventually punch a hole through several people’s chests…

samus12345 ,
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…but he’ll, like, feel bad about it later.

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