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nick , to memes in Chat Apps

Just stop using the spyware ones?

mac ,
@mac@infosec.pub avatar

That leaves you with element, signal and telegram?

LWD ,

Oh, where to begin. Telegram is wild. It may not be spyware in the traditional sense, but they’ve already handed over data to the Indian government, left a telephone number scraping vulnerability open for the Iranian government, and gotten caught with “the most backdoor looking bug” with their unwisely handmade encryption algorithm.

mac ,
@mac@infosec.pub avatar

Okay just element and signal then?

LWD ,

In the meme, yeah. There are others though:

www.privacyguides.org/…/real-time-communication/

JohnDoe ,

SimpleX looks neat.

Zacryon ,

And yet no one was able to crack it.

nick ,

Telegram’s backend is proprietary software and they (very similarly to Discord for example) can just decide to read your chats whenever they want. It’s even worse then WhatsApp in this sense (at least as long as you trust Facebook that they actually encrypt your chats, again, there is no way to know if it’s proprietary software).

TarantulaFudge ,

Telegram and signal are both central points of failure. Signal can be used with other servers, but the server address is hard coded in the app, so you have to deploy your own app. Matrix servers can keep a channel going even if the channel’s home server goes down. The more home servers there are, the more mirrors of public channels there will be.

chocosoldier , to memes in Chat Apps

if you won’t talk to me except through insta then you’re not worth being friends with just fucking text me like a normal ass human.

SanndyTheManndy , to memes in The Extra Mile

If you see me going the extra mile, it’s probably the side-effects of me using the company’s resources to learn and do crazy experiments for my own gain.

sangriaferret , (edited ) to memes in Chat Apps

Somebody please tell me what’s wrong with just texting? Why did half the world decide MMS needed to be replaced with a proprietary app? It works, everyone has it and there’s no confusion. Unless you are concerned about privacy or something, why not just text?

Edit: MMS not SMS. I didn’t understand the difference.

hakobo ,

SMS doesn’t handle pictures, videos, gifs, reactions, or group conversations. Things I use all the time. MMS handles some of that, but implementation varies greatly by carrier and device. If you want consistency of that functionality, you have to go with an app. Apple and Google have created replacements for SMS and MMS that could be the next version of “texting” but Apple refuses to let anyone else use theirs (iMessage) and Google has only half opened up theirs (RCS), so those don’t really fix much.

sangriaferret ,

(I guess I don’t know the difference between SMS and MMS.)

I must be using MMS for texting. All of those features work for me and anyone I text with. The only issue I’ve ever had is imessage compressing videos to and from my android.

I still don’t get it

dditty ,

This article does a pretty good job differentiating SMS, MMS, RCS, and iMessages

Appoxo ,

Wait until everyone and their dogs gets back to MMS…
You know how expensive they were during the upcoming of WhatsApp? Germany paid 0,80€ (at the time. Though the price is probably not much different during the early iPhone/Android 2.3 times) per picture. Compare that to the amount of stuff sent today and at the time you will probably pay 5€ per day just to get some things across.

Source: derstandard.at/…/deutschland-hohe-preise-fuer-mms…

frostycakes ,
@frostycakes@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s ironic that Europe adopted SMS years before we did in America because texting was absurdly expensive here. I remember paying $0.25/SMS back in 2003 or so (it dropped to a comparable bargain of $0.10/SMS after you sent 20 messages in a month), plus we had to pay to both send and receive them. I remember having to pay my parents $20/mo extra just to have unlimited SMS/MMS on my line only a couple years later once I was old enough to get a job.

I’m surprised that Europe kept up per message charges for MMS so long, they were basically always billed at the same rate as SMS here.

Appoxo ,

It’s just that almost every phone plan includes sms (dunno about mms) nowadays. So it’s a no brainer and those that are getting pre paid sims probably only need it for calling anyways.

2xsaiko ,
@2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

MMS is still 0.37€ for me right now (SMS is free though). Completely unacceptable.

Shatur ,
@Shatur@lemmy.ml avatar

Why did half the world decide SMS needed to be replaced with a proprietary app

SMS is even worse in terms of openness. You won’t find a modem that runs open source baseband firmware. It’s because the radios are subject to several regulations which means customers can’t be able to modify that firmware.

kofe ,

Imma be honest, half my communication involves emojis on discord. Jeb with his arms up is part of my personality now and I won’t apologize. When I started seeing someone a few weeks ago I had to explain that he’s missing out on half of my personality by texting. I substitute by jebbing in person but it’s just not the same 😔

(and yes, Jeb has become a verb)

brbposting ,
kofe ,

JEB!

Supermariofan67 ,

It’s unencrypted and we know with certainly that the messages are stored by federal agencies and cell carriers. It also requires giving out one’s phone number which may be undesirable in some situations

Perfide ,

MMS doesn’t have much bandwidth available and it’ll just compress instead of failing to send, so even android to android if you send a long enough HD video the recipient will get compressed garbage. Then, of course, there’s the fact any videos sent over MMS from android to an iPhone(and vice versa iirc) becomes compressed garbage no matter how long or HD the video was, but that’s more Apple’s fault than MMS directly.

abhibeckert ,

what’s wrong with just texting

If you have friends in another country, it might cost a quarter every time you send a message.

In regions of the world (e.g. Europe, and a lot of Asia) where some countries are the size of a large city (or perhaps the entire country is one city), that’s a problem. You’d be sending international texts all day every day.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

SMS and MMS are literally the worst possible option. Zero security, zero privacy, zero features, dogshit quality photos and videos (especially when messaging an Apple user).

KillingTimeItself ,

because cellular providers are actually criminals.

Also sms (and mms, whatever the fuck else exists, it’s all terrible, shits all packets flowing through the internet, it’s the same shit) sucks, and is bad, and you shouldnt use it.

Pfnic , to memes in Chat Apps

Literally me… I’ve 5/7 of these installed and even have Threema in addition. I don’t need more than one Meta Inc product in my life though

tsugu OP ,
@tsugu@slrpnk.net avatar

I like Threema a lot, but it lacks basic features such as text editing, so I can’t imagine recommending it to anyone.

bennypr0fane ,

You mean text editing after sending? I would definitely not consider that a “basic” feature - we are talking about E2EE here, editing a message that you already encrypted locally and then sent on its way is by no means trivial - especially with the kind of E2EE that we have nowadays.

tsugu OP ,
@tsugu@slrpnk.net avatar

It actually is super easy, barely an inconvenience. When you edit an E2E encrypted message, your client simply sends another E2E encrypted message telling your contact what to replace your previous message with.

bennypr0fane ,

How many contacts do you have in Threema though?

tsugu OP ,
@tsugu@slrpnk.net avatar

Only one that I actually talk to

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

I think I have like a dozen chat apps installed but everyone I know just sends me SMS instead… Literally the worst option.

frezik , to memes in The Extra Mile

And neither gets enough to cover inflation.

ikidd , to lemmyshitpost in Sit up straight, damnit
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

I like to slump when I shit.

dylanTheDeveloper , to lemmyshitpost in Bottomgear
@dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world avatar

Hammond you tiny man where is the lamb Chevy

Gradually_Adjusting , to memes in Do you find yourself residing in bygone days?
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

I do miss having a yard sometimes

And I could rock that look if it was normal

ethanolparty ,

And I could rock that look if it was normal

be the change you want to see in the world

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah but

The change I want to see isn’t my kid getting mocked relentlessly

Ottomateeverything , to lemmyshitpost in BULLPUP

Aren’t a lot of US’s enemies closer if you go around the West instead of to the east? I think your maps backwards.

BreadstickNinja ,

*north

ObviouslyNotBanana , to lemmyshitpost in intent
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

This post feels too normal to be here, though it is a good post.

robdor ,

Yeah I hear a small percent want the post deleted. Not many though. Maybe one intendo.

aeronmelon , to lemmyshitpost in SHOTS FIRED!

Never forget the brave officers lost in the great squirrel revolt.

NegativeLookBehind , to lemmyshitpost in All the excuse needed
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

It was a very dangerous acorn, ok?

Old_Fat_White_Guy ,

It’s high time we take control of all these wild oaks out there. Every single one has thousands of acorns any any one of those might have YOUR name on it.

We need action NOW!

We need immediate Oak controls laws. And I damn sure don’t want to hear any of that stale old BS “my oak hasn’t ever harmed anyone”…

Oaks have no place in polite society. End of discussion. Get educated!

BTW that’s all satire. I love oaks. Actually my first knothole was an oak. I love oaks.

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

We should send the oaks back to hell where they came from

Rinna , to lemmyshitpost in Altered Carbon
@Rinna@lemm.ee avatar

My first thought was Cruelty Squad tbh.

afraid_of_zombies , to lemmyshitpost in Chronology

if you made a movie where George Washington defeated the British with tactical nukes while wearing a cowboy out it would still be more accurate than Braveheart

nickwitha_k ,

What? You mean to tell me that there should have been a bridge at the Battle of Stirling Bridge?!

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