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themeltingclock , to politics in US plans water heater standards, says will save consumers $11 bln yearly

Looking forward to the “reeeeee” from folks who will somehow equate this to think that the gubment is coming for their precious water heater

Supervisor194 ,
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So I can’t stand it when people do the “reeeee” thing either, but this one kind of bugs me.

$11.4 billion in savings per year for 332 million people averages to $34 per year.

Here is a typical electric water heater. Cost: $439. Here is one with a heat pump installed as described in the article. Cost: $1,909 - a difference in price of $1,470.

At $34 per year, this water heater would have to last 43 years before any cost savings from the efficiency gains would be realized. I don’t know if you know much about water heaters, but this won’t happen by a long shot.

Gas units fare similarly, with typical units verses high efficiency units’ price differential.

It’s hard to be a homeowner these days. This will make it harder. I can accept it in the name of efficiency gains and saving the planet and all that, but the whole “this will save consumers money,” bit is pure gaslighting. It’s not true. This will cost consumers quite a lot of money.

fuzzzerd ,

Claiming there's savings just isn't true in reality. If they came out and said it's to help reduce energy consumption to save the planet I'd be all in, and I'm still in for this, but it just makes it hard to fully support with the gaslighting as you aptly put.

semperverus ,
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Part of the problem is that most people who would need convincing of this will immediately turn away as soon as they hear “save energy” or “save the planet” as they see these efforts as nuicanses and a vie for control. The second you frame it as “what’s in it for you,” they immediately start to listen. Look at what happened with solar panels once they crossed the magic threshold of affordability and actually functioned as a cost saving method. A third of the houses in my neighborhood have them installed now. The only reason I don’t is because I’m currently paycheck to paycheck, and my local power company is also doing a killer job of sourcing solar and other renewables.

Iamdanno ,

It would be nice if they occasionally spent time making and enforcing stuff like this for the 7 or 10 corporations that cause most of the climate change problem. Asking all the citizens to spend and extra $1000 when they replace their water heater is just limate change theater.

semperverus ,
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I think you maybe responded to the wrong person or didn’t respond to the OP. My post was about how to convince people to buy in, whereas yours seems to be focused on the big businesses and how they’re not being held to the same standard. Though, the overlap here is basically what I originally said: frame it as cost-savings for the businesses or something else in it for them and they’ll start doing it with or without regulation.

KrimsonBun , to worldnews in Iran says EU sanctions linked to Russia's war in Ukraine are 'politically motivated'
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politicians are being political this is insane

consciouslyoblivious , to technology in Top AI Companies Pledge to Watermark AI Content for Safety

how to put watermark on textual content?

SamC ,

LLMs choose words based on probabilities, i.e. given the word “blue”, it will have a list of words and probabilities that those words should follow “blue”. So “sky” would be a high probability, “car” might also be quite high, as well as a long list of other words. The LLM chooses the words not by selecting whatever has the highest probability, but with a degree of randomness. This has been found to make the text sound more natural.

To watermark, you essentially make this randomness happen in a predefined way, at least for cases where many different words could fit. So (to use a flawed example), you might make it so that “blue” is followed by “car” rather than “sky”. You do this throughout the text, and in a way that doesn’t affect the meaning of the text. It is then possible to write a simple algorithm to detect whether this text was written by an AI, because of the probability of different words appearing in particular sequences. Because its spread throughout the text, it’s quite difficult to remove the watermark completely (although not impossible).

Here’s an article that explains it better than I can: kdnuggets.com/…/watermarking-help-mitigate-potent…

bernieecclestoned , to technology in Top AI Companies Pledge to Watermark AI Content for Safety

So, make content with AI, then screen grab it, removing watermark?

Four_lights77 ,

The watermark would likely be comprised of a few different methods to embed marker pixel sets that would be difficult/impossible to see in addition to ones that are visible. Think printed currency. I’m not saying there won’t be an arms race to circumvent it like drm, or bad actors who counterfeit it, but the work should be done to try to ensure some semblance of reliability in important distributed content.

lazyplayboy ,

It’s possible for AI generated text to be made such that detection is straight-forward, due to probability of word selection. youtu.be/XZJc1p6RE78

PipedLinkBot ,

Here is an alternative Piped link(s): piped.video/XZJc1p6RE78

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DogMuffins , to worldnews in China solar power capacity could post record growth in 2023

Yes… but how many new coal power stations have been commissioned?

yogthos OP ,
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China has an actual concrete plan that they’re implementing to transition off fossils, you can read all about it here if you actually care

DogMuffins ,

Behold my blog spam expounding the virtues of kitten farts as the fuel of the future.

Both those articles were written prior to 2022, during which china approved 106GW of new coal power plants.

yogthos OP ,
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Once you actually read the articles you’ll see that China’s coal use is in fact in line with the goal. Meanwhile, renewable and nuclear capacity in China is growing at breakneck speed while the rest of the world is doing jack shit. Anybody claiming that China isn’t doing their part is deeply intellectually dishonest.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/VCE-Chinas-Plan-to-Go-Green-v1.8.jpg

and some further reading for you on what’s been happening in 2023 nitter.net/KyleTrainEmoji/…/1680243524124516352

zacher_glachl , to worldnews in Iran says EU sanctions linked to Russia's war in Ukraine are 'politically motivated'

Sanctions are politically motivated. In other news, the sky is blue.

Iran’s government is such a joke lmao

Dubious_Fart , to worldnews in Kremlin accuses West of turning blind eye to Ukrainian 'terrorist attacks' against Russia

I have no problem turning a blind eye to what the desperate defenders do against an egregious and genocidal invader.

If Russia doesnt like it, they can surrender and end the war.

SkyeStarfall , to worldnews in Iran says EU sanctions linked to Russia's war in Ukraine are 'politically motivated'

It’s interesting how “politically motivated” has gotten to be such a negative buzzword.

Like, yes, fucking geopolitical sanctions are indeed politically motivated, lmao. What else would they be.

Rumblestiltskin ,
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Lol, that is all they should be.

extant , to world in Tesla's CEO optimistic on progress for self-driving, robots

Doesn’t seem far fetched for bots to self-drive Tesla’s since the bots are self-driving Twitter.

yip-bonk , to world in Tesla's CEO optimistic on progress for self-driving, robots
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“Tesla CEO”. lol

queermunist , to worldnews in Iran says EU sanctions linked to Russia's war in Ukraine are 'politically motivated'
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“political policies are politically motivated”

this angers the westerner

sunbytes , to world in Romanian port can ship more Ukraine grain after collapse of Black Sea deal

Really appreciate the transcript. Thank you!

Aceticon , to worldnews in Iran says EU sanctions linked to Russia's war in Ukraine are 'politically motivated'

And they are absolutely correct: the leadership of the EU and it’s component nations choosing to do all they can to hinder an autocracy which invaded a different, democratic, nation, is absolutelly a political choice.

Just like Iran’s leadership’s choice to provide such an aggressor autocracy all support that they can in their invasion is also an absolutelly political choice.

Neither is news, nor is the once again demonstrated hypocrisy of Iran’s despots.

magnetosphere , to world in Russian businessman loses appeal against UK over detained superyacht
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Cranston accepted Shapps was wrong to describe Naumenko as a friend of Putin, but said it was “excusable political hyperbole”.

Um… I wouldn’t dismiss it as “excusable”. The fact that he’s not friends with Putin is the whole point. It feels really weird to comment in favor of a Russian oligarch, but come on. Justice is more important, and this doesn’t seem fair.

MxM111 ,

There is such thing as collective responsibility. He lives in Russia, pays taxes in Russia, they go in support of war. Yes, it is unfair to him, but unfairness is the fact that he was born in Russia, he is Russian citizen, and it is Russian government actions that triggered everything.

magnetosphere ,
@magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

Thank you for providing another reasonable perspective. Hmm. This is a tricky issue.

BobKerman3999 ,

Not really, he could move his business outside of Russia and renounce citizenship

MxM111 ,

I do not think that business that can give you income enough to buy that yacht is "movable". By the way, if you can read russian, here is interesting article who Naumenko might be: https://versia.ru/kto-takoj-sergej-naumenko-i-pochemu-on-suditsya-s-mintransom-anglii-za-yaxtu-fi

PenguinJuice , to world in Russian businessman loses appeal against UK over detained superyacht

How the fuck is it appropriate for someone to have enough money they can buy a $50 million super yacht? When is enough, enough?

MxM111 ,

Never

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