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silvercove , to technology in Music labels sue Internet Archive over digitized record collection

This is why I never pay for music as a matter of principle.

I don’t care if it is cheap, or if the software is easy to use. I don’t pay for music. Period.

c0c0c0 ,

That’s an interesting principled stance. How should musicians provide for their familes?

natanael ,

Almost no musician makes any substantial money from music sales. Like at all, it’s genuinely extremely rare. Most makes more money from touring and merch.

totallynotfbi ,

I don’t think that 10% cut (or 0% if the artist still has debt) will amount to much for the majority of artists on a major label

Kolanaki , (edited )
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Buy tickets for their shows at the venue. Buy their merchandise directly from the band. Never go through a middle man. Deal with the musicians directly. They don’t really make shit off record sales; they make up the bulk of their money from touring and self-selling merch.

silvercove ,

Musicians don’t make money either way.

mark ,
@mark@programming.dev avatar

I remember back when music (or any artistic expression really) was done by people out of passion.

They used their talent to help people enjoy life more and did other things like picking up a trade for money.

These days, people feel like they can’t do anything to help other people without being paid for it.

c0c0c0 ,

When was this? When did people who need to devote their life to a craft long enough to get good at not want, even need, to be paid for it? There have always been hobbyists, and maybe that’s all you want, but there has never been a time when musicians would not have preferred to be supported by their passion, rather than the job they had to do in order to keep eating.

infyrin ,
@infyrin@lemmy.world avatar

Ask that question to Spotify’s CEO. Ask that question to YouTube. Ask that question to Sony Music Execs. Ask that question to Warner Music Execs. Ask that question to RIAA.

Come back to us with their responses, I’m sure you won’t get any.

c0c0c0 , (edited )

So, because they don’t pay artists enough, you shouldn’t pay them at all?

I’ve got the karma to spare so I’ll be clear about it. I’m not going to say you have to pay for music. That’s between you and the people you want to keep making music for you. You can fly the black flag all you want, and it does make you something of a rebel, but it does not make you any kind of hero.

totallynotfbi ,

Even if it’s an independent label or unsigned artist?

Chadus_Maximus ,

Paying artists ≠ paying for music. If I want to support them, I will.

datavoid ,

Poor take

Static_Rocket ,
@Static_Rocket@lemmy.world avatar

This unless it’s bandcamp Friday or it can be found secondhand.

Stamau123 , to world in UN completes removal of oil from decaying tanker off Yemen

With all the badness in the world I forgot all about this. At least the UN solved this, sounded like a nightmare when it was first in the news.

bstix , to news in Italian government stands ready to host as Musk talks up Zuckerberg rumble

They should start in the parking basement just like any other fighter.

The Colosseum isn’t for debutants.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Who gets the gladius and who gets to be the retiarius?

bstix , to world in UN completes removal of oil from decaying tanker off Yemen

Good.

However there is another one in Venezuela in the same situation.

ode , (edited ) to technology in Music labels sue Internet Archive over digitized record collection
@ode@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

<span style="color:#323232;">The law locks up the man or woman
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Who steals the goose off the common
</span><span style="color:#323232;">But leaves the greater villain loose
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Who steals the common from the goose.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">The law demands that we atone
</span><span style="color:#323232;">When we take things we do not own
</span><span style="color:#323232;">But leaves the lords and ladies fine
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Who takes things that are yours and mine.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">The poor and wretched don’t escape
</span><span style="color:#323232;">If they conspire the law to break;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">This must be so but they endure
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Those who conspire to make the law.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">The law locks up the man or woman
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Who steals the goose from off the common
</span><span style="color:#323232;">And geese will still a common lack
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Till they go and steal it back.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span>

www.onthecommons.org/…/“stealing-common-goose”/

mPony ,

If you have exactly the right flavour of British accent, "endure" and "law" almost rhyme.

FlyingSquid , to news in Italian government stands ready to host as Musk talks up Zuckerberg rumble
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

But not until after the “surgery” Musk suddenly needs. And I’m sure once he “recovers,” which will be a very long “recovery,” he’ll find another excuse.

He knows Zuckerberg can beat the ever-loving shit out of him.

uriel238 , to technology in Music labels sue Internet Archive over digitized record collection
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Didn’t they lobby government to extend copyright to ridiculous lengths, thereby denying the US public a robust body of public-domain works?

Where the fuck are our rights?

AceFuzzLord ,

The only way we are getting them rights back is when we hold the rich and government hostage like they do with us. When their heads start rolling they might think twice about fucking with our rights.

infyrin ,
@infyrin@lemmy.world avatar

Unfortunately, that’s just what we’re down to for options. We’ve tried reasoning with them, we got laughed at. We tried negotiating with them, we got cold shouldered and hard balled. We tried proposing more reasonable and logical systems, they just tripled down on their bullshit.

So yeah I’m up for seeing some pricks from the entertainment industry strung off and beheaded at this point.

n3m37h ,

Open your wallet

pmarcilus ,
@pmarcilus@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Then let me crack open ur head then

n3m37h ,

The fuck is your problem? I’m saying only the rich have rights

loulis ,

You should have opened with that.

infyrin ,
@infyrin@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah like some 95 or so years even after the artist died. That’s 95 years of profiting for greedy executives off of the death of musicians after they’re gone.

TwilightVulpine ,

More egregiously, corporations can and routinely do hire artists to make works, fire them, and keep ownership and profits for around a literal century beyond that.

Zeron ,

And they won’t stop there either. You bet your ass it’ll be extended again once more corporations start hitting those public domain limitations on works they care about.

howlongisleft ,

Well you have the right to remain silent. So there’s that.
Beyond that though I’m not really sure. I thought it was fairly clear in the US for a persons rights, but you guys are all over the place these days.

DieterParker , to world in Music labels sue Internet Archive over digitized record collection

They named 2,749 sound-recording copyrights that the Archive allegedly infringed.

collection includes more than 400,000 recordings.

Has anybody the list with the 2749 recordings in Question?

Burn_The_Right , to news in North Korea's Kim dismisses top general, calls for war preparations

Alternate Headline:

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stopthatgirl7 , to news in Italian government stands ready to host as Musk talks up Zuckerberg rumble
@stopthatgirl7@kbin.social avatar

I really need a giant meteor to crash into the planet already.

Damage , to technology in Music labels sue Internet Archive over digitized record collection

If you attack the internet archive you clearly are scum

Comment105 ,

It is in our democratic interest to vote against copyright law.

So why do we choose to keep copyright law, at least in its current iteration?

Are we really not interested in either abolishing or changing it? Is your brother, mother, uncle, grandfather, neighbor and colleague in favor of current copyright law?

linearchaos ,

We're not a democracy. the US government is 8 Million companies in a trenchcoat.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Remove the million.

ipkpjersi ,

So why do we choose to keep copyright law, at least in its current iteration?

Are we really not interested in either abolishing or changing it? Is your brother, mother, uncle, grandfather, neighbor and colleague in favor of current copyright law?

They have less money to bribe the government with than large corporations do.

Olap , to world in Music labels sue Internet Archive over digitized record collection

Copyright law to blame here. If the labels don’t defend it, then they could be sued themselves. Internet Archive shouldn’t be in America though, far too stringent

echo64 ,

That’s not how copyright law works. You don’t have to defend it or risk being sued.

Copyright law actually has specific exceptions for libraries and hasn’t been updated for the modern world, which is the actual problem.

Olap ,

Families of original holders will expect labels to do this

rikudou ,

You’re mistaking it with trademarks - those you have to defend or you lose them.

Olap ,

I am not. Survivors from these artists expect the labels to do this

chinpokomon ,

Seems like that should be a problem already. I have family that was in the music industry and collected royalties. They won a few Grammys, so the royalties were substantial. Their estate should not continue to receive royalties indefinitely. Hell, as much as I loved them, they shouldn’t be collecting indefinitely. They worked hard their entire life and because of that hard work, they deserved to live comfortably in retirement until they passed, but they weren’t owed anything they didn’t deserve. And as much as I love their kids, they’re family too, it isn’t as though they deserved any income for something their parent did decades earlier, before they had families of their own.

spacedance , to news in Italian government stands ready to host as Musk talks up Zuckerberg rumble

I’ll watch.

BruceTwarzen ,

Victim

Janis , to world in Music labels sue Internet Archive over digitized record collection

if you pay for music you feed a system that starves the artist. dont buy music. ever. but their merch, go to concerts or support them in other ways.

dept ,

and with concerts most the money goes to ticketmaster

Janis ,

in the US i heard its bad but taylor has enough to be no1 in aor pollution with that privat jet…so it might be still too much

Nihilore ,
@Nihilore@lemmy.world avatar

Unless the artist is on Bandcamp, buy their music there. On bandcamp fridays

VikingHippie , to world in Music labels sue Internet Archive over digitized record collection

Oh no, did the two huge companies hoarding the rights to the vast majority of popular music in the world while underpaying artists and overcharging everyone else lose some potential revenue?!

https://lemmy.wtf/pictrs/image/078d9d95-9405-4a4a-9e06-728d50302e04.jpeg

rikudou ,

Love the image!

Hupf ,

Way to !donthelpjustfilm, some people…

VikingHippie ,

Nah, that tardigrade is having TONS of fun playing the world’s smallest violin for Sony and Universal 😁

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