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Rhotisserie , to games in 5 years after shutting down, MOBA hero shooter Gigantic is coming back

Hell yeah, I loved this game! Reaching the end stage and watching as your giant opened up the enemy giant for the final push was always epic.

Hope it stays alive longer this time.

miniu , to gaming in 5 years after shutting down, MOBA hero shooter Gigantic is coming back

Cool idea to revive failed live services as non-bullshit single-pay games. So much work wasted otherwise. Could lead to some fine games :)

hoshikarakitaridia , to gaming in Gigantic is coming back?!

Same, I missed the beta by one day and I’m so hyped

eeyun OP ,
@eeyun@lemmy.world avatar

Here’s hoping it makes a splash and can stick around this time. I feel like unfortunately there are so many good games to be playing at any time these competitive online games are so much more likely to fail even if they’re extremely high quality.

simple , to games in PlayStation laying off 900 workers, closing PlayStation Studios London

It really is a bloodbath in the tech sector. I don’t understand where these thousands of people are even going to go considering major companies are on hiring freeze

caut_R ,

My pipe dream is a bunch of new indie studios forming out of all these layoffs and kicking publisher‘s asses on sales with new competent and passionate games.

…But I guess they‘d then probably sell to those publishers again and repeat…

KingThrillgore OP ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

The largest factor is lack of capital, which is something everyone is enduring due to the SVB collapse. This is a giant recession of the entire sector and I don’t see how it corrects any time soon.

TrainsAreCool ,

Some are saying it’ll correct this year, but I’m not holding my breath…

GlitterInfection ,

While breathing is cool, I have some hope that it will start correcting this year or next.

The big thing is that the raised interest rates have helped to prevent a real recession. So the real question is when can they come back down. I hope it starts this year even though it’ll likely take years to go back to what they were pre-pandemic, if the go that low again.

rubikcuber , to games in PlayStation laying off 900 workers, closing PlayStation Studios London
@rubikcuber@feddit.uk avatar

Wait, this Sony?

Sony’s profits up thanks to rising sales of music, games, movies and sensors. www.msn.com/en-ie/news/national/…/ar-BB1ifEUl

Carighan ,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah but as the shareholders get used to companies laying off workers to “cut costs”, any company not doing it sees their shares tank. Which is Not Ok™️, so they keep firing people so the execs can pay themselves bigger and bigger bonuses over high stock prices.

Diotima ,
@Diotima@kbin.social avatar

And when they again need people, they'll whine about how no one wants to work for them. Or how workers are "taking advantage."

dumpsterlid ,

No war but the class war

Shadywack , to games in PlayStation laying off 900 workers, closing PlayStation Studios London
@Shadywack@lemmy.world avatar

For those who will be leaving SIE: You are leaving this company with our deepest respect and appreciation for all your efforts during your tenure.

Now get the fuck outta here, you’re fired.

NoLifeKing , to piracy in Warner Bros. is now erasing games as it plans to delist Adult Swim-published titles

Whoever takes games down without license problems is a gigantic dickhead and makes no sense, even from a economic perspective its idiotic.

Redward ,

That’s because they are gonna succeed where others have failed, lunch their own game store /s

NoLifeKing ,

If they do that they will look like the biggest clown ever.

Auli ,

Tax write off like the movies and tv shows.

ColeSloth ,

These aren’t even games they (warn a brotha) own. Just a handful of games released through adult swim made and owned by other people.

Telorand , to piracy in Warner Bros. is now erasing games as it plans to delist Adult Swim-published titles

Relevant link for Small Radios Big Televisions.

melmi , to piracy in Warner Bros. is now erasing games as it plans to delist Adult Swim-published titles
@melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

So this is just a thing now? Removing media from the world?

They found out it works so now it’s gonna become a trend.

ogmios ,
@ogmios@sh.itjust.works avatar

That was always the point of digitizing the world. It’s crazy to me that people didn’t see it coming, but it’s nice that people are actually taking notice now.

refurbishedrefurbisher ,

But digitizing does have some benefits, like bit-for-bit archival, usually by a “third party”

ogmios ,
@ogmios@sh.itjust.works avatar

Sure there are good uses for it, but not the way we’ve been aggressively shoving it into every space we possibly can, consequences be damned.

Supermariofan67 ,

It was the point of software as a service and DRM

AlexWIWA ,

I think SaaS with fallback licenses is a good deal for everyone. But those are rare so I agree

Catsrules ,

I disagree, digitizing is what is saving a lot of the media. You can save hundreds of thousands of hours of videos and many games in a single 20TB drive today. You couldn’t do that without digital technology.

Viking_Hippie ,

In fact, the lack of digital storage is why, to name an infamous example, the only recordings of most episodes of the original Doctor Who show are from the private collections of viewers: the BBC, lacking both funding and storage space, were forced to record new content over episodes with no backup.

I hate it when luddites pine for the days of my childhood and early adulthood where the storage, transfer, and use of every single type of media was so damn impractical compared to now.

It’s like wanting to go back to horses and walking being the only forms of land transportation because some trains are loud 🤦

fushuan ,

Yeah, it’s bizarre reading people say they want physical games because if it’s not physical steam might remove it. Bro just download it and don’t delete it from your device, steam is offering a re-download service but nothing is stopping users from just downloading the game and keeping it in their disks.

fubbernuckin ,

Steam also gives you the option to archive your games in a format compatible with dvds.

fubbernuckin ,

It’s more like wanting to go back to horses and walking because some cars have started driving themselves to the manufacturer to be scrapped in the middle of the night, but i have to agree with you.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

Weve lost far more pre-digital copies of games than we have digital.

Physical media breaks and degrades, once they stop selling it in a store and your copy doesnt work anymore its gone forever.

Like you’re just so utterly wrong it’s mind boggling to see your comment upvoted by so many.

FiniteBanjo ,

You can make copies of physical media. Disk imaging isn’t some archaic sorcery lost to time, you know.

SkyeStarfall ,

Well, you can make copies of digital media too.

Sure, there’s DRM, but it doesn’t matter whether it’s digital or physical in that instance, DRM can be added either way.

FiniteBanjo ,

It is far easier to make an iso work than to crack a compiled program open and edit out its securities, and anybody who says otherwise has no idea what they’re talking about.

SkyeStarfall ,

Why do you think a game on a physical disk won’t have securities?

FiniteBanjo ,

Because it in its entirety can be run with a disk reader and associated hardware. At most it might ask for a license code, but otherwise any game that needs online connection via a proprietary app is just a digital good with extra steps.

SkyeStarfall ,

So the issue is about having DRM, not whether it’s sold on physical media or not. Digital games don’t necessarily need to have DRM either.

FiniteBanjo ,

How’s this for digital rights management: Warner Bros is erasing games from online retailers entirely. Which they cannot do with physical media.

You must have forgotten where you even were.

SkyeStarfall ,

And if you have the game downloaded, you still have the files. Just as much as you have a disk.

On the other hand, disks stop being produced far sooner than digital games stop being sold/hosted.

FiniteBanjo ,

If you download the game through a client or other proprietary software then in all likelyhood it does not function without that client. Meaning you don’t have the game. You have a fragment of the game.

FiniteBanjo ,

I was talking about how this would happen for about a decade, since the decline of popularity of physical media. Nobody listens.

Kbin_space_program ,

They've been trying for at least 30 years, probably closer to 50-60 TBH.

One of the concepts they(RIAA/MPAA) were looking into for the entire CD/DVD era was the idea of a time-limited disk that would only work for a short period of time before becoming unreadable.

By the time they got it working, Steam was already a thing and distribution through physical media was on the way out.

Now they control movie theaters through streaming. They stream the movies to the theaters, the theaters rarely get physical or even digital copies anymore. It just gets streamed right to the projector.

Thorned_Rose ,
@Thorned_Rose@kbin.social avatar

They also monitor outbound streaming. I've twice had a documentary movie I was watching at a theatre stopped because so one was supposedly live streaming the movie to the internet. The second time it happened they stopped the movie until the person doing it stopped, only it turned out they made a mistake and no one was live streaming it at all - they just interrupted the movie for fucking ages because of wanky attitudes. What made it even more stupid was that it was a special screening for a one off event AND a pretty niche documentary that most people wouldn't give a fuck about let alone pirate 🙄

SeaJ , (edited )

At least the developer for Small Radios Big Televisions is handing it out for free now. Looks like a pretty decent game.

Grimpen ,

The developer of another game distributed by WB, Fist Puncher, commented on the Ars Technica story about this.

Found it, it’s the “Promoted Comment” now.

therealmattkain I’m one of the creators and developers of Fist Puncher which was also published by Adult Swim on Steam. We received the same notice from Warner Bros. that Fist Puncher would be retired. When we requested that Warner Bros simply transfer the game over to our studio’s Steam publisher account so that the game could stay active, they said no. The transfer process literally takes a minute to initiate (look up “Transferring Applications” in the Steamworks documentation), but their rep claimed they have simply made the universal decision not to transfer the games to the original creators.

This is incredibly disappointing. It makes me sad to think that purchased games will presumably be removed from users’ libraries. Our community and our players have 10+ years of discussions, screenshots, gameplay footage, leaderboards, player progress, unlocked characters, Steam achievements, Steam cards, etc. which will all be lost. We have Kickstarter backers who helped fund Fist Puncher (even some who have cameo appearances in the game) who will eventually no longer be able to play it. We could just rerelease Fist Puncher from our account, but we would likely receive significant backlash for relaunching a game and forcing users to “double dip” and purchase the game again (unless we just made it free).

Again, this is really just disappointing. It seems like more and more the videogame industry is filled with people that don’t like and don’t care about videogames. All that to say, buy physical games, make back-ups, help preserve our awesome industry and art form. March 7, 2024 at 12:51 am

arstechnica.com/…/its-kind-of-depressing-wb-disco…

Auli ,

Why would anybody work with Warner brothers now.

amanaftermidnight ,

IIRC Steam lets people who purchased (or rather add to their library) a game access to it indefinitely. A famous example was second party side-scrolling half-life game named Codename Gordon. It’s delisted but still available with the right steam command. I personally also have a source mod on steam on my account where it had been delisted due to potential lawsuit but I can still play it if I wanted.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

IIRC Steam lets people who purchased (or rather add to their library) a game access to it indefinitely.

That has definitely been the case with at least some games in the past that publishers removed. I am not aware of any cases where a game that someone purchased stops being available.

That being said, I kind of suspect that if it’s not possible to buy it any more, an existing player probably isn’t going to be getting much by way of any fixes at that point, but that’s gonna be the case for any game at some point.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

pirate stuff you want to preserve

mrmacduggan , to piracy in Warner Bros. is now erasing games as it plans to delist Adult Swim-published titles

That’s all, folks!

TommySoda , to piracy in Warner Bros. is now erasing games as it plans to delist Adult Swim-published titles

Not sure whether they will remove it entirely or just delist it. I love Steam and the convenience of it and the majority of my games are on Steam. But this is why we should be able to own our games. You never know when your favorite game decides to do something like this.

catloaf ,

I don’t think any games have been completely removed from Steam. In cases like this, they stop new purchases, but anyone who already has it keeps it.

s38b35M5 ,
@s38b35M5@lemmy.world avatar

This comment seems to imply that at least some titles won’t function after the delisting, perhaps related to servers, perhaps not.

jabathekek ,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

AFAIK none of my steam games are only accessible through steam servers. All of my games are installed on-site in my HDD and I really don’t think Steam can uninstall them without my knowledge or consent. E.g. I can play any one of my games without an internet connection.

catloaf ,

Any game that uses Steamworks or other DRM will not be playable offline (without first putting Steam into offline mode, for Steamworks games, maybe others).

WarmSoda ,

99% of games you can install in its own folder and run forever (thus own it forever) And like the other person said games you own on steam are there after they’ve stopped being sold if you already own it. I have a few that don’t exist in the store anymore.

Shit practices like devs replacing games with new ones is a lot harder to circumvent though.

haui_lemmy ,

The largest issue is resale imo. If a game just isnt for me, I should be able to resell it. I hope the EU goes after this topic in the future.

Ganbat ,

The problem is, that doesn’t make sense for digital media. A large part of resales is media degradation. You pay less, but you take a risk upon yourself for it. Being able to refund a game that isn’t for you seems fair, though.

haui_lemmy ,

I keep hearing the most out of touch arguments for not owning what you buy, this being one of them.

Again, you buy something, you own it. I dont give a damn what the company thinks about that and if „resale“ works well or not. I buy game, after use, I sell it. Returning a game that isnt for you is separate.

Ptsf ,

You bought an exclusive license to play their game, they retain ownership of the digital information and in some cases the actual physical media. Actual ownership has been ‘dead’ for a long time now. I don’t like it. Yes, buy elsewhere if you can but we’re already past the point of consumers being able to influence this outcome with companies legally able to redefine “own” and “buy” via their ToS (not really visible to the consumer) to mean whatever best suits them.

haui_lemmy ,

I dont know why you feel the need to elaborate on this. I didnt ask. I know that this exists and it should be illegal. As I said, I hope the EU goes after this hard.

Also, the DMA is a big fuck you to all the „vote with your feet“ folks that try to shift blame to consumers. „No, it was actually the company responsible“. I loved that and hope this will go on.

Ptsf ,

Honestly! Not sure. 🤷‍♂️

trafficnab ,

In the EU at least, companies can say whatever they want in their ToS, it doesn’t change the fact that you legally own your digital games

Ptsf ,

Must me nice 😭

NocturnalMorning , to piracy in Warner Bros. is now erasing games as it plans to delist Adult Swim-published titles

They don’t realize by doing stuff like this they are pushing people back to piracy.

halcyoncmdr ,
@halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

In the wise words of Gaben: "One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue.”

SeaJ ,

Abandonware has been a thing for a long time.

moody ,

This is not abandonware. The devs haven’t abandoned their games. This is an active and purposeful fuck you from the publisher to the devs.

It costs them literally nothing to keep those games up, and yet they’re taking them down against the devs’ wishes. In fact, they refuse to be the least bit convenient to the devs, making them jump through hoops just to relist their own games.

Maeve ,

They know. They will sue.

Wes_Dev ,

Step 1 - Push people to piracy.

Step 2 - Complain to lawmakers about rampant piracy.

Step 3 - Get governments to outlaw and shut down piracy sources, compatible technologies, and generally force more authoritarian standards and laws.

Step 4 - P2P starts to die. Piracy starts to condense around large hubs.

Step 5 - Make money suing the only large hubs of piracy that still exist, and shut them down.

Step 6 - Profit from lack of competition and ability to force DRM into everything.

Danterious ,

Why do you think step 4 will happen?

FrostyCaveman ,

Because of Step 3.

Anti porn laws, “child protection” laws, cryptographic attestation of client devices (windows 11 TPM requirement anyone), it’s all headed in a very scary authoritarian direction

Wes_Dev ,

It already is. For example, it’s basically impossible to run your own email server these days, because most big email providers just block residential IPs to reduce spam.

Lots of ISPs block or heavily filter things like torrents.

Your ISP might decide you having a personal server at home is against their terms and force you to make a business account. They don’t want people uploading, only downloading.

Some countries are trying to weaken or ban encryption across the board.

And this is only slightly related, but things like websites that let you watch movies or shows are dying. They either all share the same server for video, or they just copy the files from each other. If you find one and watch a video with a little glitch, you’re likely to find that same glitch in all the other websites too. Think things like TV logos, audio suddenly changing language for a few seconds, scan lines on old VHS or TV recordings, etc… There used to be a lot, but now all the small players are being sued or shut down, and only the largest ones are still alive. The noose is tightening.

trafficnab ,

Chopping the heads off the hydra will kill it this time, for sure

Wes_Dev ,

Problem is that one day, it will. I’m old enough to be able to see the difference in how much freedom has been lost online.

It’s not impossible. North Korea exists. There’s nothing stopping the rest of the world from adopting the same authoritarian regulations and technology bans.

That’s why people need to be involved in their governments; elections, local regulations, and what have you. It’s easy to complain that things aren’t perfect, or that you don’t like any of the options; but being part of the process, long term, is the only real way to fix that. The more people that give up and say they don’t care, the faster corruption infects everything and ruins what good is there. And trying to be clever and say that “one side is just as bad as the other” is not only a selfish lie people tell themselves to feel better about not doing anything, but it actively helps the authoritarians claim power.

The only thing that staves off corruption and authoritarianism is when the people being governed get involved and stay vigilant. Even small things like school board elections matter down the road.

You want to have a free internet? Then vote in school board elections. Seriously.

nieceandtows , to piracy in Warner Bros. is now erasing games as it plans to delist Adult Swim-published titles

Disney should sue WB for their Thanos imitation

Maoo , to piracy in Warner Bros. is now erasing games as it plans to delist Adult Swim-published titles
@Maoo@hexbear.net avatar

Finally someone is standing up to the woke mob. Thank you, WB conglomerate! You are the true underdog.

Thrift3499 ,

I wish more people left the /s off.

Asafum ,

With Poes Law and all it’s kinda dumb to do that. Without hearing the tone it’s too easy to think they’re seriously stupid.

WarmSoda ,

Right. Thank God Shakespeare added /s to his plays.

Ganbat ,

Plays include tone from the actors. Similarly, books include tone from context. One sentence does not.

WarmSoda ,

I recommend you learn how to understand context. Otherwise I can’t help you with basic language skills.

Ganbat , (edited )

I recommend you learn how to make an argument that actually suits the context before commenting on the media literacy of others.

🤡

WarmSoda ,

You mad you can’t grasp English?

520 ,

He's got a point though. Shakespeare goes into painstaking details to set up contexts and the portrayal of character emotions with the limited tools he had (remember these are 15th century plays).

A Reddit/Mastodon comment has very little background information to work from. You may know the comment they're replying to, but you don't know the content of their character. Are they a bit of a facetious troll? Do they genuinely believe what they are writing? Chances are you'll never know unless they explicitly state it.

Text communications also lack the nuances of vocal tones, of facial expressions, of body language. We have to explicitly state our emotions over text, and that's something many people aren't used to doing.

Like how I rolled my eyes when you said 'I recommend you learn how to understand context.', to which the main reasonable response is often 'what context? There is too often no context that decisively points one way or another'.

WarmSoda ,

I’m sorry, but if someone’s defense is “I can’t read” there’s not much you can do to help them.

520 , (edited )

It's not that they can't read, it's that you didn't put enough info in there to distinguish it from the genuine article.

If, for example, I were to satirise an antivaxxer over text (like here!) without being able to use any giveaway symbols like /s or alternate casing, I would have to go for the most batshit insane example, to the point where its not funny, just stupid. Something like 'I got vaccinated and turned into a fucking velociraptor. Jurassic Park is real! Don't believe the lies!'

Fair enough if that's your humour, but if I try to go for anything more subtle than this, I can easily be mistaken for a genuine antivaxxer, because it's not far off the BS they actually spew. In real life I can put on an exaggerated Karen voice with exaggerated resting-bitch-face and people will know I'm playing a character, rather than espousing my genuine beliefs. I can't do that over text though, so what's the alternative?

WarmSoda ,

I didn’t make the comment

zarkanian ,
@zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

Similarly, books include tone from context. One sentence does not.

So, use more than one sentence.

Alto ,
@Alto@kbin.social avatar

Ah yes, because something you know ahead of time is a comedy/tragegy/what have you is totally the same as randoms on the internet

zarkanian ,
@zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

How do you know that, though?

520 ,

He actually did. Shakespeare's plays are meant to be portrayed by actors and not read as a book, so there is plenty of written notes for how the actors should be expressing when they say their lines.

zarkanian ,
@zarkanian@sh.itjust.works avatar

Announcing your sarcasm defeats sarcasm. If your sarcasm can’t be inferred through context or some other means, the solution is simple…just don’t be sarcastic.

adhdplantdev , to piracy in Warner Bros. is now erasing games as it plans to delist Adult Swim-published titles

Tax codes and capitalism at it finest. Companies gonna company

blindsight , (edited )

Yeah, this reeks of the Disney news last year about removing a show they own from their platform so they can write it off as a loss and/or to stop paying residuals.

BearOfaTime ,

Residuals.

That’s is right there.

Push consumers into the next thing, which will have less residual cost or even none thanks to AI (that’s the thought process, we’ll see if it works)

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