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kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E , to aboringdystopia in The state of the discourse.

That’s because apparently someone decided, without discussion, that setting military headquarters in a hospital - where babies are born - is absolutely fine and moral move.

neeshie ,

Has there even been any evidence of that?

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E ,
neeshie ,

I mean independently verified. The idf has a history of lying and some of the stuff mentioned in that article has already been disproven.

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E ,

What’s your explanation for the video in the article? AI-generated? Doctor’s fire exit? Aliens?

neeshie ,

Wow, a tunnel near a hospital. There’s tunnels under my university too. Should the idf siege it?What I’m asking for is clear evidence that Hamas was using the hospital as a command center. I still haven’t seen any of that.

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E ,

Oh yup gotcha. i am stopping here, calling my buddies in Hamas for confirmation

neeshie ,

Go ahead. Maybe release another phone convo between Hamas militant one and Hamas militant 2?

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/9b473ea3-8c60-4f27-8f55-d2af75e0545f.jpeg

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E ,

Truly unbelievable!! They finally confirmed

cypherpunks ,
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Sparlock ,

Perhaps get them to send you their hostage watching schedule / calendar that the IDF was showing off as evidence too. Or the the mysteriously multiplying guns and “one take” “no editing” english video that has edits in it…

June , (edited )

Yea there’s no consensus that the ‘evidence’ produced is reliable. At first IDF showed the hatch to a water cistern and said it was the hatch to the network of tunnels. This new photo could just be a hole in the ground. The tour through the MRI room and truck loaded with weapons could be easily planted. Independent investigations like Forensic Architecture have found discrepancies and raised questions over the legitimacy of IDFs claims. Al Jazeera has reported that IDF had misreported facts to build a narrative.

US intelligence agrees that Hamas was operating out of the hospital, but there not much else backing up these claims right now.

**edited to remove a bad source

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E ,

"Cobb-Smith has joined with the most politicized anti-Israel NGOs in pushing false or unsubstantiated accusations of Israeli violations of the laws of war […] In particular, he circulated false claims (“there was no tactical reason; there was no reasonable use of that weapon system”) as well as claims (later discredited) that the IDF used white phosphorous “in an illegal manner.” Similarly, he has been involved with the campaigns of the anti-Israel NGO known as Forensic Architecture.

Oh okey, I understand better what you mean by “not much to back those claims”

June ,

I did some quick searches on him and saw he was with amnesty international. This didn’t come up for me. I’ll remove him as a reference. Appreciate the insight to him.

Maggoty ,

They pulled that from a site called NGO-Monitor. It’s a right wing Israeli outlet that exists specifically to dismiss claims from international NGOs. It’s about as credible as the government itself denying it committed crimes.

June ,

Eh, either way, discrediting him doesn’t discredit my argument.

Maggoty ,

Except there’s very credible evidence Israel uses WP illegally. There’s literally photos of it available online. Is that the IDF calling him biased or what?

Karyoplasma ,

mediabiasfactcheck.com/ngo-monitor-bias/

Overall, we rate the NGO Monitor Right biased based on support for the right-wing Israeli government. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting based on the consistent promotion of pro-Israeli propaganda

ZombieTheZombieCat ,

“IDF says…”

Of course. What reason would they have to lie? /s

Maybe we should wait until there’s been a more neutral investigation before deciding it’s one hundred percent true.

What I never understand about major news stories is that so many people take everything they see at face value and then consider it indisputable fact. When there’s an international war going on, no one thinks that just maybe we’re only getting a fraction of reality communicated to us? That it must be the worst game of telephone in terms of accuracy? But then if someone even suggests that maybe there’s more to the story, they’re conspiracy theorists or they get told what “side” they’re on.

We should all be at least somewhat discerning. There’s so many different actors with interests in this war. We have no idea what else could be going on that we will never, ever hear about, nor how much spin is being put on the stuff we do hear about.

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E ,

Do you really think only you had this thought? Don’t you think this is exactly what I think about your opinions? And telling this in my face literally does nothing because I am just as convinced that you gobble up Al-Jazeera/Hamas propaganda as, supposedly, I am gobbling up Israeli propaganda?

Come down to Earth buddy

Sparlock ,

You are wildly bad faith all over the comments, wow.

You went too “down to earth” and need to pull your head outta sand or whatever dark hole you have it shoved into.

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E ,

If you consider logical implications “a bad faith” we have nothing to talk about

Sparlock ,

If you consider putting words in peoples mouths and strawmanning their positions “a good faith” we have nothing to talk about.

AMDIsOurLord ,

He said, believing the IOF, who has killed Palestinians with absolute impunity, and lying through the teeth about it

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E ,

Huh?

masquenox ,

Don’t forget the hasbara bots upvoting him!

TheSanSabaSongbird ,

What would convince you? Based on what I can glean from various sources, it seems at least likely that the claim is true. I also don’t see what incentive the Israelis have to lie about it.

panda_paddle ,

While it does seem plausible. You don’t see what incentive the Israelis have to lie about it? Really?

TheSanSabaSongbird ,

Well think about it for a moment. What I mean is that they already know that they will be accused of lying regardless, so why bother “fabricating” an ambiguous account when they could just as easily lie and claim that they found a giant Hamas command center?

In other words, they have no incentive to lie about the attack having achieved ambiguous results unless they are actually telling the truth. If you are going to lie, and if you know you won’t be believed regardless, why not go whole hog?

Again, they have no incentive to half-ass it unless they’re simply stating the truth.

Maggoty ,

If they don’t have something believable then the Boycott, Divest, and Sanction movement will cut off their Western support and see them on trial in the Hague.

Getting the lie right or persuading the world they really really did believe this has literal existential consequences for the politicians and generals.

olympicyes ,

Historians call that the Criterion of Embarrassment.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Sure where is the evidence of all those tunnels? Get outta here IDF shill.

zbyte64 ,
@zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It’s under all the rubble, just like the Intel on where the hostages are. 🙄

ammonium ,
Maggoty ,

OMG Guys a large hospital has maintenance tunnels!

Until they release the drone footage of a command center down there it’s just infrastructure they’re making shit up about.

buddascrayon ,

So then when terrorists use human shields, which in this case include literal babies, it’s okay to ignore the human shields and just indiscriminately attack?

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E ,

I didn’t say “it was okey”. I said i do understand why that happens. I am also saying Israel takes some steps to limit the number of civil victims, while Hamas takes none

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Hamas has a different agenda. It’s an asymmetrical conflict. The intention of Hamas and Hezbollah is to provoke Israel into a genocide. Hiding among the trees to incite Netanyahu to burn down the forest.

They want nothing more then to get on video Israeli forces massacring thousands of Palestinian civilians.

So for Hamas, it’s Christmas.

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E ,

What was the correct response, according to you?

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Not bombing a hospital.

I’m not an expert. So I’d defer to Lt. General James Glynn, survivor of Fallujah on how to approach the situation in Gaza.

I’d also refer to centuries of counter-insurgency that notes that massacring civilians only drives more recruits to the enemy cause, often recruits who are willing to engage in suicide missions.

Even leaving the hospital intact and doing nothing was a better option, and in fact, Israel is not fighting a war of desperation, and can actually afford to approach violence with deliberation and consideration.

The reason Netanyahu is behaving like Trump or George W. Bush is because he likes the idea of rushing in with stormtroopers and crushing the enemy, not because it’s actually a good idea. And that’s why Hezbollah provoked him in the first place.

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E ,

I am not a fan of Netanyahu/Trump/Bush neither, however you only described what not to do.

I am still convinced that taking out Hamas out of Gaza is the viable long term solution. I don’t know about the hospital, and believe IDF knows better than me

uriel238 ,
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Actually I said doing nothing would be better than what they did so that is, compared to bombing a hospital, a viable alternative.

Getting Hamas out of Gaza is going to be like getting white supremacists out of the US. It’s virtually impossible, but when the hearts and minds of the public are not pissed off due to poor governance, they can be reduced to a fringe group.

So if Israel stopped its thousand-year religious resentment plan, provided relief and then promoted equal treatment of the Palestinian public (installed enforcement of civil rights) that would do a tuckfun to reduce the significance of Hamas, Hezbollah or any other terrorist groups Iran or Russia might throw into the mix.

But this requires the right-wing identity groups in Israel giving up their ethnostate and modernizing their attitude — what is a challenge even for the EU and US (though the US stopped trying over a century ago).

So I’m going to watch Israel bath Gaza in the blood of Palistianians and make the rest of the world sick to their stomachs, and we’ll all promise, yet again, never to let this happen, to never forget.

See, the consequences of Israel jackbooting like every other imperialist is built into the paradigm. Sadly it’ll also add fuel to the antisemitic fires already igniting across the world. The thing is, Netanyahu and the IDF have bought the ticket to ride, as if no lives they cared about were actually in the balance.

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E ,

Alright, you do have sensible arguments. I based my opinion on the fact that Hamas could be taken down, just like ISIS was. I don’t have a crystal ball telling me if that gonna succeed, as it did with ISIS, or not.

Congratulations you seeded a grain of a doubt in the mind of a Random Internet Stranger, this might as well be counted as victory.

uriel238 ,
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The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, curiously, is still around and still has its labor camps. It’s just doesn’t have any support (that I’ve heard for a while) from international interests, and no-one want to touch it. So yeah, this is an end result that can occur.

The point is not to win over random internet strangers, but to get as many people as possible at the same place in the dialog. Providing support and fair governance to a people to quell unrest is a centuries old COIN method. When we have the resources (in the case of Gaza, we have some that would absolutely help) the question is what the obstructions are getting them to the people so they can breathe easier. That usually comes down to political interests who want them to suffer for spite (we saw that with the George W. Bush administration and anything that looked remotely Arab or Muslim) and those who want them to be angry and violent. Sometimes there’s intersection between these.

Right now, here in the States, hate is deliberately being used to manipulate voters, and at the same time I think we can’t really call ourselves a unified society unless we’re at least trying to cooperate towards mutual benefit. And this informs my own bias.

duffman ,

The goal of Hamas is not to provoke isreal into a genocide, it’s to make people think israel is committing a genocide. It’s definitely working.

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Do you think what is happening is something different?

Not_Alec_Baldwin ,

First of all, you’re either ignorant or an idiot if you think what Israel is doing is “indiscriminate”.

More importantly, what’s your superior moral alternative when a force breaches borders, murders hundreds, and takes and holds hundreds more as hostages, and then retreats to the cover of hospitals and schools in a dense city?

BradleyUffner ,

More importantly, what’s your superior moral alternative when a force breaches borders, murders hundreds, and takes and holds hundreds more as hostages, and then retreats to the cover of hospitals and schools in a dense city?

Let’s do a little thought experiment here. Say that everything happened exactly as before except this time they retreated and hid inside Israeli hospitals and schools, on the Israeli side of the border, full of Israeli citizens. Do you think Israel would attack those terrorists in the same way?

Not_Alec_Baldwin ,

Probably not, because those would be THEIR hospitals. There would be no tunnel system, no munitions stores, etc etc.

Your “gotcha” thought experiment is asking whether or not a country should treat the enemy country with equal caution to their own. Did you even consider it before asking it?

smooth_tea ,

Does that force come from a people who’ve been deprived of everything, forced into a system of apartheid, robbed of their freedom and routinely bullied, tortured and killed for half a century?

That seems to be an important factor to just leave out of the equation.

“Pick up the gun…” - Bill Hicks

Not_Alec_Baldwin ,

No. Obviously? And it’s irrelevant. There’s no symmetry here.

If Hamas puts down their guns there would be peace.

If Israel puts down there guns there would be no Israel.

smooth_tea ,

Only a Hasbara clown or a complete idiot would utter such stupidity, congrats.

WaxedWookie ,

Putting aside the lack of evidence of this, and the Israeli government’s history of being caught lying about this kind of thing, how many civilians is it defensible to kill per Hamas militant, and does the calculus change if they’re children?

…or are we taking the super credible IDF line and saying the infants are Hamas militants?

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E ,

Putting aside existing evidence for it

There isn’t a specific count. Just like there is no count for “how many Russian civilians has to die for each Ukrainian soldier”. Israel didn’t ask this war, Hamas did. Hamas is in charge of Gaza, not Israel.

lud ,

Oppression breeds war.

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E ,

a vacuous truth.

WaxedWookie ,

Why would you defend the maintenance of an open air concentration to house millions of children (among others)?

WaxedWookie ,

You understand that the Israeli government funded Hamas over the PLO, don’t you? Netanyahu signed the death warrant on his own citizens to create the pretext for the genocide he’s now accelerating - Netanyahu and the Israeli government did ask for this war.

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E ,

Okey that is a valid argument! Second one in a dozen of comments or so

Yes i know this mofo funded hamas and hope he ll pay for it. However, the attack on 7 October happened on Israeli territory, not the opposite. That’s still a “defensive operation” in my understanding.

WaxedWookie ,

I really don’t like this argument (defensive genocide? Come on.), but it’s one for Palestine in any case - look at the Israeli operation of Palestine as an open air concentration camp, and look at the casualty stats - between a dozen and five hundred Palestinian casualties per Israeli casualty, depending on your datasource and the way you slice it. This would justify the 7 October attack as defensive - which they weren’t.

Again, if you combine all that with the fact what Israel have backed the IDF, and the fact that Israel are a nuclear power with an advanced military, and f35s (compared to a paraglider and small-arms) how do you conclude that this is defensive?

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E ,

I reject your second argument: the fact that one army is light years ahead of their opponent does not automatically make «offensive» whatever they do, nor does it mean that the advanced army should not fight at all. Good for them to be advanced

Regarding your first point, and the fact that there are so many civil victims for so «few» Israeli victims: agreed there are many. With some gotchas:

  • a non zero number of those civilians are only «civilians» because Hamas said so. It is a known fact they count their own fighters as «civilians». I do not deny that there are indeed, true civil victims. Israel has a record of letting people know where they attack in advance, so they do have some good will credit.
  • When you have a terrorist nest, next to your house, I think it’s pretty sensible to go in, and reduce their capacity to do harm. Most comments here reject even the fact that Israel had a right in first place to even enter the Gaza. I do believe they have total right to do so.
  • a genocide is a deliberate killing of civilians. Only Hamas deliberately targets civilians. IDF obviously could take more care in avoiding unnecessary death, but they don’t kill for fun as much as I know
  • It strikes to me that not as much pressure is put on Hamas for taking care of their citizen as it is on Israel. Hamas is ruling there, maybe Gaza’s citizens should somehow be involved in solving their problems?

I am not here to justify every death of every kid in Gaza, but I do say that Israel was provoked, and we are in «find out» phase of «fuck around», and yes, I reject the notion of «genocide»

Sparlock , (edited )

a genocide is a deliberate killing of civilians. Only Hamas deliberately targets civilians. IDF obviously could take more care in avoiding unnecessary death, but they don’t kill for fun as much as I know

Genocide is any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:


<span style="color:#323232;">    (a) Killing members of the group;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span>

Sure seems like Israel is trying to get a full bingo card on this one even if you reject the notion of «genocide».

And before you go for the “intent” get out of jail free card…

Israel’s Public Diplomacy Minister: “Erase all of Gaza from the face of the earth. That the Gazan monsters will fly to the southern fence & try to enter Egyptian territory or they will die & their death will be evil.

Gaza should be erased!”

Still questioning a genocidal intent?

How about Bibi Netanyahu saying “You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. 1 Samuel 15:3 ‘Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass’," .

Defense Minister Yoav Gallant called residents of Gaza, about half of whom are children, “human animals” as he ordered a “complete siege” on the enclave including a total blockade of food, fuel, and electricity.

Former military officer Eliyahu Yossian said the IDF must enter Gaza “with the aim of revenge, zero morality, maximum corpses,” and toldChannel 14 in Israel on Monday that “there is no population in Gaza, there are 2.5 million terrorists.”

Earlier this year, Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said at an event in Paris, “There’s no such thing as Palestinians because there’s no such thing as a Palestinian people.” He also said the West Bank town of Huwara should be “wiped out” by “the state of Israel,” while Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presented a map of what he called “The New Middle East”—without the illegally occupied West Bank, Gaza, or East Jerusalem—at the United Nations General Assembly just weeks before the onslaught in Gaza began.

Sure seems like a pattern of intent. I could find you that video of Bibi back in 2002 saying much the same if you like. This isn’t new.

WaxedWookie ,

the fact that one army is light years ahead of their opponent does not automatically make «offensive» whatever they do, nor does it mean that the advanced army should not fight at all. Good for them to be advanced

It speaks to their moral culpability, the irrelevance of Hamas’ genocidal intent, and the indefensible lack of proportionality in their response. I’m a 6’7" grown-ass man. If a 2 year old kicks me in the shin, after I’ve locked them in a cage and poked them aggressively with a stick, me beating their skull to a paste isn’t a defensible response - same applies to Israel.

a non zero number of those civilians are only «civilians» because Hamas said so. It is a known fact they count their own fighters as «civilians». I do not deny that there are indeed, true civil victims.

Similarly, Israel has been caught lying about who is a Hamas militant (they’re also making claims that every Palestinian is Hamas) - I don’t think you’re dumb or bad faith enough to argue this is at a level that changes things, so unless you’re going to argue otherwise, there’s not a point to engage here.

Israel has a record of letting people know where they attack in advance, so they do have some good will credit.

“Sure - I bombed all those schools, but I called on a bomb threat on a few of them first, so aren’t I really the good guy?” No.

When you have a terrorist nest, next to your house, I think it’s pretty sensible to go in, and reduce their capacity to do harm.

Can you define terrorist in a way that implicates Palestine and not Israel? I ask because Israel is killing far more innocent civilians than Hamas in addition to indiscriminately fucking over Palestine by cutting movement, trade, water, power, and rendering it uninhabitable with deadly consequences.

a genocide is a deliberate killing of civilians.

You’re disagreeing with the UN definition

Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Only Hamas deliberately targets civilians.

No. Even if this were true, how many civilians are they killing per militant? 100:1? Knowing the proportion of kids killed is pretty squarely in line with the broader population, what makes you think they’re targeting Hamas? They’ve also killed 100 journalists and 48 aid workers. This is indefensible - please don’t try.

It strikes to me that not as much pressure is put on Hamas for taking care of their citizen as it is on Israel

Israel is responsible for Hamas - they propped them up over the PLO, created the oppressive conditions that would lead to sympathy for their goals - Fatah/the PLO would be in power if Israel didn’t decide to create the pretext for this genocide at the expense of Israeli lives. What would Palestine pushing back against Hamas look like when half the population are children? They’re not responsible for taking away Israel’s flimsy justification for driving them from their homes and slaughtering them.

I am not here to justify every death of every kid in Gaza, but I do say that Israel was provoked, and we are in «find out» phase of «fuck around», and yes, I reject the notion of «genocide»

That toddler kicked me after I tortured them, so I was justified in stomping their skull into a paste - fuck around and find out… What’s proportionality? You’re doing a lot of work to defend a genocide for someone that’s opposed to genocide - but you disagree with the UN on the definition, and think this is justified, so that shouldn’t come as a surprise.

Sparlock ,

He’s been bad faith all over this thread while pretending to be genuinely discussing things.

He’s not gonna give any response that isn’t either apologetic clap-trap or straight up BS.

It takes a special kind of vile to defend genocide…

FourPacketsOfPeanuts ,

up to 2005 UN, EU, America, Russia, Israel and a host of middle east intermediates like Qatar: provide aid to Gaza to encourage economic growth, is inevitably siphoned off by Hamas and others for military purposes

2006: UN, EU, America, Russia, Israel: “dear Hamas totes congrats on winning an election, wonder if you could abandon your pledge to genocide Israel and pick up the two state solution discussions where Fatah got up to? Else…y’know… we’ll have to cut aid and stuff coz that’s a bit terroristy”

Hamas: “Fuck you infidel! We look forward to strangling your children in their bed” incoherent yelling

UN, EU, America, Russia: deep sigh

Israel: cuts aid, blockades Gaza

Egypt: also blockades Gaza Yo you Hamas bois are batshit insane, no way we’re having an open border with you “Muslim brothers”…

Western social science students: why would Israel do this?

WaxedWookie ,

I’ll keep this simple.

You have a bunch of genocidal dipshits welding small arms embedded in a civilian population, propped up by a genocidal nuclear power with a modern military and F-35s.

  • Which has the ability to deliver on that genocidal intent, and has been wiping out the other at a rate of between a dozen and five hundred to one over the past few decades?
  • Why did Israel prop up Hamas over the moderate, secular PLO, who wouldn’t murder Israelis?
dx1 ,

It’s interesting how this leaves out 17 years of choking supplies of food and water to the civilian population of Gaza, the Israeli occupation and settlements in Gaza prior to 2005, the fact that that illegal occupation had been ongoing for 38 years despite international outcry, the naval blockade amounting to an act of war of its own, and really the whole broader context of the population of Gaza being displaced by ethnic cleansing by Israel since 1948.

Maggoty ,

I must have missed the part of the Geneva Conventions that says, “unless they started it.”

Oh wait, no I didn’t. Because it’s not fucking there.

Cannacheques ,

Israel at least has a government and a democracy, and the government even has been somewhat honest with the NSO group and their crappy spyware tools - though I’m not sure why any of this needs to involve bombing hospitals or why “a functional democracy” has to be defended with such fervour, but hey at least we can hold onto the hope that democracy itself will mean that there will be a degree of accountability for those in power

smooth_tea ,

A government with officials who openly admit to wanting to eradicate what’s left of the Palestinians.

lingh0e ,

Killing a building full of women and children to go after a group of people who may or may not be in said building after they killed women and children…

Two unscrupulous groups are willing to murder innocent civilians. Sounds like two groups of terrorists.

Fuck Hammas, fuck the IDF. I’m absolutely fine with them killing each other. I’m not okay with the fact that they’re both using innocent civilians as pawns.

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E ,

That’s a point of view I am willing to accept

TheOriginalGregToo ,

The difference being the IDF has consistently gone to pretty significant lengths to warn civilians and give them time to evacuate. Hamas has not and in fact specifically targets civilians. These groups are not the same.

kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E ,

Hamas supporters hate this one trick!

CosmicCleric , (edited )
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The difference being the IDF has consistently gone to pretty significant lengths to warn civilians and give them time to evacuate.

True, but then to bombard from the air destroying whole buildings and killing many civilians to get to a few combatants under the building is not an ethical or moral move either. You don’t get a get out of jail free card for notifying up front, you have to follow through.

Telling someone to evacuate is not enough, you have to verify they have evacuated. If they have not, you should be instead sending in ground troops, and yes with a larger cost in lives and political turmoil, but that is the ethical way.

Non-combatants are not supposed to be involved in combat.

Maggoty ,

Bullshit. There’s evidence of some warnings but with literally thousands of air strikes a week there literally isn’t the resources to warn everyone like they did during the “cease fire”. And you don’t get 10,000 civilians dead in a month by warning them.

TheOriginalGregToo ,

Last I saw Hamas wasn’t troubling themselves with giving ANY warnings. I’d say some>none. Where is the moral equivalence you so desperately want?

Maggoty ,

It doesn’t matter how much you warn them if there’s no military presence. The warnings they do give are nothing but a fig leaf to cover up war crimes

Cannacheques ,

Tactical placement and all haha

dx1 ,

We need a hell of a lot more evidence to support that than we’ve seen, it would still run into major problems with proportionality/distinction standards regarding all the civilians they killed in and around the hospital, and it wouldn’t make a scratch with regard to the other civilian infrastructure they’ve targeted.

JayDee , to lemmyshitpost in What a ripoff!

NGL I don’t like sushi but that fried sushi looking pretty appetizing.

TheLameSauce ,

Try tempura if you find yourself at a sushi place. You’ll probably like it

thanks_shakey_snake ,

Or the cooked rolls, like deep fried California rolls… Or aburi-- That’s regular sushi (big slab o’ fish on rice) but flame-seared.

I’ll eat the raw kind all day, but the cooked ones are extra nice IMO.

SturgiesYrFase ,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

Aburi is the goddamn bees-knees!
I also like the regular rolls, but aburi kicks shit into high gear

thanks_shakey_snake ,

Yeah it’s weird. It’s like

🙂 - Cooked

😀 - Raw

😍 - Raw but cooked tho

SturgiesYrFase ,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s the weirdest thing, but you’re absolutely right!

RootBeerGuy ,
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Deep fried or fried sushi is definitely a thing and its real good if you are not a sushi purist. I think Russian sushi places like to do that, haven’t seen it quite so often outside of Russia though.

eldoom ,

Theres a chain of all you can eat kinda fusion sushi bars around where I live. Trapper’s Sushi. Actually ate there today. I swear their best rolls are flash fried and smothered in various sauces or scallops with spicy mayo.

If you’re a sushi purist you’ll consider it a complete abomination but oh my sweet lord it’s sooo good.

webhead ,
@webhead@lemmy.world avatar

Agreed! We have those here too and they’re great. I’m not purist, just want something yummy!

eldoom ,

Sooo good

fruitSnackSupreme ,

Dude there is deep fried sushi all over the world lmao

Socsa ,

I am a bit of a sushi purist, but I do love me a good deep fried eel roll smothered in six types of mayonnaise sugar sauce.

prole , (edited )

Shrimp tempura roll is probably the gateway sushi roll for you then. That or maybe BBQ eel, which is also cooked and tastes delicious.

And the most important thing to remember is where you’re getting the sushi, and it’s freshness. If you’re buying grocery store sushi that’s been in the cooler since 7am, then yeah, it’s probably not gonna be great.

This is raw food we’re talking about, so you gotta be sure you’re going somewhere legit. At least that’s my opinion. You want to see them rolling it in front of you. If you go in regularly, the chef may even gift you with random dishes to try. It’s a cool experience.

But if you find a good place, man there’s nothing like a piece of high quality raw tuna. Taste, texture, everything. And I hate seafood in general. Cooked seafood, I guess. Traditional cooked fish is not my thing, but give me sushi any day.

And if you’re getting sushi rather than just sashimi, the rice is also SUPER important.

Location really matters with Japanese food.

Copatus ,

In Brazil we have “hot” sushi, which is basically deep fried and it makes the nori taste amazing. Definitely recommend.

MisterD , to aboringdystopia in We all know this happens everyday.

Meanwhile if BlackRock became insolvent, the government would bail them out

robocall , to internetfuneral in to cry
@robocall@lemmy.world avatar

Crying is healthy

empireOfLove , to memes in Reduce carbon emissions

Correction to the first panel:

YOU need to reduce carbon emissions.”
fucks off to Cabo on a private plane for the 5th time this month

Absolutemehperson ,

5th time this month? Isn’t Tom Cruise taking his jet to New York daily for the coffee?

wizenheimer , to mildlyinfuriating in Guys ruins someone concert experience while sexting chatbot

Who gives a fuck that they’re on their phone… at least they’re not drunkenly bumping into people the whole time

candyman337 ,

Forreal, did they ruin your experience because that’s the same chatbot that you sext? Like who fuckin cares if he wasn’t to be a weirdo lol

Idreamofcheesy ,

Lol, picturing OP taking this picture while sobbing bitter tears because Tina-bot02 is cheating on him.

FireWire400 ,
@FireWire400@lemmy.world avatar

Perfect description of a moshpit btw

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

If that’s a perfect description of a mosh pit, either mosh pits have changed from what I remember or being drunk has gotten way more violent.

Bort , to lemmyshitpost in Reddit is a shithole

On lemmy you’re just arguing with the same piss enjoyers without a piss home due to lack of active communities. Lemmy is just ex Redditors acting like they are better than Redditors.

chetradley ,

Redditors are cool. It’s the admin that can eat shit. I’d still be on that site if they weren’t greedy fucks.

areyouevenreal ,

I can’t imagine thinking redditors are cool. Not even redditors think redditors are cool.

chetradley ,

Haha, cool as in I have no beef with them. If you thought I meant “hip” I’ll just say I can’t judge since I’ve been out of that game for a while, as evidenced by my use of “hip” in a sentence.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s hep of you, Daddy-O.

can , (edited )

Not “redditors” but the niche communities. But that’s a numbers and patience game and I’ve got time.

areyouevenreal ,

What’s a z+redditor? I also don’t fully know what counts as niche. I think I am in a couple of these and there are still assholes, some of which are the most active users or even mods. Some groups are okay but these are the exceptions and not the rules.

can ,

Typo

archonet ,

can confirm, had 100k comment karma before I left, definitely not cool

stillwater ,

Flashback to that one popular post of someone overhearing a guy trying to pick up a girl by telling her how much karma he has on reddit.

Fades ,

lmao

Pregnenolone ,

It’s a bit of a stretch to say they’re cool. For the most part they’re tolerable.

jcit878 ,

less cookers as a proportion, but far more tankies

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

Go back then?

Bort ,

I’m not going to support a scummy corporate company because Lemmy’s users can sometimes be elitist.

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

But it’s just the same people right? Except they’re worse because they’re falsely self important.

(My experience on lemmy is 97% positive, I don’t agree with you at all)

NathanielThomas ,

I’ve been banned from all my favourite subs. So I have to create a new account, get past the new account posting limits, build rapport again in my communities…

too much work

Franzia ,

On lemmy search for a board and the same community is on every instance. A little bit of r/piss for everyone.

Swedneck ,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

hell i’m here specifically because i liked reddit but, y’know, didn’t like the actual reddit platform itself because it’s run by absolute wankers.

topperharlie , to memes in What kind of science is this?

The stylisation works so well on my mind that it took me a bigger while than you think to figure out what the meme was about xD

atocci ,
@atocci@kbin.social avatar

I had to read your comment to realize that this wasn't a meme about soy sauce

DharkStare , (edited )

I had to read both of your comments and then really work my brain to figure it out.

Bagel ,

I had to read your comment to know that the first two others comments were not making a joke.

SternburgExport ,

It‘s 4 am and I don‘t get it.

pickman_model ,

She’s using chopsticks but she has no fingers

wesker , (edited ) to mildlyinfuriating in Twitch no longer supports Firefox ???
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I use LibreWolf, which is FF based, and they refuse to let me log in. All it takes is a User Agent spoofer set to Chrome, and it works.

balance_sheet ,

This is the way. User agent spoofer comes handy whenever you browse with FF

aeternum , to mildlyinfuriating in Coming to you soon...

i'd rather not use youtube than watch ads.

eek2121 ,

Thankfully that isn’t a choice you have to make, and thanks to open source, you will ever need to make.

The only trick Google has up their sleeve is their web integrity work. Even then, there will be workarounds.

catapult7724 , to memes in LTT, now sponsored by BP

A comment I saw on another thread put it best. He should have taken the 100 million

Holzkohlen ,

He got offered that much for the company? Yeah, I’d be sipping cocktails on the beach by now.

Sterile_Technique , to memes in Whenvideos games tell you to press X
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar
Sharkwellington ,

Press the dickbutton!

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

If Nintendo 64 had a Dickbutton, it would be at the tip of the middle handle, and the Z button would be balls.

VikingHippie ,

If I had a dollar for every time someone said that to me…

Holzkohlen ,

All in favour?

Revan343 ,

Aye

tweeks ,

That’s actually quite a good idea; press “West” will take a bit to get used to but easy nonetheless.

Squirrel ,
@Squirrel@thelemmy.club avatar
Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

North East West South, or NEWS for short.

Rooty ,

Every controler and keyboard should come with a dickbutt button.

MeatsOfRage ,

A dickbutton if you will

TowardsTheFuture , to games in Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

Complaining about it having funding… AAA… lol. Thats the fucking point of AAA. Big fucking budget.

zikk_transport2 ,
  • A - Big
  • A - Fucking
  • A - Budget
TowardsTheFuture ,

I read this in stereotyped Italian fuckin Mario voice.

AAA stands for “Abig Afuckin’ Abuget”

d0n7panic , to lemmyshitpost in Sweet tea
sorebuttfromsitting ,

screw you for getting it right

psud ,

Sugar should be heavily taxed, it’s so dangerous at rates of more than 10 grams a day

sorebuttfromsitting ,

yes.

MercuryUprising ,

It should be taxed on the corporate side. Taxing sugar on the consumer side becomes a poor tax, because poor people will still want sweets from time to time, making those treats now more and more expensive. Well off people will just accept the tax because it’s marginal to them, but when your chocolate bar that you treat yourself to once a week goes from 1.29 to 3.29, then it really fucks your day up.

What should be done is incentives to provide less sugar/glucose-fructose on the product side and encourage companies to make snacks and beverages that have less sugar content.

psud ,

Agreed. Though either way the price of heavily sugared stuff would go up

DrRatso ,

Wouldn’t the price go up irrespective of which side you tax it on? Obviously if this is a megacorp, they could spread it out over unrelated products, but in the end its not like theyll roll over, take the corporate tax and leave the product at the old price. Is it being a poor tax even that bad of a thing? This is not a necessity and poor people are generally going to be the ones that suffer from poor diet / lifestyle choices in very big part due to the price/calorie aspect of junkfood et al. Lets be real, if you buy a bar once a week, 1.29->3.29 is not a big deal.

Also, we do have tax on sugarry soft drinks in the EU (atleast my country), it is just laughably small compared to EtOH and tobacco). I personally always have thought that anything with added sugar beyond a certain amount should get a heavy tax, conditional on this tax being funneled into healthcare / public health programs.

Nalivai ,

Wouldn’t the price go up irrespective of which side you tax it on?

Not necessarily, companies might just stop putting sugar where it doesn’t belong. They do it right now because corn syrup is free and why don’t just put it everywhere.

Rolando ,

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  • Buddahriffic ,

    I wanted to like stevia when I first tried it, but I find it has a chemical taste, maybe leftover solvents from the extraction process. But it tastes like aspartame to me, which also tastes awful.

    I’d be happy with just less sugar used. Shit doesn’t need to be so sweet.

    explodicle ,

    Their response also irrespective of which party gets taxed because the tax incidence is the same either way.

    enragedchowder ,

    It doesn’t make a difference which side you tax. If consumers are taxed then corporations will still feel it through reduced demand for their product. If corporations are taxed, consumers will still feel it through increased prices. The tax burden does not depend on who is taxed, but rather how elastic supply and demand are.

    irmoz ,

    It sure makes a difference to the people buying it, that’s the point

    enragedchowder ,

    It literally doesn’t. The price is the same either way. Reduced demand from the higher tax makes it so producers will lower prices. This is really basic microeconomics.

    From Wikipedia: “tax burden does not depend on where the revenue is collected, but on the price elasticity of demand and price elasticity of supply”

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_incidence

    irmoz ,

    Reduced demand from the higher tax makes it so producers will lower prices.

    I have never once seen this happen… i just see prices rise

    enragedchowder ,

    Do you actually think that 100% a tax burden will always fall on consumers?

    BeigeAgenda ,
    @BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

    I don’t doubt the number, that means 0.5l soda is 5 times the daily rate!

    And when you drink sugar free, your body still crave the sugar.

    eek2121 ,

    I recently lost 100lbs partially thanks to Diet Mountain Dew, Mountain Dew Zero, and a world of sugar free energy drinks. I also gained 40 lbs of muscle mass.

    Note that I gained much of the weight due to major medical issues which left me bedridden for an extended period of time (years). I don’t have the fastest metabolism in the world, so it took a lot of work to melt the pounds off. I could not have done it without diet soda/energy drinks.

    The only reason researchers been able to determine for diet soda not contributing to weight loss/“fat” disease prevention is that (current studies are showing) we (consciously or subconsciously) attempt to replace those missing calories with more sugar, rather than cutting back. While there have been studies on the effects of artificial sweeteners on insulin production, etc. they are mostly inconclusive.

    If you are shooting for a low carb/low calorie diet, a good diet soda is a safe choice. Don’t let others make you miserable. Just make sure you aren’t pulling in extra calories elsewhere.

    Regardless of what type of diet you follow, remember that weight loss boils down to calories out > calories in. Most of your calories come from carbs, so taking on a more active lifestyle with a high protein/low carb diet will ultimately help you lose weight and build muscle mass. Just don’t skimp on the protein (you want most of your calories to come from protein) because you will also be burning some muscle mass unless you actively try to prevent it. Keep a food journal and write down everything you eat/drink. Some dietary choices you make without realizing may surprise you.

    BeigeAgenda ,
    @BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

    Cool thanks for the tip!

    raptir ,

    I lost 70 pounds over about four months last year primarily via calorie counting. I know it’s anecdotal, but I absolutely felt hungrier after the same meal if I had a diet soda with it compared to an unsweetened iced tea, or even an iced tea with a sugar packet or two. It’s great that you have the willpower to stick to the rest of your diet regardless, but there is definitely a reason people recommend cutting it out to make it easier to follow a plan.

    joel_feila ,
    @joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

    Now if only i could sallow diet drinks

    Rodeo ,

    Have you tried coke zero? I can’t stand diet coke but I like coke zero well enough

    joel_feila ,
    @joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

    its the aspartame any thing with that will cause my throat to fill with thick mucus after just a few ounces. I used to drink big red zero since it use splenda and that was fine.

    xohshoo ,

    Whoa settle down there

    Sucrose is 1:1 glucose/ fructose which is near the optimal 0.8 ratio for fueling endurance activities

    I rode 100 miles solo in less than 5 hours Sunday on 360g sucrose in 4 750ml bottles

    It’sa lot cheaper than all that fancy SIS/skratch etc

    Carbs aren’t poison if you move your body

    minorsecond ,

    Yeah I consume near 400g carbs every day and am fine as a competitive powerlifter who also runs (which is rare lol). You just can’t be sitting on your ass all day.

    JonVonBasslake ,

    The issue is how much hidden sugar there is, especially in the US. Just look at how many things include stuff like corn syrup when it isn’t all that necessary.

    psud ,

    Sure, but so few people are high energy athletes who can legitimately burn the sugar right away.

    My comment was really about the great majority of people for whom sugar consumption is a path to metabolic disease, diabetes, and early death

    I still support a tax on sugar as it would reduce consumption overall, but for those wealthy enough to exercise hard a sugar tax would hardly hurt

    xohshoo ,

    Wealthy enough to exercise? Wtf?

    Ain’t even going there

    psud ,

    It’s probably a U shaped curve where you can devote (or have to devote) significant time to exercise at very low incomes, but it becomes harder at working poor sort of levels, then easy again at a certain level above poverty

    iopq ,

    If you paid twice as much for the sugar, would it materially impact you?

    xohshoo ,

    At this point in my life no. When I was young, for sure

    JollyG ,
    MrShankles ,

    Hawaii doesn’t check out, but they do look very similar

    JollyG ,

    Meh, its not a perfect correlation (and the time series for the poverty map and the diabetes map are different), but most chronic diseases tend correlate with poverty pretty well. You should look at a map of obesity. It follows the same form.

    MrShankles ,

    Nah, that’s actually a my bad for not getting my point across. Looking back on my comment: I know I was trying to commend you, but I must’ve gave up on trying, because it fell completely flat (Not to just you, but to me too when I reread my reply). Dunno where my head was when I posted it, but I can see that I stopped trying at some point and just hit “send”

    The reason I commented to your post at all was because my first reaction was, “holy shit, that’s so specifically accurate and funny at the same time… how was this person seeing a fucking heat map, and able to respond with their own map, that is both wildly accurate and hilarious, given the context”.

    So I scoured the maps, because I wanted to commend you and also try and be as witty. Hawaii was one of the only (obvious) differences I could find (which makes sense when talking about diabetes and poverty)… but then idk what I did. Just literally gave up on being clever and posted a “spot the difference” comment

    So yeah, doesn’t much matter in the grand scheme of things, but I still wanted to let ya know just in case… I thought your comment of the map was surprisingly astute, and I was kinda flabbergasted that it seemed like you just had that on standby. Like you were just waiting for this moment your whole freaking life, and then pulled that very specifically accurate map out of your ass, as soon as it was relevant.

    My comment fell flat on it’s face, because it truly couldn’t be topped. And I think I must’ve gotten distracted and gave up on my response, because the only thing I really wanted to convey was… fucking brava my friend. That was some S-tier shit you dropped; and so casually too. It wasn’t necessarily news to me, but hot damn if it wasn’t quick.

    My original comment should’ve just been “you win” or some shit like that, but I failed on both ends to get that across

    So very much so… holy hell friend bwahahahaha!!! Well fucking done (and pardon my language). But that was the very definition of “under-rated comment” to me. My applause to you

    minorsecond ,

    I’m going to look at how poverty is defined. You just gave me an idea for my grad school program.

    d0n7panic ,

    Apparently it’s defined by your blood sugar 🤷‍♂️

    Mac ,

    Would love to see an updated graph. I feel like everyone gained 50lbs in the last three years.

    JakenVeina , to mildlyinfuriating in This

    The wall of fucking spez is finmy, but I find it FAR funnier to see how something that was one of reddit’s most popular things ever just a few months ago is NOTICABLY less popular. All of the biggest communities that were represented on the drawing earlier this year are nowhere to be seen. All that’s left this time around is just random disconnected drawings and massive flags. The soul is gone.

    So yeah, stop fucking spamming the canvas and just let it be empty and soulless. It sends a bigger message.

    ADON15 ,

    They were stupid to bring it back anyways, it only succeeded the second time because enough time had passed for the people that remembered it and there were plenty of new people to participate. This time neither is true

    Huxleywaswrite ,

    It seems like they brought it back to drive up traffic. They know people will put those things on it, but they can edit all they want and going over there to “protest participate” still drive traffic to their site. In 6 months when they tell investors how successful the last place event wad, no one is going to want to see the final picture, they’re just going to look at the numbers.

    Place was stupid when we were on reddit, its sure as he’ll not worth going back for

    Korne127 ,
    @Korne127@lemmy.world avatar

    5 years seems like a reasonable time to be fair. One year definitely not, at least not to be meaningful anymore.

    Lucidlethargy ,

    There was a lot of talk about the admins erasing stuff. My guess is they’ll ensure it doesn’t look too empty.

    I’m ignoring it, though. I don’t want to give them traffic on a platform they can control. The real question is why can’t we set up something similar here?

    This isn’t even originally from Reddit… It used to be called “drawball”.

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