We’re all figuring this out as we go! Since the great Reddit migration, we’ve already seen our first big drama with the Beehaw defederation. Some Beehaw users disagreed and left for other instances while users of other instances liked the move and joined Beehaw. The Lemmy fediverse is what WE make it for better or for worse.
Sure, but I don’t think beehaw’s philosophy suits the fediverse very well. They want to create a safer space where discussion and disagreement is encouraged, but more closely policed. Which makes sense for a closed system - not one where “unpoliced” users can interact with your community. Otherwise you end up playing server whack-a-mole… exactly like beehaw has done.
I don't think beehaw doesn't fit the fediverse, I do believe it doesn't fit every user.
As I understand it, they want to be a safe place for a very specific audience, that is, people afraid to be harassed for who they are, that could also include people with extreme social anxiety, that's why it's so heavily policed and they defederate from a lot of other instances.
It's like having a heavily moderated subreddit, you wouldn't say it doesn't fit reddit just because they don't accept contribution from everyone.
The purpose of the fediverse is to have things spread out so one or few nodes dying doesn't affect the entire system, it's also about avoiding corporate control, the same principles on which the internet was founded.
I don't think it means having to trust everyone or accepting everyone into your local group.
The purpose of the fediverse is to have things that are spread out and can talk to each other, right?
My point was only beehaw trying to cultivate a safe space that is closely policed isn’t easily compatible with that baked-in interaction with other spaces which they can’t police. Unless they play server whack-a-mole.
And then once large instances are cut off because they contain too many users to police when they interact on beehaw.org - what’s the point in being part of the fediverse? Why not just be any other type of link aggregating forum?
It would make a little more sense if you could defederate unilaterally (i.e. non beehaw members cannot post on beehaw, but beehaw members can go interact on other instances). But as far as I understand that’s not how it works.
(i.e. non beehaw members cannot post on beehaw, but beehaw members can go interact on other instances). But as far as I understand that’s not how it works.
It depends, you believe that's not how it works because you're thinking of both sides defederating each other, but defederation is one-side.
For example, beehaw defederated from lemmy.world but lemmy.world didn't defederate from beehaw, so lemmy.world people cannot participate on beehaw but beehaw can participate on lemmy.world.
It's actually a bit more complicated than that, since lemmy.world people can still participate in beehaw discussions but only lemmy.world people would see those comment, I think also other instances that are not defederated can but I'm not sure about this.
Yeah - what I meant by ‘unilateral’ is that beehaw defederating from .world is that .world users can’t interact with beehaw communities, PLUS beehaw.org users can’t interact with .world communities.
Unilateral defederation to me would mean the first case, but not the second.
Just before the previous owners of my house decided to put the house on the market they painted all wood inside (stairs, doors, door frames, window frames, skirting) pitch black.
Yes thanks, I enjoy living in a cave. Removing, sanding and painting all that will take me 100s of hours.
Oh, and it was done with the cheapest paint possible while painting over all hinges, locks and sometimes windows.
I'd argue one of the most pressing concerns right now is the lack of migration tools
Currently you can't just create an account on instance X and move to Y. You need to create a new account. Eventually if we get the functionality to migrate from one place to another, people will be able to spread out across the fediverse and the risk of a single big server going belly up reduced.
From a technical standpoint if one instance gets defederated from other instances, all the users on that instance are stuffed. Their content won't appear in the wider fediverse (so less engagement)
I’d like to see some sort of export/import functionality as well. Instances will come and go, and it would suck for people on those to just lose their stuff with out having a way to back up/restore it.
Just steal the image and put the source in the body text. That way you're not redirecting everyone to reddit. Sort of defeats the purpose of the protests.
I’ve settled my focus on Memmy with some periodic checks on Mlem. I’m a sucker to try as many new Lemmy apps as I can but Memmy is where I spend my time. The development pace is amazing.
This is the main reason why I don’t like doing online shopping. They give you all the shit that no-one in-person wants to buy; bruised fruit & veg, food with short shelf life. I’m a single guy, often have to freeze nearly everything I get online as otherwise it goes off before I can eat it all. 4 days is pathetic.
They usually have minimum spend too, so they literally want me to buy more food than I need then give me a load of food I can’t eat in time.
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Here is my take on karma. Karma gives users an incentive to post content based more around grabbing attention than quality.
I think it is for the best that karma doesn’t exist here as it allows users to post what they feel without an alterior motive such as gaining internet points.
I kinda wish they would also hide the upvote/downvote numbers as well. Completely remove all the visible numbers that could potentially be used to “keep score”. Posts and comments shouldn’t be about who’s winning.
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