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memfree ,
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Maybe. APnews says:

Authorities delayed releasing the results from each of the 30,000 polling booths nationwide, promising only to do so in the “coming hours,” hampering attempts to verify the results.

After finally claiming to have won, Maduro accused unidentified foreign enemies of trying to hack the voting system.

Per bbc:

  • US Secretary of State Antony Blinken was among those expressing his scepticism after the result was announced by the National Electoral Council, a body which is dominated by government loyalists.

  • The UK Foreign Office also expressed concern over the results

  • The Chilean president, Gabriel Boric, also said he found the result “hard to believe”.

  • Uruguay’s president said of the Maduro government: “They were going to ‘win’ regardless of the actual results.”

  • In a congratulatory message, President Vladimir Putin told Mr Maduro: “Remember, you are always a welcome guest on Russian soil.”

That said, I didn’t really want Maria Machado “—derided by the Chavista leadership for her pro-market views and her upper-class background“ — to lead a puppet government after getting kicked off the ballot.

yogthos OP ,
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Western propagandists once again disputing an election in Venezuela?!

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/5a6637df-d650-45d5-868d-6985ce9f7bd8.png

memfree ,
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I’m anticipating strife and reporting from additional sources. This could get ugly and people should be aware of it.

Note that al-jazeera itself reported this in the article you linked:

“Everything we have seen so far indicates the results of the government are just produced,” Phil Gunson, International Crisis Group’s senior analyst for Venezuela, told Al Jazeera. He claimed the tallies announced by the government-controlled electoral authority did not correspond to the votes cast.

“The result that the opposition claims is the correct one … corresponds very closely to what opinion polls have been saying for the last several months,” Gunson said. “All the partial results we have seen so far indicate the opposition got something like three-fifths of the vote.”

JohnBrownsBussy2 , (edited )
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Looking at this International Crisis Group’s list of donors:

BP

Chevron

ENI

Open Society Foundation

Rockerfeller Brothers Trust

As well as various Western European & gulf state governments, billionaires and billionaire-founded NGOs. Of course they’re coping: their backers were hoping to get a piece of PDVSA.

daisyKutter ,
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I just love when someone claims APnews is propagand

yogthos OP ,
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I just love when someone doesn’t understand that APnews regularly spreads propaganda. Amazing to me that westies think that propaganda is only something that happens in outside the west. 😂

daisyKutter ,
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Do you have a source for that claim?

yogthos OP ,
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literal books have been written on the subject

daisyKutter ,
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So 30 year old books that talk about press during wartime being propagandist in some cases, with bias in others and heavily politiced in most, sure.

Do you have a source for stating AP spreads propagand routinely nowadays?

yogthos OP ,
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These 30 year old books describe the mechanics of western media, which last I checked, haven’t substantially changed today. If anything, propaganda has ramped up as a result of a proxy war with Russia.

another comment in this very thread has the sources regarding AP specifically lemmy.ml/post/18538110/12620401

Kuori ,
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during wartime

please point to the years where the U.S. has not been at war.

DoiDoi , (edited )
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The crazy thing about books is you have to actually read them to understand what they’re about or else you’ll end up posting dumb shit on the internet like you’re doing here.

Also lmao @ “during wartime being propagandist in some cases.”

  1. Absolutely pathetic attempt to weasel out of the subject that you don’t understand but still want to be right about
  2. This would maybe mean something if the US had at any point not been in the business of exporting war.
memfree ,
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I just love it when someone posts propaganda and then goes into their own thread attempting to discredit everyone else as propaganda.

yogthos OP ,
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PosTinG NeWs abOut ThE ResUltS oF aN EleCtiOn Is PropaGnadA! 🤡

adespoton ,

I really appreciate all the work you do surfacing fresh takes on important global news. It’s a really valuable service to the community, and for that you have my thanks.

I’m also getting tired of the hard propaganda spin you add to the comments, presumably to counter the western propaganda you see responding to your posts.

I’d prefer to see the news without the verbal combat and assumptions that others are deluded or have an agenda.

But it’s your choice. I just may end up spending more time fact checking your statements in the future; it’s a shame to have to do so.

yogthos OP ,
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In general, I would encourage you not to take things at face value and actually spend some time learning about topics like this. You shouldn’t take my word for things, but this is obvious to you because what I say often goes against your existing beliefs. It’s even more important to fact check things that align with your biases. The kind of misinformation that’s the most effective is the kind that feeds on what you’re already primed to believe.

freagle ,

What do you think the AP is?

Here’s Cato, not exactly a bastion of truth about the West, listing AP as one of the institutions with deep ties to the CIA

cato.org/…/how-national-security-state-manipulate…

And here’s a summary/editorial of the findings around CIA and journalism which also directly fingers AP

carlbernstein.com/the-cia-and-the-media-rolling-s…

daisyKutter ,
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So if I have read correctly both links talk about the same (the main source for the Cato article is the report from Carl Bernstein) and they state that some reporters that worked at some point in their lives at the Associated Press were tied to the CIA like 50 years ago.

I mean, sure the CIA and other goverment agencies from different countries sure have an interest in deposing Maduro; but claiming that this coverage from AP is propagand (which stance is very much the same as other non-westie sources) is blissful in itself.

yogthos OP ,
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goal posts be moving

Kuori ,
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jagoff

dessalines ,

swprs.org/the-propaganda-multiplier/

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