The “he won’t face any consequences” crowd is getting just as good at moving goalposts as the MAGA crowd is.
“He won’t be investigated”.
“He won’t be indicted”.
“The trial will be delayed indefinitely”.
“He won’t be convicted”.
“He won’t actually see any jail time”.
The goal has always been a cell. Anything less means he hasn’t faced consequences. I’m not aware of anyone who believes he is guilty who would have been happy with an investigation or indictment that goes nowhere.
The only way he isn’t going to face some time in jail is if he flees the county. He’s facing 79 felony counts and only needs 1 for prison time. All I’m trying to say is just because he’s not in jail yet it doesn’t mean he won’t go to jail. And that’s the attitude a lot of people are pushing. “He won’t go to jail” doesn’t hold up when the same people said he wouldn’t be investigated, then he was investigated. They said he won’t be charged, then he was charged. The ball is rolling and picking up momentum now, and it will run his ass over. But just because it hasn’t caught up to him yet doesn’t mean that it won’t.
Many, if not all, of the charges he faces across all three indictments have a punishment of a fine or jail time or both. So no, he doesn’t need just one for prison time. He could easily get a slap on the wrist and pay a fine.
I’m one of those. I don’t know if you realize or not, but there are a stupid number of examples of rich people commiting rather horrible crimes and never seeing jail.
I’m absolutely all for Trump facing consequences. But I’ll believe it when I see it. This country is made for the rich.
I’m concerned that if he goes to jail, a bunch of his redcap loyalists will try and break him out. What they lack in critical thinking skills they make up for in numbers and firepower.
If they couldn’t do it on January 6th with Trump crippling capitol security, inside tours of the Senate and house, police cooperation, and removal of the panic buttons, they won’t be able to accomplish it now either.
I am on the side that I hope he goes to jail. But with everything else that he has dodged I don’t have high hopes. With these charges and the potential charges from Georgia I believe he should be disqualified from running for president. Now hopefully justice moves quickly for all of these cases
I’m on the side where “we got him” has happened so many times without actual consequences that I’ve been numb for a long time. I’m feeling optimism that he might go down for the first time in ages.
It’s only moving goalposts when it’s outright denial of reality. When new information (failed attempts to nail the bastard) is taken into account, it’s adjusting expectations.
Exactly. Have we forgotten the impeachment already? And the second impeachment?
I’ll believe Trump will actually go down for his crimes when we get a guilty sentence. There’s still a long way to go between now and a conviction.
He may be able to delay until the election. Who knows what happens then.
He might win the election.
He may not be found guilty.
He might be found guilty and not do prison time.
He might be under home arrest and start an even more dangerous insurrection.
It’s so stupid to ask what side we’re on or accusing us of “moving goalposts.” We’re on the side of “Don’t count our indicted chickens before they hatch.”
The process has already been incredibly biased in his favor this entire time. The stuff he’s facing charges over are things that you and I would already be sitting in a prison cell awaiting our trial for. He’s being handled with kid gloves. Also look over how world leaders in the past are usually handled, even those that have committed heinous crimes like genocide and such, it’s usually exile or house arrest. I’d be happy to be proven wrong, I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong and for him to face very real consequences, but somehow I doubt it.
Some people have to complain about how bad things are - when things work the way they are supposed to these people get upset becuse cynicism is also a mask to hide lazy thinking.
Let me give you my (non-US) perspective: The world has watched this monster stomp on every value a decent human might have for more than 5 years. We saw the things he got away with due to a brigade of lawyers (essentially money). We all know that money talks, worldwide, but especially in the US.
I have no faith in the US justice system doing the right thing anymore (if ever). So I’ll believe it when I see it.
As an American living in “Trump country” I don’t know if things will be any better if he does get convicted. I don’t think even other Americans living in the coastal areas fully understand just how big of a powder keg middle America is. The right spark in the right place and this whole country could go up before the end of the decade. I’m actively trying to move out because I fear for my safety in these next few years.
I think it’s a fear of getting their hopes up. Liberals have been pretty consistently disappointed by their party recently, so lots of people are afraid to even start hoping for improvement.
If its Steven Miller, they would have already called him out. I think they are saying “Unknown Political Consultant” because we don’t want Putin using this reason to drop bombs on us.
I kinda sympathized with him when he was running for his first term as president. Good that I’m not in the USA, but there would be this kind of protest voting after Obama being kinda incompetent (I mean, compared to what he promised, not to Trump or Bush, lol, though Mitt Romney would be better) if I were.
Still I’d like to see this sucker nailed finally.
That he’d be a normal politician for, say, Russia (an improvement) or Ukraine (no change in quality) or, say, Georgia (no change in quality), doesn’t mean this should happen in parts of the world with still more or less functioning societies.
I see his late night ads on OTA TV way too often. I look forward to “Hi, It’s Mike Lindell. I’ve been brought up on federal charges and to pay my legal fees, I’m selling my pillows at a deep discount. Please buy some! I really need the money to pay my lawyers or I’ll go to jail!!”
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