Do you think pro-Trump Russian bots are building up anarchist/communist post histories to throw you off? Or that anarchists/communists are de facto Trump supporters by not voting blue no matter who?
I don’t go through people’s comment histories to try to validate them.
And there’s a shocking overlap in vernacular and memes between tankies and alt-right. Obviously they’re diametrically opposed on almost all issues. BUT neither really believe in good faith discussion, it’s mostly trolling and “dunking”. Mix in sarcasm that’s not obvious to an outsider, and the jokes are hard to tell apart from misinformation or “muddying the water”.
It’s way more present since Hexbear federated in, every first impression is that it’s an alt-right troll farm. After some interaction it gets clear quickly that it isn’t.
Just expect us normies to have that first impression.
BUT neither really believe in good faith discussion, it’s mostly trolling and “dunking”.
I do not like tankies but I have absolutely never experienced this, all tankies typically want to do is discuss theory and history to the point that it’s exhausting. Have you talked to any Trotskyists??
It’s way more present since Hexbear federated in, every first impression is that it’s an alt-right troll farm.
I literally never got this impression, it’s like extraordinarily clear that Hexbear is a leftist instance. From the pronouns in names to the leftist jokes lol.
The double sets of pronouns and neopronouns, at first glance, made it look like a satire of gender inclusivity to me.
And after some experience with them it’s clear that it isn’t satire, and they highly value gender inclusivity. My opinion now is that the apparent absurdity is a loyalty test. If you think fae/faer pronouns are silly, you aren’t an “ally” and you are immediately identified as out-group. And the out-group, transpobes, liberals, fascists, all get lumped together so much they can’t distinguish between them.
It’s pretty much exactly what the right wing does. They can’t distinguish between liberals, leftists, tankies, or anarchists, because it’s all just “the enemy” to them.
I do not like tankies but I have absolutely never experienced this, all tankies typically want to do is discuss theory and history to the point that it’s exhausting. Have you talked to any Trotskyists??
I have almost no experience with tankies tbh, so I’ll be the first to say my opinions of them comes mostly from ignorance.
But so far I’ve heard that a “nuanced understanding of geopolitics and history” means you think “NATO made Putin do it”.
… Which is causing people to associate pronouns with “tankie”, making the rest of us non-binary and gender fluid folk look bad in the eyes of others, and we don’t need to be stereotyped or negatively associated with anything right now. Or to have tankies speak or act for us. None of us asked for them to exploit us to make a statement and the fact that they’re using us for cheap propaganda points is something other people need to start calling them on.
Watch one of those stupid motherfuckers cut in with “Think about that for a good five seconds” as if I’m not genderfluid myself and don’t see through what they’re doing. Watch them do it
LMAOOO WHAT?? I’m just using the term they use for themselves.
I ran into a group of Trotskyists once and it turned out they were absurdly boring and wanted me to grab coffee with them for weeks on end before they’d tell me anything, and they apparently read a metric fuckton of theory. So now I know the word Trotskyist. But I guess that makes me a tankie 🤷
No, you’re a tankie. Even in that context normal people never actually use that word. I can sit here and make up bullshit stories too, doesn’t change what you are.
And stop brigading other instances. Go outside and touch grass
You seem to be under the impression that my beef with Russian trolls is their lack of sincerity. It’s not. If you act like a Russian troll, it makes no difference to me whether you’re being sincere.
Do you think pro-Trump Russian bots are building up anarchist/communist post histories to throw you off?
Of course. They even set up entire subreddits like wayofthebern and walkaway doing this very thing. You must be very naive and inexperienced to never have noticed any of that.
I’m not saying all leftist are tankies (I’m a leftist) but what I am saying is that all tankies claim to be leftist while simultaneously supporting fascist and their imperialism.
TONS of it. In fact, given that a tankie is by definition someone who is in favor of enforcing a system of equality by utilising oppression (the term stems from when the USSR sent tanks to stop Yugoslavia from establishing a more progressive form of communism than that of Moscow), I’d say that tankies have a 100% idiot overlap.
The Soviet Empire directly occupied every constituent “Republic” as colonies, as well as occupied the Warsaw Pact countries as satellite vassals, and used military force to put down any rebellion from their puppet nations in the Warpac. They denied the people any say in government, subverted unions into agents of the state instead of advocates for the workers, and systematically crushed any domestic political dissent using secret police.
As to whether I’m okay with consistently applying that? Sure. The last time the US fought a military conflict in order to annex a nation into empire was 1902. The Soviets did it consistently throughout their empire’s existence.
Much of what you’re claiming is undermined by the fact that the vast majority of Soviet people voted to keep the USSR. How could that have happened if people had no say in the government, and if the SSRs were just colonies? It’s also undermined by facts like the early USSR letting some former Russian vassals become independent (e.g., Finland), successive Soviet constitutions granting more and more power to SSRs and national groups, and the steady rise in living conditions under the USSR/the sharp decline in living conditions after its dissolution.
And if you’re serious about applying those same standards to every country, you’d see the U.S. as one of the most evil countries in the world. Our treatment of black Americans and American Indians was literally a model for the Nazis, and eclipses the scale and severity of even the most fevered anti-communist propaganda. We’ve fought wars of aggression all over the Global South. We’ve strangled popular anti-colonial movements in their crib and kept them down by backing murderous dictators. We illegally monitor as much of our citizens’ communications as possible, have extrajudicially assassinated opposition leaders, have attempted to blackmail opposition leaders into killing themselves, violently repress even peaceful left-wing protests (while providing police escorts for Klan rallies and Proud Boys), hell, the Chicago PD was running a black site torture operation.
But I’m guessing you don’t take that part seriously, otherwise you’d have questioned whether such an evil country – that’s militantly opposed every communist movement since before the USSR even existed – is a reliable source on the shortcomings of communist states.
the proposed Union Treaty wasn’t a continuation of the USSR any more than the EU is analogous to the Roman Empire, even if we close our eyes and pretend that the vote didn’t have issues and wasn’t boycotted by six “republics”
I knew you’d fly into whataboutism, that’s why I mentioned invading another country for territorial conquest, so you can just shove the dishonest reeeee’ing where the sun doesn’t shine
I don’t need US government sources to know that murderous dictators are evil
Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which the rights and freedoms of a person of any nationality will be fully guaranteed?
That was the question; it’s quite clearly referring to preserving the USSR. Comparing that to the difference between the Romans and the EU is disingenuous and you know it.
And you noticed six SSRs boycotted it! But I thought the USSR “used military force to put down any rebellion from their puppet nations”? Which is it? Was dissent tolerated or not? Or, as in almost every country, were some types of dissent tolerated (local officials protesting national decisions) while other types were not (violent opposition to the state backed by hostile foreign governments)?
whataboutism
So you flat-out lied when you said you held all countries to the same standards. Holding all countries to the same standards involves discussing other countries to place actions in context (incidentally, this is a huge part of what passes for international law). It’s not just shutting off your brain and screeching “whataboutism!” when someone asks you to acknowledge some things are bad even when your team does them.
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Take this disgusting garbage back to reddit-logo and shit in your hat
Take a deep breath. As someone who’s been in your shoes, this may not click right away.
Every single thing you’ve ever heard, learned, watched, or read about another country that was ever an enemy of the united states has been some version of an exaggeration or a lie. You live in the most intense propaganda machine that has ever been created. You live in the most intense surveillance state that’s ever been created. You live in the biggest, richest empire that has ever been created.
Remind me during the cold war, which countries were on the side of pro independence anti colonial movements in Africa, and which countries were pro colonisation and pro apartheid? I’ll think you’ll find that more often than not, the USSR was on the side of anti colonial independence movements, and that the US and Western Europe were on the side of the pro colonial forces.
Even if the USSR only supported anti colonial movements out of pure self interest and cynicism, it’s a hell of a lot better than supporting colonialism and neocolonialism like the USA and Western Europe did back then during the cold war.
No. A loud and opinionated minority does not a majority make. Most people aren’t insufferable on the internet, it’s just that those are the easiest ones to spot and the hardest ones to avoid.
See for example: the amount of American libertarians who “bow to nobody and never stop fighting for their freedom and independence” in online discussions vs the amount of people who vote for the US Libertarian Party rather than the GOP.
I agree. I had Reddit filtered pretty well to avoid politics, but Lemmy has very few communities which outright ban politics which makes it very difficult to avoid. I even agree with most of the politics on here but it gets annoying and exhausting when it’s absolutely everywhere. I’ve seen the above meme like 5 times already, I didn’t enjoy it the first time and I’m sure as shit not going to the fifth.
Politics, like it or not, is a big part of our culture. Art (memes included), comments on culture. I agree it can get exhausting, but it’s not something that we can hide from either. Personally, I prefer white quips about the subject compared to the doom scroll articles seen on political news communities.
The only issue is what is considered a political issue? Are we filtering based on US politics? Based on the politics of other countries?
I could post a meme about the wealthgap or the cost of living right now, and I would probably get a lot of concurrence because despite it being a political issue, it is something most people can relate to and agree with.
On the otherhand, I could make an LGBTQ related meme, and I would get some backlash because it is controversial to some people.
I could probably agree with OP's meme being political because it is literally an Anarchocommunist poking fun at liberals or American Democrats. On the otherhand, there are several memes here posted daily that are going to "political" to some, and completely benign to others. And in the end, when a sub bans "political" content, it usually comes down to what are the political leanings of the moderation or admin staff.
the "no politics" crowd is speaking from a place of intense privilege and i know this because politics and fucked my life and seeing people support politicians who are responsible for those politics is maddening.
I engage with politics quite a bit, and do my best to try and stay informed about current issues. However, being bombarded with it 24/7 is a great way to make people numb to politics and stop caring. It’s good to be able to choose when you have the energy to engage with it, and being able to filter it out at times is part of that. Yes it is privileged, but that doesn’t make it negative.
The people that stop caring are privileged enough to not be impacted by politics. If laws being passed are actively making your life harder, you care. You don’t have the option not to.
Not allowing political memes here wouldn’t be categorizing, it would be censorship on a popular community while pushing that content to a smaller community with less visibility.
You always have the option to just keep scrolling.
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I was told to be a garbage man. Who the fuck made these tests? My guidance counselor for years told me not to go to college.
I’m a software engineer now, and while I believe garbage men deserve better pay and benefits and recognition as essential skilled workers, who the fuck tells that to a kid? That they should give up on college and work a labor job for their entire life?
Hell as a teen I fucking hated those tests because I didn’t even know what I wanted to study, and everything I started just felt either so daunting or not worth my time. It straight up advised me to be an accountant and I got depressed thinking that’s what my life would be.
Nowadays I’m in IT, and sure, a bit on the full side, but I actually get it, makes good money, and on the side I paint for fun. Not the worst life, and certantly better than being a goddamn accountant.
my guidance counselor for years told me not to go to college
I’m a software engineer now
So, you followed his advice I see :D (I’m joking, of course)
This whole thing about determining your best job or whatever always seemed very weird to me (we don’t do that much here in France). I mean, I did not know what I would do after getting a Ph.D., how the heck is a stranger supposed to know like fifteen years before that.
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