See what I’m going to do is I’m going to make the nazis look equally bad to all these other things. That way the nazi atrocities will look less problematic and I get to smear my enemies with a tainted term.
You’re trying to hard to see what you want to see in order to sound morally superior for Internet high fives.
It is clearly a half assed joke saying that if you call a group horrible, someone with get butt hurt and respond accordingly. Which in a round about way is exactly what you did. Any further reading into it is on you.
Just so you know, Nazis have used assertions exactly like what Zoldyck said literally since the day after the nazis were defeated.
One name for it is “double genocide theory” which is used to a) diminish the crimes of the Nazis/ even to the extent of genocide denial and b) equate fascism and communism (an absolutely absurd claim, to be clear. Ask about it if you’re unaware!)
This is not something we regularly go around doing, we are very careful with what stuff we call nazi shit. We’re careful not to make the word lose its meaning. This was an example of a common nazi/nazi-adjacent talking point, and we take it seriously when we encounter it.
Its just like “Blue Lives Matter” is thinly veiled racism. other examples include 1488, the 14 words, ‘states rights’, etc.
It is clearly a half assed joke
They may have thought it was just a joke when saying it, but the intent doesn’t matter, because they may also have known what they were doing and did it on purpose, because they’re a nazi/ nazi adjacent.
You seem to know what you’re talking about, and not going to debate you on any of the points you just brought up. I certainly don’t disagree with anything you just said. I just still feel it’s a stretch to assume that comment is equating all of those things that were listed. That’s not what I took away from it at all, and still don’t.
just still feel it’s a stretch to assume that comment is equating all of those things that were listed.
I’m not sure I understand, Isnt that explicitly what the point of the post was? to equate all those things so that communists would get angry at them? what point was that comment making, in your view?
In my view, I don’t think it was aimed soIely at communism. Can’t speak for the intent of the poster unless they weigh in though. My view when saying they wanted to test something and then say several groups were horrible was to get a reaction from those that belong to said groups as a sort of half assed shotgun technique. I really didn’t expect it to get a rise out of anyone reasonable which is why I made my initial comment. All of those groups listed have various sized vocal subgroups that will aggressively defend their view points with a “them vs us” take.
That said the view points themselves are very different so that is where the equivalence stops.
I can understand that. From my perspective, as a communist, I probably would have come down on them even if they just said nazis bad US bad Australia bad
In this case I heartily agree, but we again have the issue of lackadaisically equating things to the nazis. Australia sure is a terrible trash fire of a settler colonialist planet killer, but they aren’t nazis and they didn’t do the holocaust
I mean yeah because the US does the same horrible horrible shit other existing countries do just more of it. Mentioning the smaller problem while ignoring the bigger problem(that we are closer to) is just how liberal brainwashing works.
Extending to the political party specifically for Germany, but not the others; could be worth doing that.
Like, EVERY country has its good people that hate the horrific actions of its administration. It can cause issues and paint xenophobia if you don’t identify and shame the bad actors. Instead, you get Chinese people that live in poverty thinking America hates all of them for having thin eyes.
Better thing to say imo: fuck Republicans and the CIA, fuck Putin, fuck the CCP.
The US controls gigantic parts of the information/entertainment space: movies, music, social networks, YouTube, TV, even their politics is a keyfabey circus for the rest of the world. American propaganda is literally everywhere.
It’s an image of consumption and individualism above even self preservation, so deeply internalized that Americans and perhaps half of the rest of the world don’t notice. Sometimes it feels like the US lost its mind in 9/11 and started hurting itself in confusion but it was never a “smart player” in the world, just a narcissistic bully.
It’s not necessary for the CIA to be involved because it’s literally superliminal and grotesque at this point in time. The US throws its weight all around the world and is brutish and callous with its “use of force”, which means murdering people (and destroying property, oh they love them some property) in case there’s people in this thread that are lost in so many layers of euphemisms and irony.
Americans need to deal with this instead of becoming defensive and recurring to whataboutism. Yes, China and Russia are horrible and murderous in their own ways and at a different scale, but one must not use them to avoid self reflection.
I’ve been banned a few times specifically in fuck cars and then comrades I think? Absolutely some of the most fragile groups I know beside trumpets when it comes to accepting reality and facts.
Are they? Or have you just met some insane people? I’ve been watching a series on the fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism, and see none of that in the theory.
Marxist or comunist or socialist are not the same as tankies, tankies are the insane ones that defend the Chinese government of all places and ussrs genocides among others. The comunist just like the ideology, i concider myself a socialist and even communist ina good day and still like to bash tankies due to them spewing out bullshit and defending tyranic/fasist regimes.
I’ve been watching a series on the fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism, and see none of that in the theory.
in the theory
of course no one includes genocide in their theory but if you try to apply communist theory to reality you’ll end up with it. so instead of looking at theories start looking at reality
every time it was tried communism failed eventually. it always caused oppression and in extreme cases even genocide. it doesn’t really matter what the theory looks like if that’s the reality
If your cake recipe asks for flour, sugar, milk and eggs, and you decide to use piss instead of milk, and shit instead of eggs, I’m not gonna buy it when people eat your cake and say cakes taste like shit and piss, though I will agree that your particular attempt did.
You also cannot possibly deny the role the US has played in every “failed” socialist project.
Every time Apple tried to make the iPhone 32 it failed. It can never exist because there is no iPhone 32. History is over and humanity cannot progress. I am very smart.
Little do people know everyone is shit and your personality that is only based on ideologies makes you look like a moron. Yes we know there is unfairness in the world. But any “ism” won’t fix it.
Yeah you’re right shits fucked so let’s just accept the status quo, oh would you look at that you’re just supporting the current oppressive system.
Being a centrist or “apolotical” is just being a conservative while still being able to fuck
I do mean it positively, but I can understand why you would get a negative reading. I was trying to illustrate how reducing words to their components and dismissing them like that is such a stupid thought terminating cliche. Botulism, anarchism, autism, midwesternism, descriptivism are all words ending in -ism but really do not refer to similar or comparable things. The deeper idea that subscribing to or employing an ideology inherently leads to failure, which the original comment asserted, has already been torn to shreds by others, so I targeted the less important but more annoying failure of thought. I should have more carefully selected my words, sorry.
The only thing exhausting is people using whataboutism to make false equivalents and avoid genuine discussion. People are subjected to orders of magnitude more US propaganda than Russian propaganda, and it clearly has a much greater effect on public opinion. Thanks to people being indoctrinated into US propaganda, they dismiss legitimate problems as fictional Russian propaganda. The fact that you can’t comprehend this illustrates the problem perfectly.
Not what I said though was it? What I said was that people in the west are subjected to orders of magnitude of western propaganda, and perhaps should worry about that first. Russian media is even banned in most of Europe at this point. Chomsky even pointed out recently that censorship in the west now is even worse than it was in USSR.
What I said was that people in the west are subjected to orders of magnitude of western propaganda, and perhaps should worry about that first.
I’m capable of worrying about two things. Perhaps even three on a good day.
Chomsky even pointed out recently that censorship in the west now is even worse than it was in USSR.
Media being bad because capitalism pushes them to do evil to further their own ends is not the same thing as censorship enforced with state violence. These are both bad things, but uniquely bad in their own ways. I’m sad that Chomsky’s age has caught up to him and he can no longer distinguish the two.
I’m capable of worrying about two things. Perhaps even three on a good day.
press x to doubt
Media being bad because capitalism pushes them to do evil to further their own ends is not the same thing as censorship enforced with state violence. These are both bad things, but uniquely bad in their own ways. I’m sad that Chomsky’s age has caught up to him and he can no longer distinguish the two.
It’s incredible that somebody could be so deplorably ignorant to think that US doesn’t enforce censorship with state violence. US tortured Manning and is currently having UK torture Assange for revealing US war crimes. Chapter 10 in this book gives lots of examples of political repression in US where activists have been harassed, arrested, and even assassinated by the state archive.org/…/DemocracyForTheFew16147062951821
The only thing you should be sad about is your own ignorance. Maybe instead of claiming that Chomsky can’t distinguish things you should learn about what your regime actually does. Just a thought.
When people talk about censorship, they usually mean of media. Yes, I’m aware that the US government is an evil institution that targets activists and whistleblowers. You’ll never believe me, but I actually despise my government and nearly every person in it. However, authoritarian regimes also strike down those people, but additionally censor the media on top of it. So to say that state censorship is worse here and now is just asinine. There’s no need to make things up to seem worse than they are when they’re already very bad, it just leads to people swinging at ghosts.
Every government is authoritarian by its very nature. The government derives authority from having monopoly on legalized violence. The only reason there is the illusion of freedom of speech is due to the fact that mainstream views are carefully curated. Any ideas that are seen as a threat are eliminated just as ruthlessly in the west as anywhere else. Entire books have been written on this subject.
Nobody is making anything up here. The reality is that state censorship in the west is no different from the countries you consider authoritarian, the only difference is that it’s dressed up in a way that’s palatable to western public. In fact, it could be argued that governments in places like China are simply more honest with their public. They’re explicit regarding what ideas they reject while the west uses sophistry to create an illusion of freedoms that don’t translate into anything tangible.
Every government is authoritarian by its very nature. The government derives authority from having monopoly on legalized violence.
For goodness’ sake, can we not do this? I’m an anarchist, I know this. I oppose the state on a conceptual level for this very reason. I’m speaking to you like a normal person using language that I know you understood the intended meaning of. There’s no need to engage in academic fartsniffery here. Just be normal.
The only reason there is the illusion of freedom of speech is due to the fact that mainstream views are carefully curated.
The owners of our media have a vested interest in maintaining their own control. They are not compelled to act by outside force, they largely act of their own free will to maintain their position in our corrupt system. Understanding this distinction is crucial to being able to fix it. This is the true insidious nature of our system, at this point it is maintained by people pursuing their own interests rather than by an overarching plot. There’s no need for one anymore, it is self-sustaining and perpetuating, like a cancer.
For goodness’ sake, can we not do this? I’m an anarchist, I know this. I oppose the state on a conceptual level for this very reason. I’m speaking to you like a normal person using language that I know you understood the intended meaning of. There’s no need to engage in academic fartsniffery here. Just be normal.
Meanwhile, I’m not an anarchist, and I do not oppose the state at a conceptual level. However, I do think that the state represents the interests of the class that controls power in society, and that western capitalist states fundamentally represent the interests of capitalists. So, when people talk about capitalist states having some sort of free speech for the oppressed working class, I find that surreal to be honest.
Any meaningful free speech translates into tangible action, and when that happens the state uses brutal methods to stomp it out. MLK and Fred Hampton are two prominent examples of what happens when people in US try to exercise freedom of expression in a meaningful way.
The owners of our media have a vested interest in maintaining their own control. They are not compelled to act by outside force, they largely act of their own free will to maintain their position in our corrupt system.
They are the capitalist class who built the system to serve their own interests. The owners of the media are not compelled by force because they are the people whom the state represents. The state is a management bureaucracy for resolving the differences between capitalists in a civilized way.
Understanding this distinction is crucial to being able to fix it.
What’s crucial for fixing anything is understanding the nature of the state and whom it serves. Your comment makes it pretty clear that you lacking this understanding.
Anyone that disagrees with the US government is spouting Kremlin propaganda. Riiiiight…
I mean, if you take what I said and completely change it, I can see why you might be upset at that. Though I would encourage you to reply to what I actually said.
You are a joke.
I am indeed a very funny guy, it’s a bit creepy that you know that though.
I merely posited that you might be getting into arguments because you have drank the Kremlin propaganda, but from your posts I see it’s more that youblike to defend the Chinese government for some reason or at least like to do “a Whatabout the USA”
also I am not sure you ubderstand what ad hominem is, it’s attacking the person saying it rather what the person is saying, if I were to say “you are spouting Kremlin propaganda” would be the exact opposite since I would be “attacking” what you are saying not who you are.
A lot of americans and some other westerners always assume that anyone who disagrees with them must be infected with Russian/Chinese/(insert bogeyman) propaganda.
Whereas the truth is that the Western civilization is on a murder spree and the rest of us who are not Westerners are disgusted by it.
I must say I had a pleasant conversation on workers’ rights in the US recently on c/technology (lemmy.world). By pleasant I mean “not being insulted because I live in France and workers do have rights so I’m a red commie” pleasant.
A. This leads to politeness fetishists and tone policing. If someone says something offensive like “we should remove LGBT+ books from schools,” I’d rather shoot myself than speak nicely to that person.
B. This has not been my experience with my fellow Americans at all. I even saw a mod from lemmy.world post mod-flaired horseshit in their politics community about how “The US is not a racist country.” Fuck that.
If they have dogshit opinions about LGBTQIA people or immigrants to begin with, what’s rudeness on their part going to do? Lol
Their opinions and lives already lack any value.
Edit: Just noticed this guy moderates a community filled with bigots that engage in frequent use of an ableist slur, so it looks like this clown is referring to people like himself. “I may be an unhinged bigot, but at least I’m polite so I win!” Just the type of person I’m talking about.
Lmao you don’t know even know what you’re arguing against. I never said anything about whether you should be polite, I just said that if you’re going to be a cunt you can’t complain about people being cunts back
Also if you did 5 minutes of research you’d see that c/[email protected] doesn’t allow any kind of hate speech, there are no slurs in any of the comments, and our most recent post removal was because of ableist and racial slurs. But go off I guess
If you’re trying to lie about not being a bigot, you should really not lean into the sexist language lol. But thanks for confirming my suspicions, I suppose.
Anyway, dunking on bigots is always the right choice, so I’m not sure what you think you were contributing by telling me that. Just makes you sound like a typical fragile cis heteroni.
Hahahaha, nah, it’s just funny when people who think like you can’t handle people not praising you for being so enlightened. Think what you want about me. Weird that you’re bringing identity into things considering you don’t know anything about me. But at least I don’t have to waste more time with you. Seeing you added nothing I accept your concession, you can’t win them all. Just lose with more grace next time.
I really don’t give a fuck about people like you or your opinion about me. I’m around you losers constantly where I live. I just find it ironic that someone as fragile as you would presume to lecture someone like me about politeness. I’m not patting myself on the back, either. It only takes a baseline level of awareness to avoid misogynistic language. I’m not praising myself, I’m just amazed that people like you exist, and that there are so many of you. Then you cry when you get deplatformed or banned. It’s fucking hilarious!
Bro all I said was that you can’t expect people to be nice to you if you’re being an asshole to them. Don’t care? Cool. Then keep being an asshole.
YOU are the one that got all angry and started making accusations and treating identity like an insult. Which, btw, has all been imagined because I literally have not argued a single position this whole time. “People like me” lmao. You clearly have some pent up rage that you’re just waiting to unleash on anyone who you imagine fits that mold.
“Misogynistic language” in this context is just a phrase you’re using to shut down conversation, just like you tried with cishet.
No they just implicitly welcome such users by not vetting applications like a proper instance
They want to be a new reddit, and reddit was a right-wing platform with shit-tier communities such as the extremely ableist and homophobic r/comedyheaven
No no, there was a test. They provided a list of all the things that MLs hate and don’t want people doing (took me days to reach the bottom) and we had to figure out how to do all of them. Because we’re evil. Literally Hitler. Oh and also none of us can read.
I’m sorry we can’t be Holy like you guys. You truly are a penitent congregation. Except I’m not sorry. Because I’m so evil
I’m not even a good person, but it takes zero effort not to use a sexist slur. Super easy just not to do that. You lot always huff and puff about how it’s so hard and so complicated and it’s just … not. We’ve known not to use the c-slur since like… the 1970s.
You really should do more research, how cunt is perceived varies by country and culture. Your worldview is not total. “You lot” continues to make me laugh. You resort to identity assumptions more than a republican. Just as zealous too.
This is what happens when people base their entire world and political beliefs on identity, they always have to bring it up lol
Anyone who identifies as something and bases their entire personality on it is boring as fuck, my personality is all about my sexual interests, my personality is all based on my religion, my skin colour, my favourite beer…. Fucking snooze, 1 dimensional cardboard cutouts
Also just the dogmatism and zealousness. Like good grief dude, people aren’t going to conform to your worldview 100%, just like you aren’t going to conform to theirs.
But hey, what do I know, all I did was recreate an ironic humor community because I’m ableist and homophobic. I certainly haven’t been moderating to keep the good parts and leave the bad behind on reddit /s
Hi from the autistic guy that is physically unable to understand the rules of „politeness“ and burns out while pathetically trying to mimic them just to look like a creep anyway.
How can we have a pleasant conversation about the murders the American soldiers are committing in the Middle East? How does one be pleasant about murder?
That’s Soviet MBV-2, two were made in Kirov manufacturing plant in Leningrad in 1936-37, though i guess the transformation of one of them into a Thomas was post war development (second one is preserved in museum).
Until the last sentence I thought this was about the erratic behavior of Seal, a singer known for his song “Kiss from a Rose” from the motion picture movie Batman and Robin.
The romantic nature of Batman and Robin’s relationship is heavily implied throughout the movie, although we never see them perform acts of affection such as “smoochin”, “gropin”, “tongue kissin”, “hand holdin”, “sword fightin”, or “butt stuff”. It was, nonetheless, the fist ever movie to show a superhero in a committed same-sex relationship.
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