I’m just waiting for better VR support (formerly WMR, now Quest 3), and my system (Thinkpad T15G) is Intel/Nvidia, occasionally with an Nvidia eGPU, and I’ve heard good support for that just isn’t ready yet. Linux would be great if I had a budget to build something entirely optimized for Linux, but right now it’s just not right for my system and budget.
I plan on trying it out again soon, but I just don’t have time for a new learning curve right now, even if I’m fairly tech savvy.
imagine a shirt that says “I’m not a scientist”. it’s basically that but if you smoke weed you are obligated to tell everyone unprompted, so this is for weed smokers who want a shirt that says I’m not a scientist.
I don’t have any living ones, but at least on my mom’s side they seem to have been pretty nice people. Can’t say much about my grandpa in his elderly age since he died when I was fairly young, but my grandma was sweet, whether she was just at home or out and about.
Can’t say much for my grandpa on my dad’s side since I don’t remember him, but from what I’ve heard from stories from my parents, he may not have been the nicest person in general. Definitely glad I didn’t grow up with him because I remember a story my dad told of him breaking a dish at his house and then hiding in a closet, not knowing how he’d react to the broken dish or something like that. Something like that. Thankfully my dad is absolutely nothing like how his dad sounded. And my grandma on his side didn’t seem much better, considering when my mom was pregnant with my oldest brother she tried to get my dad to ditch her.
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I’ve been told before that my mom absolutely wouldn’t let me or my older brothers be alone with my grandpa on my dad’s side.
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As for tolerant, I can’t speak for any of them that much, but I at least know my grandpa on my dad’s side had to have some degree of tolerance considering he was gay and at one point had a partner. I assume being married to my grandma was more of one of those societal pressures back then. Just getting married in general, even if it ends in a divorce like their marriage did.
In terms of raw CPU power, you will rarely have issues with anything newer than 10 years old. But some built in video conversion hardware can differ significantly and power consumption is usually also lower for newer CPUs.
I don’t encourage people to buy anything older than ~2016 or Skylake era. Older chips tend to eat enough power that they’re more expensive over time (usually less than a year after purchase) than newer more power efficient parts. Run the math on power consumption with the chip’s TDP for a year as an estimate and you’ll often be surprised by just how expensive chips from <2016 end up being to run. Cpubenchmark.net will do that for you if you use the comparator, just remember to set your average kWh cost.
I think I blew up my first Slack install in about 12 minutes while trying to get a video camera to work as a webcam. It took me 3 god damned days and more than a few re-installs but I did get it going…and then spent 30 minutes web chatting with a guy from Serbia. The video was the size of a postage stamp.
The difference in usage that badboy would get during a football game versus a gig at the same stadium would be enormous. Things like flush cycle frequency and when to turn the system on/off to conserve water. Nothing massively sinister - boring facility management stuff mostly.
Dude was probably raised on stupid conservative shit and never did the work to find happiness in himself.
You don’t need connections to be happy and the connections people are drawn to tend to amplify what they’re putting into the relationship. If this dude is miserable and looking to others to fix it they’re just going to dig their hole deeper.
I’d clarify that this is different from leaning on friends when you’re going through a hard time, if you establish a positive relationship you can lean on it for stability when your life is rough… and some folks culture positive relationships during hard times by compartmentalizing them into a positive part of their lives (an example I’ve seen was a friend who joined our board game group during a rough time but didn’t reveal their troubles until later - when all that shit was going down our space was where she came to just have a good time and be positive).
Life’s hard. People raised on the ideology of bootstraps and “Having a family will fix it” are playing on extra hard mode.
I did once try to get started with Slackware when I was a teenager. It was on a cover CD for Linux Format about twenty years ago. I never managed to get it running and gave up on Linux for a while as a result.
I'm a little perplexed as to what it exists for, to be honest.
It doesn’t exist for anything really. It still exists because some people still find it worthwhile to maintain it, and some people still find it worthwhile to run it.
It actually started as the German translation of Slackware. Slackware started as a bunch of helper scripts for installing Softlanding Linux, the first real Linux distro.
I think you might be interpreting my comment a little too literally. Perhaps I could instead word it as "I don't know what the appeal is - to me it doesn't seem anything other than an oddly archaic OS". What's its USP, so to speak?
I had something similar when I tried running SUSE in about 2005. Shortly after I discovered Ubuntu and found that it made package management and maintenance easy and from there I was able to start using the system to get things done. Whilst I don't currently use Linux on my personal machine, I do use it on my work machine inside WSL2, on servers at work and at home.
I've never even entertained the notion that Slackware would be something I might use - because it seems clunky for the sake of clunk. Am I missing something here? Or is the clunk the appeal, like how lots of people like really awful B-movies?
It’s a system that doesn’t do anything you didn’t do, so you know what it does.
It never changes so your workflow stays the same forever.
You can control the startup process in detail, it’s all bash scripts.
It comes with a wide variety of software pre installed so no matter if you’re running a server or desktop you can start using it right away.
There’s no “Debian way” or “Fedora way” of doing things, it makes no assumptions about how you use your system. Put your files wherever you want. Add whatever repos and additional package managers you like. Run it with sudo, create multiple users or run everything as root, it’s your system.
Interesting. That makes sense. Thanks for explaining. It doesn't appeal to me but I can certainly relate to the frustration of changes breaking established workflow.
I think it’s a way to get to know and learn Linux from the ground up while you install it, configure it to your taste, and fix all the little issues that pop up, a bit like Linux From Scratch. But when you’re done, you have a working system you know well and that won’t ever surprise you.
Working system until you need to upgrade something. I feel like the BSD systems are really what you want if a system like Slackware is what interests you. They have a tightly integrated core system with the kernel, and a ports tree to compile software from source with automatic dependency compilation. A lot of ports can be found as pre-compiled binaries.
All this with simple old school unix tools such as tar, cvs and make. All config is text files, everything meticulously documented in man pages. Very easy to upgrade.
I’d actually love BSD and have tried it out in the past. But my only computing device is a convertible laptop, and BSD didn’t support energy management, battery monitoring, decent WiFi speeds, the touch screen or the tablet pen on it. And the fingerprint reader threw errors that kept filling up the screen, even on top of the installer TUI, until I disabled it in BIOS.
I would say OpenBSD is closer to the Slackware idea. You install the system and it works how it was designed. It might not be what you want, but if you are a security-minded C programmer, OpenBSD gives you the full experience out of the box.
It is not for everybody. But if you are in the crowd who consider Slackware, things like fingerprint reader or wifi are not the first things that are important for you.
Get a ThinkPad X230 and go with OpenBSD to get some of that old school unix feeling.
Working system until you need to upgrade something.
Why are you attempting to upgrade slack? You install, configure to purpose and leave it be. When it’s purpose changes you re-install and re-configure! Nothing could be simpler!
I remember liking how it didn’t mess with the packaged software (no patches, so everything was as the author intended), same as Arch, and how clean it was… for a few hours.
That's something that I don't understand. I have a computer to do stuff. Performing maintenance is a necessary evil, not a hobby, at least for me. If I have to do any significant maintenance more frequently than about every three years, it's too often. Sure, I'll install updates (usually using a package manager, so the work is a command or two), but this stuff gets in the way of me doing what I turned the machine on for.
It's much like when I launch a program and it immediately asks me to install updates. Uh, no, I launched you to do something, get out of my way! (I'm confused as to why more software doesn't prompt on close - I love it when they do that!)
That's what I'm getting at. It's not that I have no interest, I do, but if it's too inconvenient it's a bad fit for me. Much like I don't make my own shoes, I suppose. If I had infinite time then, sure, but realistically the opportunity cost is too high.
Don’t forget to compare a consumption too, or perhaps “performance per watt” metric. If plan to run this CPU in a server, this makes a difference in the electricity bill - especially for always on server.
Also I have a laptop I use from time to time running mint, few games installed. The games itself work okayish but the amount of times I need to “fix” some bullshit is annoying. Last things I remember were the touchpad being wonky and games having extreme tearing on HDMI, no matter if vsync was on or off.
I might try pop os some time but honestly my windows machine runs mostly without fault for years now (just cannot use any gpu drivers after march 24, but that’s on nvidia) and at the end of the day I just want to consoome without fiddling in settings every time.
Tryp BazziteOS next instead of Pop. It’s a Linux OS that’s designed for gaming and comes with all drivers, emulators, proton, etc out of the box. Also based on Fedora, which in my experience does better in the gaming department.
I’ve been using various GNU/Linux distro over the course of the last 20 years. When I started out, packages could never be too fresh and cutting edge. Nowadays I’m an admin and I administer way too many VMs. I dream of a system that I never need to update. While I know that’s almost impossible if you want to be secure now might finally be the time I give slackware a try. I’m also old enough to be more curious about learning less but more in depth.
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