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Tired8281 , to startrek in Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Strange New Worlds | 2x03 "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"

Did she leave that gun with that little boy?

ValueSubtracted OP ,
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What could go wrong?

ShakaWhenRedditFell ,
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Lucky for us this boy is not going to be a genocidal maniac.

StillPaisleyCat ,
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She left the gun that had shot Kirk in plain sight to be found be the security team she believed were on their way.

And in fact we heard the footfalls of the team running towards the room just as La’an hit the button and vanished. She didn’t even have time to get herself out of young Khan’s sight.

archiotterpup , to explainlikeimfive in ELI5: If you're a Christian, why do you have to be good if Jesus will forgive you no matter what?

That’s the fun part! It depends on which branch of Christianity you believe in. Some think it’s only faith, some the baptism/saved, and some good works.

lightrush , to linux in Is Systemd that bad afterall?
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  1. Is the current SystemD rant derived from years ago (while they’ve improved a lot)?

No it’s almost always been derived from people’s behinds.

  1. Should Linux community rant about bigger problems such as Wayland related things not ready for current needs of normies?

Yes.

Systemd is spectacular in many ways. Every modern OS has a process management system that can handle dependencies, schedule, manage restarts via policy and a lot more. Systemd is pretty sophisticated on that front. I’ve been able to get it to manage countless services in many environments with great success and few lines of code.

UESPA_Sputnik , to startrek in Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Strange New Worlds | 2x03 "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"
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[Copying my post from the original thread and adding something to the bottom]

Christina Chong absolutely killed it, especially in that final scene. Imagine finding someone you can connect to for the first time in your life, and immediately lose them. It even makes someone who is usually very unemotional crack.

Also, Pelia is such a delightful character. Great addition to the show.

Other than that I’m not really sold on the episode. It’s over an hour long and it did feel (too) slow and meandering at times. And I feel as if it just existed to shove in Kirk once again (and once again in an alternate timeline scenario to stick to the Trek canon) and explain the postponement of the Eugenics Wars by some Temporal Cold War shenenigans.

Final nitpick: how can Spock exist in the alternate timeline if humans and Vulcans are enemies?

Others wrote about how it was interesting that La'an had to choose to keep baby tyrant Khan alive for the greater good (of the future paradise Earth). And I agree that it's an interesting conundrum – but that was given so little space in the episode that it fell entirely flat for me. La'an found out early on that Kirk didn't know Noonien-Singh but that plot point was dropped for 30 minutes and only brought up again in the final minutes. In that aspect it reminded my of "The Elysian Kingdom" last season where nothing happens for 45 minutes and the interesting stuff comes out of the left field at the very end of the episode.

Maybe I'm being too harsh (I'll rewatch the episode in a couple of days together with a friend) but for now I'd say this was one of the weaker episodes of the series.

LaggyKar ,

how can Spock exist in the alternate timeline if humans and Vulcans are enemies?

Where they enemies? I got the impression they were on good terms, but just never allied like they did in the main timeline.

Klanky ,
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I believe Spock said ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’ implying that both Vulcans and Romulans were enemies of humans.

melmi ,
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No, he was implying that both humans and Vulcans were enemies of Romulans.

The Vulcans are enemies with the Romulans. The Romulans are enemies with the humans. Therefore “an enemy of my enemy is my friend”. The humans and Vulcans don’t seem to be allies, but they definitely aren’t enemies.

Haus ,
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Ooh, I like the nitpick. Good point.

williams_482 , to startrek in Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Strange New Worlds | 2x03 "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"
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I thought this episode was fantastic.

The pacing was good, the interactions between Kirk and La'an were fun, and the closing acts were a real gut wrench. Being forced through such a traumatic situation and completely unable to talk with anyone about it is a piece of the time travel/Prime Directive secrecy that Star Trek hasn't really dug it's teeth into before, and there's clearly something very powerful to work with here.

Also, hilarious use of their immortal chief engineer. In retrospect, no surprise that someone in that position wouldn't maintain exactly the same hobbies and skills throughout the centuries, and also no real shock that this particular individual got her jollies stealing priceless artwork. And then arguing statute of limitations when she is challenged on it centuries later? Brilliant.

I do not give the slightest of damns about a TOS one-liner placing Kahn in the 1990s. This is a good story which wouldn't work properly otherwise, and that was a poor choice from writers who couldn't have possibly known better. Absolutely do not care, and so much happier for it.

After a fairly meh first episode, SNW S2 has reeled off a pair of real bangers. Looking forward to the next installment.

goGetF1 ,

But they also managed to explain the moving of the Eugenics Wars as the result of time hijinks, some of which we’ve seen on screen. I think this is a credible explanation Star Trek can use for TOS retcons without being too dismissive of canon.

russjr08 , to startrek in Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Strange New Worlds | 2x03 "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"
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Ah, well I had a more thorough comment typed out, but unfortunately that was on the thread that got locked and the app I’m using on mobile ate my response when it failed to post.

The gist of it though was that I was pleasantly surprised by this episode, as I’m not usually one for the time travel themes. The ending was painful (as in, the writing was very well done) to watch and hit me harder than I expected!

And it was also cool for them to reference DDG instead of Google, I’d be happy to see that sort of thing happen more often on TV.

williams_482 ,
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Ah, well I had a more thorough comment typed out, but unfortunately that was on the thread that got locked and the app I’m using on mobile ate my response when it failed to post.

Sorry to hear that. We had some problems with language settings which required replacing that post; most people couldn't see it. That shouldn't be a problem going forward.

ValueSubtracted OP ,
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Apologies - my own thoughts on the episode also have been lost to time.

We've identified the problem, and it shouldn't happen again!

ShakaWhenRedditFell ,
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Lost … in time… like tears… in the rain.

HunterBidensLapDog , to android in How does everyone feel about Oneplus phones?
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I appreciate they have unlocked bootloaders. Now that I’m comfortable upgrading my old phones with the latest Android and security updates I’ll never buy another phone that doesn’t let me unlock the bootloader like Samsung. It’s why I replaced my Note.

eeltech , to nostupidquestions in Is there a point in having multiple lemmy accounts?

only reason I made several is to "claim" my username on different lemmy instances. I'm hoping at some point I can merge or link them somehow

WhoRoger , to nostupidquestions in Is there a point in having multiple lemmy accounts?
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You can access almost everything, but some instances are either defederated, or federation may be unreliable at times. You may also wish to create communities on another instance for whatever reason. For now, you're prolly fine and then you'll see.

directive0 , to retrogaming in Which obscure systems have you played on?
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Before it closed, the Brantford Computer museum here in Ontario had an amazing collection of machines. My wife took my friends and I there for my birthday one year and oh man what a trip. They had everything on display, from common systems like the c64 to really rare ones like the Unisys Icon. All up and booted, ready to be played with. But despite all these ultra rare systems the one that caught my eye was the Apple Pippin.

I grew up an insufferable mac fanboy (now reformed and agnostic), and as a kid I had heard tons about the pippin, but it was so obscure and terrible that I was sure I would never get to play one IRL.

But there I was, smile on my face, playing Super Marathon on that crappy pippin. I had the time of my life that day.

Thanks for everything Syd. RIP dude.

maegul , to startrek in Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Strange New Worlds | 2x03 "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"
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Copied and pasted from my comment on the original thread that is still in my profile (I’d noticed something was up with the previous post but figured it would clear up with time)


Nice character episode with a simple premise and a good amount of Pelia!

I’ve always thought Trek is at its worst or riskiest when doing time travel stuff, but the tone and focus of this episode being on La’an and her relationship to her heritage really centered the episode. In a way it was a subtle, but strong, IMO, character driven plot point to have her struggle with finding for once a real intimate connection with someone destined to be lost and “forgotten”.

Having Kahn appear as a child was low-key wonderful.

What’s up with the watch? Is there more to Pelia than meets the eye? Seems she’s conveniently forced herself and her myriad belongings onto the ship for this particular time period while also (and I forget what Trek’s take on time travel is here) knowing about that watch being on board at this point … ?!

Anyone else feeling a certain lack of Pike in the first 3 episodes? Not against it, it just seems somewhat conspicuous given that I imagine the character is half of the reason the show exists.

williams_482 ,
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Anyone else feeling a certain lack of Pike in the first 3 episodes? Not against it, it just seems somewhat conspicuous given that I imagine the character is half of the reason the show exists.

Apparently Anson Mount had a new kid right around the time the beginning of the season was filmed, and they decided to give him some extra time to handle that.

khaosworks , to startrek in Episode Discussion | Star Trek: Strange New Worlds | 2x03 "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"
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Annotations at c/DaystromInstitute here.

ian , to technology in What search engine do you use?

www.marginalia.nu

Currently down for updates, but does a great job of avoiding SEO abuse/blog spam/etc. Takes you back to the earlier days of the internet when it felt like there were more forums/individual sites/etc. They’re still out there, just hidden under all the junk.

bill ,

Thanks I look forward to trying this.

rosa666parks , to gaming in What's achievement in videogames are you most proud of?

“Elden Ring” achievement in Elden Ring (obtain all achievements.) I am a very casual gamer and I played very little of dark souls 3 but I couldn’t get past the tutorial boss so I gave up. I heard many great thing about Elden Ring so I decided to give a FromSoft game another try. The freedom of that game made it really easy for a casual player like myself to go my own pace and get used to the i-frames. I fell in love with the game and my first play through I used as many summons as I could but my other play throughs I hardly used any. It turned me into a gamer that dodged and used parries which I never did before. Very good game and I’m excited to play the dlc.

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I love this place and everything inside it and also the original place and everything inside it and everything around everything

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