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Draedron , to news in [CNN] A ‘Pearl Harbor’ moment: Why didn’t Israel’s sophisticated border security stop Saturday’s attack?

Wasnt pearl harbor an attack on a military base? So a totally valid target for a war. This was an attack on civillians so the comparision is bad.

qdJzXuisAndVQb2 ,

That’s not the point of the comparison. The point of similarity is that it was a significant blow that struck without the defenders anticipating it.

Evil_Shrubbery ,

I thought it was to go to war? Before that the US pubic was super anti-joining WWII (like 80+%), then all of a sudden, for the first and last time in history of logic, in the middle of a world conflict no less, they put all of their navy eggs in one lil basket & announced that very publicly to everyone.

Neon ,

it was actually done to prevent a war, as weird as it may sound.

  1. It was meant to intimidate the Japanese and prevent them from attacking the US. kind of a “look at us, we put our fleet closer to you, we are ready to fight you, so don’t even try to attack us!” move. didn’t really work out as planned though.
  2. It was also done to intimidate the Japanese into stopping committing their Atrocities in China.

So no, it was most certainly not done to enter a war.

Evil_Shrubbery , (edited )

I know what was the formal rhetoric, yet nobody can explain how grouping ships (that Japanese already knew about & their numbers didn’t suddenly increase) in a very defenseless way helps intimidate anyone that does not come for a guided tour - which wasn’t really needed as they intentionally posted detailed photos in papers & sent the seamen on vacation.

Not to mention that you can’t intimidate someone with a bad tactical decision, this isn’t a split second decision-making, all of it takes months of planning. And all the documented warnings within the military were just ignored as false positives.

And US didn’t really give a damn about China at that time (no political pressure either), but they owned quite a lot of debt and other interests towards various European countries. But the public was still full of veterans from previous wars & Nazi propaganda was hitting strong in US (eg rich manufacturers & exporters like Ford, but also “common folk” responded to their, em, “racial theories”).

But above all that, everytime since the civil war when US arms industry didn’t get a big hike in spending seemingly extremely provoked preventable attacks happen that saway the public option in a big way for the next two decades (then hippies come, get criminalized, a few years of peace, etc).

So in about 10 years or so US will rig live nukes (in a random city like Las Vegas) & connect them to a big red bottom, pay Hollywood to make action movies about it … then sad times of money over mass tragedy continue.

On January 27, 1941, Grew secretly cabled the State Department with rumors passed on by the Peruvian Minister to Japan: “Japan military forces planned a surprise mass attack at Pearl Harbor in case of ‘trouble’ with the United States.” – wiki/Joseph_Grew

Edit: Oh, my bad, US did go beyond politics & actively blockaded resources to Japan.

conquer4 ,

Agreed, it’s more like 9/11 for Israel.

postmateDumbass ,

Were the people auditing a missing $9 trillion in government spending killed?

Neon ,

So a totally valid target for a war

only two small Problems:

  1. they didn’t constrain themselves to just military installations
  2. the Fact that there was no fucking war at the time

idk about you, but imo you need to actually be at war to be allowed to attack anything, even if you think it’s a “totally valid target for war”

corsicanguppy , to news in [CNN] A ‘Pearl Harbor’ moment: Why didn’t Israel’s sophisticated border security stop Saturday’s attack?

HUBRIS

xep , to news in [CNN] A ‘Pearl Harbor’ moment: Why didn’t Israel’s sophisticated border security stop Saturday’s attack?
BluJay320 , to news in [CNN] A ‘Pearl Harbor’ moment: Why didn’t Israel’s sophisticated border security stop Saturday’s attack?
@BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Because it wasn’t supposed to

Neon ,

care to elaborate?

theodewere , (edited ) to news in [CNN] A ‘Pearl Harbor’ moment: Why didn’t Israel’s sophisticated border security stop Saturday’s attack?
@theodewere@kbin.social avatar

nobody in the entire US military saw Jan 6 coming either

ARk ,

The US military was more prepared for the Area 51 raid

Ghyste ,

Except the Iron Dome has been active 24/7 for years and is arguably the most effective ground-based aerial defense system in the world.

Please understand that I’m not endorsing any conspiracies. I’m genuinely curious what happened. Right now my best informed hypothesis is that the sheer number of rockets launched managed to overwhelm the system.

If anyone has better information I would greatly appreciate hearing it.

Sivalente ,

The missile attack was pure saturation. So many objects in the air at once is just too much for the few launchers available. There’s only like 7 of them actually online at any given time. They cost a billion dollars each.

They waited for a day everyone wants to be home, did a massive attack to send everyone into hiding, and then breached the gates. It’s such a massive power move that no one thought they’d be stupid enough to do. Yes, it succeeded, but they can’t win, and the response now will be tenfold more powerful. And justified.

Ghyste ,

Thank you for the additional information

ryannathans ,

And somehow nobody thought it would happen on the 50th anniversary of the yom kippur war, to the day

itwasawednesday ,
@itwasawednesday@lemmy.world avatar

Is it even arguable? What else would come close? My assumption is the same, stock up and then throw everything you have blitzkrieg style in an effort to oversaturated it.

Dark_Arc ,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

Protecting the US from itself is an issue distinctly for civilian agencies… and it wasn’t that none of them failed to foresee issues… it’s that they can’t act before a crime has been committed and the capitol police were denied reinforcements.

… and it’s really that last part that’s the crux of the issue… if capital police had been given reinforcements, there never would’ve been a Jan 6th.

baldingpudenda ,

Yup, Ttere was a lot of chatter on how trump’s protest rally could easily turn violent. We’ve been slowly getting info since then that basically trump or a lackey had to give permission to send in the national guard.

Dark_Arc ,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

We knew that day of. I was watching that live the day that it happened and they repeatedly said that they were waiting on approval from the Whitehouse IIRC both for the capital police and for activation of the DC national guard.

SheeEttin ,

Several forms of conspiracy are crimes.

BradleyUffner ,

Plenty of military people saw it coming. They were prevented from acting on it by the same powers that we’re commiting the crime

Brunbrun6766 OP , to news in [CNN] A ‘Pearl Harbor’ moment: Why didn’t Israel’s sophisticated border security stop Saturday’s attack?
@Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world avatar

This has been my main question these few days, the ever hyped and ‘perfect’ Iron Dome. And Mossad, an Intelligence agency considered one of the best in the world. Where did the failure happen?

Don’t get me wrong. This attack was a tragedy. But what happened to the security infrastructure that Israel is so proud of

empireOfLove ,
@empireOfLove@lemmy.one avatar

But what happened to the security infrastructure that Israel is so proud of

Sometimes things need to magically “fail” so leaders can get the war that they want, but can’t openly start.

VentraSqwal ,

Especially when they’re in trouble for corruption charges and making sweeping changes to their country’s justice system to help themselves at the detriment of their democracy?

Neon ,

detriment of their democracy

detriment of their liberal democracy

important destinction

Pistcow ,

ACCOMPLISHED

tetraodon ,

I hate agreeing with conspiracy theories but everyone here gets what they want. Everyone being Hamas and Bibi, and what they want being sticking to power.

Brunbrun6766 OP ,
@Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world avatar

Right now it’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s important questions that need answers before it gets swept under the rug

honey_im_meat_grinding ,

When you look into the kind of stuff that happens worldwide, you’ll quickly realise that the usual conspiracy theories become tame in comparison to the real world. There’s a credible reason why an apartheid state would synthesise conditions for further oppression.

As a lesser known example, is Operation Car Wash in Brazil. You might remember a few years ago current President Lula was under investigation for corruption. Then the Car Wash leaks[1] happened and showed the whole thing was a right wing legal campaign with actual US agents involved.

It was reported that Mr. Dallagnol had called Lula da Silva’s arrest “a gift from the CIA”.

[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Car_Wash#Leaked_c…

postmateDumbass ,

And striking a music festival?

Im sure the old, conservative hardliners on both sides didnt mind that too much.

atzanteol ,

Christ, conspiracy already. 🙄

Uranium3006 ,
@Uranium3006@kbin.social avatar

The Israeli far right and Hamas are symbiotic, they justify each other's rule and keep the other in power

r_wraith ,
@r_wraith@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

That is just the thing. It was the same with GB and the IRA. Terrorist organization and the hard-line governments they oppose have a simbiotic relationship to their mutual benefit and the detriment of anybody else.

Sivalente ,

Do you victim blame rape victims too?

PupBiru ,
@PupBiru@kbin.social avatar

the victims are israelis; the government of israel is a separate entity… heck, the people in charge in israel are separate entities again

empireOfLove ,
@empireOfLove@lemmy.one avatar

The only victims here are both the Israeli and Palestinian citizens, who have more accurately been gangbanged from both sides by the IDF and Hamas.

Nice false equivalency and misinterpretation of my point.

SkyezOpen ,

The dome is pretty great but hamas claims 5k missiles launched and other sources say at least 2k. There’s no way they’re going to intercept them all. As for the intelligence failure, who knows.

Ghyste ,

This is my thinking too. Enough were launched to overwhelm the system.

elbarto777 ,

So the system is ineffective.

M500 ,

I don’t think it’s a conspiracy. It’s the first question my wife asked when I told her about it. Neither of us believe that this could have happened without Mossad knowing about it.

emberwit ,

You think it is a conspiracy then.

CarbonIceDragon ,
@CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social avatar

To be fair, it’s possible for an intelligence agency to know of a possible attack, and not have anything done about it, without a conspiracy to let it happen, if issues with communication between parts of said agency or between it and the government as a whole lead to warnings not being properly shared with the right people or not being properly acted upon.

Zaktor ,

“Bin Laden determined to strike in US.”

PapstJL4U ,
@PapstJL4U@lemmy.world avatar

I think the world is full of secret agencies, that are less competent than they claim.

Mossads public image was to neither deny or acknowkledge. It is not hard to imagine, that the world and the mossad itself were misjudging. Hybris is a hell of a problem.

SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT ,

The Iron Dome is there to stop rockets, not cars and paragliders. (The latter could potentially change.)

Any air defense system is vulnerable to saturation.

Ghyste ,

The best educated, non conspiratorial guess I can offer is that the sheer number of projectiles overwhelmed the system.

That’s accepting that the reports of thousands of rockets launched is accurate, mind you.

TheProtagonist ,

I would say the agency dealing with homeland terrorism (I guess this is the way Israel looks at this) would rather be Shin Bet than Mossad.

ComradeKhoumrag ,
@ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub avatar

I’m just gonna put a tinfoil hat on and guess some of the top secret documents Trump let Saudis / Iranians peruse had relevant Intel to these events

But I’m just guessing

TruTollTroll ,
@TruTollTroll@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think you need a tin foil hat, to believe that Trump compromised intelligence on many levels to many people he shouldn’t have…

artsii , to piracy in The Best Resource for Pirating Fonts

Can confirm, vk is legit for fonts. Just be nice on the boards and you’ll usually get what you’re looking for.

Piecemakers3Dprints , to piracy in The Best Resource for Pirating Fonts
@Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

Seems like some phishy BS, NGL.

Metal_Zealot OP ,
@Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml avatar

No different than downloading from rutracker if you ask me.

Piecemakers3Dprints ,
@Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

Rutracker doesn’t require my phone number. 🖕🏽

Metal_Zealot OP ,
@Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml avatar

No, just your email address… You don’t have to sign up to download from this site. You would know if you had bothered to even look, dink

Piecemakers3Dprints ,
@Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

I bothered to look, fuck clown. The sign-up page explicitly asks for phone number, though the preceding page says “or”. Downvote all you want, bots and all. Your post is bullshit, OP.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/79cd9ecb-3c31-4e73-ab17-8be76ab92bf7.jpeghttps://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/035e4cf5-9588-4779-9a56-20533603078a.jpeg

Metal_Zealot OP ,
@Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml avatar

I unleash my army of bots upon you, ATTACK

Lol, get off your phone man

Piecemakers3Dprints ,
@Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

What a formidable rebuttal that both debunks my screencapped proof above and completely vindicates OP.

Most impressive.

Stay in school, kiddo.

Metal_Zealot OP , (edited )
@Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml avatar

Ok, ill just keep downloading fonts without having to sign up to the website, like I always have been. You lack the ability to do more investigation, so there’s no helping you

Also, to further prove you can’t read, I AM op

Piecemakers3Dprints ,
@Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

Aww, is indirect context covered in next semester lit class? My bad. Good luck with all your future one-handed online adventures, cupcake. At least you like you, right?

Flatworm7591 ,
@Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I don’t like to see fellow pirates fighting each other - save it for the corporate overlords! To clarify this issue, you absolutely can Google search the site the OP mentioned via Google and download links etc. Think of that site kind of like the Russian Facebook/Instagram/YouTube all rolled into one. They do have an app they try to get you to download, and they do want you sign up for an account, but the content is also indexed by Google so you can find stuff without the app and without logging in, using the method described by the OP.

Can we all relax now?

Piecemakers3Dprints ,
@Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

This would’ve been a responsible addition to include in the initial post, not just for clarity but to safeguard our fellow members from the phishing evident on that login page. Thanks for weighing in. I’ll go back to kickin’ corpo teeth in.

SpeedLimit55 , to piracy in The Best Resource for Pirating Fonts

Never heard of that one, seems like Adobe never has the fonts I need. I generally get lucky with a quick google search or a site like dafont.

FrankLaskey , to technology in The dream of a chiplet marketplace is still a long way off

Here’s a non Google AMP link to the article: www.theregister.com/2023/07/01/chiplet_market/

Carighan , to fediverse in Will lemmy implement veilid?
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

i think this could be a huge asset to lemmy

In what way? Replacing the current federation protocol, ActivityPub?

Darthjaffacake OP ,

Is it not possible to use both at the same time? They’re both network protocols but surely they operate on different levels, ActivityPub is the social networking protocol and Veilid would be the method of distribution within that protocol. I’m new to all this stuff so i could definitely be wrong

Carighan ,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, I see what you mean. Uuuh, doable I suppose, but then again, why bother when it’s going to be encrypted in transit anyways (HTTPS and all) and both the sender and the recipient naturally have to be able to read it do to anything with it.

This protocol sounds more like something for torrenting or so, so that you could seed a file without knowing what it contains and hence have plausible deniability.

Darthjaffacake OP ,

That’s a really good point and not something i thought of but with https doesn’t the server still have the ability to trace users via their IP and could be asked by governments for information? I guess tor is already good enough tor that though

TheOneCurly ,
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Your instance would have connection logs for whatever browsers or mobile apps you used, but other instances talk directly to yours and know nothing about you. So use an instance hosted in a jurisdiction you’re comfortable with or like you said tor or another basic vpn is plenty to anonymize you.

Carighan ,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Plus, ActivityPub is server-to-server, it’s one instance pulling data from another. I guess what you mean could be a user accessing their instance but like you say, Tor already covers that.

It could be more relevant for something like the… name escapes me… the instagram fediverse site. Or well some file sharing system of course.

CowsLookLikeMaps , to fediverse in Will lemmy implement veilid?

Consider opening a feature request ticket on Github. :) or better yet, start working on it if you’re able to.

poVoq , to fediverse in Will lemmy implement veilid?
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

Can we please not do Google amp links here? Real link: www.theregister.com/2023/…/veilid_privacy_data/

1luv8008135 ,

The irony of using an amp link for such an article 😂

Darthjaffacake OP ,

Yeah sorry i just pasted it from my phone i didn’t realise it wasn’t the proper link

Tywele ,

You can edit links and titles on Lemmy.

flpasc , to lemmyshitpost in Test post 2

Expected: shitpost Recived: google

1 | test („should return shitpost“,()=>{ 2 | const shit = getPost(„shit“); 3 | expect(result).toBe(shitpost); | ^ 4 |. });

abbadon420 , to lemmyshitpost in Test post 2

Test comment 5

Rooki ,
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