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krolden , to linux in Lightburn laser cutting software is killing linux support.
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What dumb reasoning

atzanteol ,

They’re all valid reasons…

Steamymoomilk OP ,

For the its less than 1% maybe. For the the reason of there is to many distributions for us to support. Thats utter BS, just support at least rhel or debian if not just MAKE A FLATPAK.

for context i got lightburn running on my t440p with libreboot runing gentoo linux. I installed lightburn through there appimage and it works great! Im fine if they wanna drop outlandishly niece distros like triquel or hanna montana linux. But why linux as a whole!

krolden ,
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Them saying they have to support 200 distros is just nonsense

sanpo ,

But they’re not - it’s the same old, tired excuse that was never true.

“Too many different distros” was never really a good argument.
Just support one and users will figure it out, like we always do.

Furycd001 ,
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@sanpo @atzanteol We always figure something out (^~^)

atzanteol ,

This is a commercial product - users expect support when things don’t work. You can’t simply reply with “Hey, go figure it out” and point them at a lemmy community.

In fact they address this further down:

but a lot of Linux users will see “We support xxxx” and they’ll go off and try a different distro. It’ll mostly work, but then something doesn’t, and it takes a while for us to figure out why, and then we get a lot of arguments over why their chosen distro should work, and why we should be supporting it.

sanpo ,

users expect support when things don’t work

no shit, that’s why you refuse support for users with unsupported configurations.
This is not a new concept.
It’s standard for big companies to say they only support RHEL or Ubuntu, in every other case you’re on your own.

Instead of axing their entire Linux support they could just do the reasonable thing, which is ignore issues that are out of scope.

Or should they support users trying to run their software on Windows 95, just because it’s still technically Windows?

curbstickle ,

There are plenty of solutions out there that are debian or RHEL only, it will work on other distributions but they aren’t supported. If you have a problem, the answer will be “Use Debian” or “Use RHEL”. And there is nothing wrong with that answer.

I appreciate they are trying to support users who are veering away from the recs, but that’s on them. As is not just using flatpak - which I personally don’t like using, but absolutely use for work/commercial software.

5redie8 ,

With my incredibly limited knowledge of the system, it feels like Flatpak would be a solution to this, right? Or are they too isolated to support a printing system?

cmnybo ,

There is no reason to support all distros. They already have an appimage, they could have dropped support for everything but that.

makingStuffForFun , to linux in Lightburn laser cutting software is killing linux support.
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I was honestly looking at one. No more.

Are there any open source alternatives?

7eter ,

I was thinking about switching fron LaserGRBL to Lightburn becausethey had native Linux support… Guess I’ll keep LaserGRBL + Wine following the guide in this comment

mactan , to linux in Lightburn laser cutting software is killing linux support.

same old excuse. all they need to do is shit out a deb and the distros can all figure out their garbage from there

Telorand ,

Just open source v1.7 and let the community make their “openLight” version. They said they’re moving to custom libraries anyway, and people would be able to keep buying their products, so doesn’t seem like they stand to lose much by going the open source/abandonware route.

captain_aggravated ,
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Given my experience with their .debs they’re not great at that either. They should have pushed it as a Flatpak or Appimage.

utopiah , to linux in Lightburn laser cutting software is killing linux support.

Doesn’t really matter if it’s not open source anyway. I prefer something open source without Linux support (that can thus have community builds) than something proprietary with Linux support.

rand_alpha19 , to linux in Lightburn laser cutting software is killing linux support.

Many of us at LightBurn are Linux users ourselves, and this decision was made reluctantly, after careful investigation of all possible avenues for continuing Linux support.

If y'all use Linux, then how the fuck do you not know about Flatpak, or even AppImage? Christ.

Sanguine ,

Read the thread they said they have provided appimage for years.

Agree on the flatpak part tho, that would have solved this issue.

rand_alpha19 ,

So then why do they think that they must support every distribution? You would think they would jump on the chance to switch to Flatpak. The reasoning is ultimately pretty poor, so hopefully this isn't a shitty cover for some other decision like layoffs.

Sanguine ,

No idea, not the Dev and dont even know what product this is lol… Go read the thread 🤙

acockworkorange ,

They mention retooling to another library. I’m guessing they’re doing a UI rewrite and the chosen library isn’t Linux compatible. Since saying that will obviously bring valid criticisms of “why not choose a better library?”, they choose to blame something else. And the reason they chose that library is likely because of office politics rather than technical.

AndrewZabar ,

As an extremely experienced hardware guy but only a hobby enthusiast developer, could someone explain how AppImage and Flatpak differ?

rand_alpha19 ,

From my very basic understanding (I have only been using Linux since December), AppImages are single-file executables (kind of like a portable application) whereas Flatpaks are somewhat "distro-agnostic" packages that are sandboxed by default. They're sort of different ways of trying to solve the cross-distribution compatibility issue.

I like Flatpak better on desktop just because it's sandboxed and creates a menu entry automatically without me having to. It's generally easier to update a Flatpak too, but a dev could implement an auto-updater in an AppImage release if they wanted to. IMO, when a Flatpak isn't available, AppImages are fine, and you can extract the files from them with the --appimage-extract argument if you want to see what's in there or edit a config.

Furycd001 , to linux in Lightburn laser cutting software is killing linux support.
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@Steamymoomilk At the very least, they could create deb & or rpm packages. They also have the option to use flatpak, snap, or appimage....

possiblylinux127 , to linux in Lightburn laser cutting software is killing linux support.

Reverse engineers have entered the chat

kent_eh , to linux in Lightburn laser cutting software is killing linux support.

The only reason I paid for Lightburn in the first place is because it’s the only even slightly mature laser software that supports Linux.

Given this news, what are our options?

LagerGRBL seems to be open source, but nobody packages that for Linux as far as I can tell.

And I wasn’t able to find anything else when I was looking last year.

kitnaht ,

Honestly, Lightburn is hella developed. Even stagnated at its current state, it’s still leagues beyond anything else. It’ll continue to be a worthwhile purchase for a long time.

vapeloki ,

This does not help with Ruida Controllers and fiber Lasers. Both things I have at my company and we don’t have any Windows System.

That is such a shame. And since we need to talk over usb, wine will not work either 😞

fernlike3923 ,
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What about a VM passthrough?

vapeloki ,

We are using relativ old Hardware, old thinkpads. They would not be able to run Windows 10 or 11 bare metal ;)

ReveredOxygen ,
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What about tiny10?

rem26_art , to linux in Lightburn laser cutting software is killing linux support.
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Man i was literally looking into laser cutters like 2 days ago and saw that Lightburn supported Linux. Guess that was short lived.

communism , to linux in Lightburn laser cutting software is killing linux support.
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Crazy to me how developers would rather abandon a project (e.g. the Linux version of their software) than open source it so that the community can continue it. If you’re abandoning it then it’s not generating profit for you anymore anyway, so literally no reason not to open source it. Oh no, are you worried people will use that to build Windows versions for free instead of paying for a licence? Boo hoo.

Psyhackological ,
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If you can’t maintain it let the community do that ESPECIALLY enthusiasts.

flux ,

Well that’s exactly the worry. Why shouldn’t it be? It is their business and livehood.

transientpunk , to linux in Lightburn laser cutting software is killing linux support.
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To our valued Linux users:

Fuck you.

Sincerely,

The LightBurn Software Team

AndrewZabar ,

Oooo I didn’t know Lemmy had automatic translation lol.

EddyBot , to linux in Lightburn laser cutting software is killing linux support.

thats a big hit for non-commercial laser cutting enthusiasts
Between Visicut and Lightburn, the later was miles away even with its quirks and testing all sorts of stuff with boxes.py was a lot of fun

bummer

nickwitha_k , to linux in Lightburn laser cutting software is killing linux support.

What FOSS alternatives exist? This is exactly the reason not to rely on closed-source for hardware support.

g5pw ,

There’s LaserWeb but apparently it doesn’t support closed source (Chinese) firmware so you’d need to change your laser’s controller…

nickwitha_k ,

Might be worth doing some file analysis. The big CO2 laser at my Makerspace has a “proprietary” format that is really just PostScript. Working around that stuff should be doable.

greybeard , to linux in Lightburn laser cutting software is killing linux support.

As a LightBurn user and license holder, this is annoying, but I could see this being a good thing in the long run. Right now, there is very little opensource alternative to LightBurn. As of today, there is a much stronger incentive to make it happen. I’m hopeful this spurs on a modern tool in the open source community that works as an alternative. What LightBurn might have done is save them selves some support overhead and created competition. We’ll see how that works out for them.

MrPhibb ,
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Indeed, this would be nice to see. For me, the problem is really that LightBurn is over kill, for a cheap basic machine, you really don’t need half of what it offers. Heck, I’d love to see an Android software for lasers, and am surprised that hasn’t happened yet.

delirious_owl , to linux in Lightburn laser cutting software is killing linux support.
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Guess you don’t want any Swiss government contracts

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