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brsrklf , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

No way they can enforce that. I hope nobody is going to intimidated by this.

themoonisacheese ,
@themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

This isn’t a “we’ll sue you” clause, it’s a “we’ll never do business with you again” clause

themeatbridge ,

Which is usually unwritten but understood. It’s wild that they put it in writing.

TWeaK ,

Well normally they just tell you you aren’t allowed to talk about the game period. This is a slightly relaxed position from that stance.

PseudorandomNoise ,
@PseudorandomNoise@lemmy.world avatar

Yes but it still looks bad because it’s saying “you can talk about it, but only if you say nice things”. A full embargo would’ve made more sense and wouldn’t have raised any eyebrows. This current contract leads me to believe it’s a shit game.

TWeaK ,

Yeah, I think they normally do full embargoes for that exact reason.

brsrklf ,

Embargoes do get a bit of backlash sometimes, but not nearly enough.

When I am aware they are a huge red flag for me in any case.

jj4211 ,

Embargoes do get a bit of backlash sometimes, but not nearly enough.

Why should a full embargo get backlash? They are trying to get input for an understanding, controlled population before unleashing it on a wider public. The whole idea is that the preview is not representative enough to start setting expectations for everyone. But it is far enough along to get the general idea and get feedback to address.

I am constantly testing pretty well known products in advance of their release and they are frequently crap. Like one thing I’m working on hasn’t been able to work at all for a week due to some bugs that something I did triggered and they haven’t provided an update yet. However when they actually are available to the general customers, they are pretty much always solid and get good reviews. If I publicly reviewed it, it could tank this product even though no one could possibly hit most of the stuff that I hit.

A full embargo seems fair. The selective embargo seems like an unfair idea, but also is a bad idea. If everyone knows they are allowed to talk about it, but only the good parts, then people will be speculating on what is not said. One product I tested had someone fanboying so hard about it they were begging the product team to lift the embargo so they could share their enthusiasm. They said no, they didn’t want partially informed internet speculation running until they could address all aspects of the product publicly, and frankly there was too much crappy parts even if he was over the moon over the product and didn’t really use the bad parts.

I suppose I could see being uncomfortable with the “testers” also being the likely “reviewers”, because your are developing to the tastes of specific reviewers and tailoring for a good review in the end even if those reviewers aren’t fully representative of the general population. It’s easier to get a few dozen key influencers happy by catering to them/making them feel special, than releasing a product and hoping you hit their sensibilities.

TheFriar , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

I hope there is a bunch of really sarcastic positive reviews, listing everything they hate about the game as if it’s what they really love about the game.

Vespair ,

Yep, this is the move 👍

aberrate_junior_beatnik ,

The ToS forbids satirical reviews. I’d start a review by reading out this portion of the ToS and then make a list of things I hate, just saying I’m not allowed to talk about this aspect of the game, or this aspect of the game, etc, etc.

Serinus ,

Judges are smarter than that. So are juries.

gaylord_fartmaster ,

A judge would probably throw this out long before it went to a jury.

aberrate_junior_beatnik ,

Yeah, I sometimes forget that the law isn’t a code to be broken with this One Neat Trick. That goes double when you are going up against power.

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

It’s a mobile game from NetEase. I think it’s a excellent opportunity to be a madlad and review it like that because fuck them.

Aww boo hoo I can’t review any more of their shitty gacha games?

HuddaBudda , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest
@HuddaBudda@kbin.social avatar

No satire? Guess anything on the internet is out of the question then.

Engaging or providing subjective negative reviews

What do they think a review is?! If they wanted an advertisement, buy an ad spot on Google ya cheap bastards.

Vespair ,

Because they want the benefits of advertising with the power of word-of-mouth, all at the expense of free.

That they think they can get away with it is bananas to me.

EatATaco ,

If you say “x and y is broken it not implemented yet” that’s an objective negative review.

troglodytis ,

If both x and y are broken, then it’s totally unplayable.

Y’all heard it here, this person says Marvels Rivals is unplayable. Do not preorder!

EatATaco ,

I actually looked into the game because I didn’t know anything about it and figured I should inform myself a bit.

What makes this whole overreacting raging we are seeing here even more funny and ridiculous is that the game is going to be FTP. So basically, once released, anyone can go and try it out, for free, to see whether or not it’s worth any investment by them.

So, yeah, if someone is offering you to pre-order this game, I definitely suggest you not buy it because they are trying to scam you.

troglodytis ,

Y’all heard it here, this person says Marvel’s Rivals is a totally unplayable pay to win scam!

Adalast ,

I saw that line and immediately thought “oh ho ho, we have a loophole. This wasn’t a subjective review, it was entirely objective. The game is objectively shit.”

cactusupyourbutt ,

you can do a non subjective review.

Product X has Y thingamagingies which is better than their previous model and Z percent more than their competitors product

PapstJL4U , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest
@PapstJL4U@lemmy.world avatar

Just black list people like a normal company - whoever i suspect they did this to revoke access during EA.

Veedem , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest
@Veedem@lemmy.world avatar

I’m assuming it’s with regards to the Play Test which is in very early stages and shouldn’t be judged as completed. Seems fair enough if it’s nowhere near complete

hoshikarakitaridia ,
@hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world avatar

Right. It makes sense right up until the point where they only act on negative reviews.

Non disclosures / non disparagement are industry standard, but this is bonkers. Non-disclosure but only for the stuff we don’t like? The fuck

Timecircleline , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

Hmm… A perfectly neutral review with a share of the wording from the contract is nothing but factual, and I believe could be argued to be non disparaging?

voracitude ,

No, disparaging is disparaging, even if it’s warranted. But, if I were a small streamer who got a key, I would just repeat the non-disparagement clause any time I saw something obviously broken.

They can stop me saying anything negative but that doesn’t cover body language (they might try to sue but they wouldn’t ever be able to prove it to the degree required unless I had posted something like this explanation, and even then it’s dicey), and I don’t see anything in there about a minimum number of positive sentences of words to hit. God help these chucklefucks if they ever run into a Djinni or a cursed monkey’s paw.

JCreazy , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

It’s one of the reasons that nobody says anything bad about the product that their sponsor provided to them. Either that or people don’t want to ruin their relationship with their sponsors so they will talk highly of a product even if it isn’t good.

_sideffect , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

Aww, the Devs feelings might get hurt

rockSlayer ,

Nah, this is a pathetic attempt to get free ads from games journalists without any downsides

voracitude ,

The developers of the game had zero input on this. They’re developers; this is a contract which would be written by lawyers, directed by management. The same management who force crunch on the devs you want to blame. Learn to recognise the enemy, please and thanks.

_sideffect ,

Management is part of the development team… Developers doesn’t just mean programmers.

A director of a project is still management, but also a developer.

InquisitiveApathy , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

I was in his stream when people sent him the contract they signed just to get the key. Wild. The game is janky looking as fuck so they definitely know how bad it is.

Blxter , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest
@Blxter@lemmy.zip avatar

Could be wrong but this does not sound sound outlandish for a alpha. There should be no point to ruin a name/brand before it is out. You should not leave a “review” of a unfinished product.

zalgotext ,

If the product is unfinished, why is it being released to the public, in any capacity?

If they want to playtest and find bugs in their unfinished product, they should do that. By paying a QA team and playtesters, not by trying to dupe streamers into generating free advertisement.

Blxter ,
@Blxter@lemmy.zip avatar

You have never played an early alpha of a game and signed a NDA to not disclose it I did this with many games the finals, th division heatland, x defient, arc raiders etc. although in this case since there are yt videos and streams seems a little weird. I was uneducated the games I am talking about when I played had watermarks on them and were made for testing etc had no idea the game was like viewable. In this case it looks more like if tarkov or an EA game said you can’t leave reviews.

To clarify yes I fully agree that not ok and didn’t know the full facts.

Artyom , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

It must be a REALLY good game. Only the best games that were already going to get high reviews would ever resort to such a policy

Sam_Bass , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

Basically makes any test results null and void

limitedduck ,

How? The agreement restricts public statements, not negative feedback as a whole.

zaph ,

or providing subjective negative reviews

I’m not sure what your argument is here but it doesn’t seem solid. How is a reviewer supposed to do their job?

limitedduck ,

The Closed Alpha playtest isn’t an invitation to publicly review, it’s an invitation to playtest. They’re trying to gather data and feedback on an inherently feature-incomplete and unpolished game to help with development. There are going to be private channels for feedback and the playtest data itself is like feedback so public channels are redundant. Obviously Marvel is also just trying to dodge criticism, but that’s not a mutually exclusive reason.

Carighan ,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah this seems to be something people are missing. These tests sometimes prohibit all reviewing and commenting in their NDAs (including positive ones). It’s a playtest, not a beta, review copy or pre-release.

Sam_Bass ,

You sure? Post doesnt stipulate

01189998819991197253 , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

It did say “subjective negative reviews”. I would take that to mean that strictly objective negative reviews are perfectly acceptable.

fmstrat , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest

Every reviewer who signed this should post a review, but of the business practices and why not to buy the game.

lauha ,

engage in any discussions that are detrimental to the reputation of the game

You would literally break the contract

EvilBit ,

Arguably it’s not detrimental to the reputation of the game, but the company.

“Great game. Never buy it.”

fmstrat ,

“It’s a game. Don’t buy from them.”

fmstrat ,

Nope. They would be talking about the company not the game.

lauha ,

Which discourages people from buying the game, thus hurting the game.

Buttons ,
@Buttons@programming.dev avatar

“Good game, but the company behind it is shit and required me to sign this contract. <Insert contract clause>. Remember this whenever your reading the totally honest reviews about how good the game is.”

AeonFelis ,

When they reach the aspects of the game that they didn’t like they can just say “let’s skip this next part about CTF mode, because I signed a contract” and let the viewers deduce what they deduce.

iterable , to games in Marvels Rivals requires creators to sign a contract that removes your right to give a negative review in order to access the playtest
@iterable@sh.itjust.works avatar

I mean most play tests let you say nothing at all. So not sure if this is better or worse.

Blxter ,
@Blxter@lemmy.zip avatar

I think the difference is that those play tests we are thinking of are for lack of other terms locked down. Playtests I have done were not able to be recorded, streamed and had water markers all over the place. In this case people are playing and streaming making videos at that point you should be able to give opinions on the game.

xkforce , (edited )

Saying nothing at all is better than only being allowed to say good things and none of the bad. The former doesnt shift opinions in either direction but the latter introduces a pro-buying bias to reviews. Good for the publisher and no one else.

Skates ,

It’s worse.

Playtest results inhibit you from disclosing things because they are subject to change. They take gamers’feedback, decide if they want to act on it, and at the end of the day the finished product may look different so it makes no sense for people to loudly state “they have feature X, and they don’t have feature Y” because by release it may be the other way around.

Whereas this type of contract says “idgaf what’s bad about the game, you can only sing its praises online”.

Silence > dishonesty.

echodot ,

If it’s actually a closed beta then it shouldn’t be open to streamers at all. If are going to allow stream is to play it then it’s not really a closed beta. It’s a marketing gimmick.

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