Linux has been a great gaming experience for me. Optimizations and what not make my games run faster than they ever did on windows. Also not being able to play rainbow six siege is a plus in my book
I’ve been using Nobara for about a year, maybe more and it really is no fuss. Comes with most things you need ready out of the box, or easily added with the post install tool. Only thing I added was Heroic Games Launcher. I set up a just in case Windows partition, but haven’t booted it since making the switch.
Tbh, I installed Mint on my gaming pc and all the games I‘m currently playing (mostly cities skylines and mechabellum) and everything worked out of the box. Mechabellum performes a bit worse than on Win11 but it‘s good enough to enjoy the game.
How about you galaxy brain “just switch to linux” people actually give some helpful advice? Clearly there’s a registry edit that can be made for Windows users that would take all of 5 seconds to complete, rather than an entire week formatting, installing, reconfiguring an entirely new OS that also requires a degree of command line knowledge.
People who spend half their free time troubleshooting a simple driver install on their OS need to feel like it’s worth it, hence they justify it by their sense of superiority. Sunk cost.
“Driver install” is mainly a windows thing. Linux ships with drivers that just work out of the box for nearly everything, with the only notable exception being Nvidia‘s proprietary drivers. However, every distro streamlines the installation process for that since it’s so common (And Nvidia is slowly moving towards open source anyways)
The first time you connect a printer to your linux machine and you find that it just fucking works is when you will see the light.
And most games work, and most programs work, and for the rare ones that don’t you can use a Windows VM as long as you have just enough attention span to sit through a youtube tutorial
Proton for gaming on Linux has come a long way. You still cannot get to 100% parity with all games and programs, and if you absolutely need something that isn’t supported on Linux, you are out of luck, but chances are that most people would actually be able to use everything they need. I understand there’s also the learning curve and not everyone has time or inclination, but for those that do, in 2023 it’s absolutely worth a try.
I find it a bit ironic that the thing that made it easier to ditch windows completely was o365 web apps, they’re actually decent if you have to use them. Thanks microsoft.
I think the just use linux voices are getting louder because every day more things just work out of the box, it may not quite be there for everyone yet but it’s getting better every day.
I use Windows for gaming but if we need an in-depth technical solution every time Microsoft comes up with some new annoying BS, maybe Linux users have a point to suggest something else. It’s not like the Registry is exactly intuitive to the average user.
yeah, it’s frustrating when they’re smug about it but I’d argue that suggesting an alternative where this issue doesn’t happen is helpful advice even if you don’t agree with it. I do agree that ‘just switch to linux’ is a gross oversimplification as there will be some growing pains and there are a few hurdles that may at present be unsurmountable. I also find it amusing that you present digging up registry hacks and fighting for control over your system for the rest of time to be easier than a modern linux installer that takes about 5 minutes to click through the gui with no command line knowledge needed. I guess the point is that you should use whatever you’re comfortable with, but if you haven’t tried linux in a while you might find it to be less of a fight than windows is becoming.
This… is actually true. I’ll concede that even as recently as 4, 5 years ago it might have not been entirely true, but now it is - Linux has become so accessible (look at Mint, Pop_OS) while Windows has (somehow) become even more hostile to its user base to the point that an average user would actually have an easier time switching than staying in the long term. I didn’t think I’d be able to write this with a straight face, but I honestly think this is now true.
Microsoft will never stop developing new ways to be anticompetitive leeches on society. You learn how to use one debloating tool, they’ll take the developer of that debloating tool to court and have it pulled from circulation. You learn what registry key to edit, they’ll change it. You get used to a menu, they’ll remove it.
You have a choice: 1, You can continue that arms race with a monstrous evil megacorp, which you will continue to lose, or 2, you can switch to a platform that doesn’t treat you this way in the first place.
Linux Mint among many others has a feature complete GUI which will provide anything the average user needs, including a graphical app “store” for installing software. The desktop paradigm is quite similar to Windows, it will be mostly familiar. The CLI is frankly easier to deal with than Windows’ endless and redundant series of settings menus and applications. When someone asks for help on a text-based forum like StackOverflow or Reddit or Lemmy, it’s easier to tell them “Open a terminal and copy-paste lshw -f” than it is to tell them “Open the Start menu and click Programs > Administration >Regedit then look for a thing that says win11embraceextendextinguish and toggle that from 1 to 0, and do this after every update because it automatically changes it back.”
Linux does not require a week to install. Windows does. My father bought a new Dell about the time I built my little Ryzen box I’m typing this on. It took him over a week to wipe the factory Win 10 Dell Bloatware Edition image for vanilla Win 10, fuck around with drivers, then manually go to individual software websites, download installers, run them, haul out CDs and DVDs and install software (including Office 2010, the damned old chad) one at a time, then restore a backup of his files…He was actively engaged with this task for over a week. I had it done in about three hours, most of which I actually spent trimming my hedges while waiting for files to download or transfer from an external HDD. It was a 100% GUI process; I didn’t open a terminal throughout.
Sure, Linux is different than Windows and this will take some learning. Just like Windows does every time they come out with a new version and you have to learn where they arbitrarily rearranged basic functions to this time. When I switched to Linux a decade ago, it was a similar process in going from Win 98 to Win XP, or XP to 7. Except after awhile the basic reorientation finished, and I started learning new things.
I don't care that much about privacy anyway. I don't really get why privacy geeks talk about Google collecting your searches while willingly keeping Mozilla telemetry (which is something W disables by default) on. What's the difference? I get why Google shouldn't be collecting external data but I have no issue at all with giving them the data I actually input. Plus Firefox has a lot more deals with bad privacy groups like Google, Fakespot, and Pocket.
You can't make the assumption that they got worse on privacy just because they got bought. They're open-source, show me the code.
Waterfox is said to be slightly faster. They also seem to have a lot more focus for development.
Waterfox disables some of the Mozilla BS, like Pocket and that weird redesign of tabs to floating, by default.
It may be a reference to a pattern I noticed when I was still dating. I noticed that it was usually (greater than 50%) the single moms that were the most daring, willing to explore, kinky, etc cetera, in the bedroom. It might have been because being a single parent (speaking as a formerly single father) doesn’t afford a lot of spare time and on top of that, there are a lot of people not willing to date anyone with a child. So sometimes you are just very excited to have someone interested in you and are willing to go the distance even if it might not be the cat’s meow.
Single moms are my bread and butter. They’re super into it, they have no time for bullshit, they just wanna go. If you’re going for the right single moms you won’t ever even meet the kids.
Married moms are even better. Last three gals I’ve ‘dated’ have been married. As a single father with full custody I get the time to focus on my kids, never have to worry about the whole meeting the kids conversation, and an hour or two a few times a week, usually during work (I work from home), is the perfect amount of time to spend with someone especially when none of it needs to be about stupid shit, they got some loser cuc at home to bitch at.
As others have said, there’s going to be some registry setting you can change to negate this. Short term, this should work, but may need to be repeated if any updates revert the change.
The long term solution is to just stop using Windows, because it’s clear Microsoft is intent on turning it into a bloated, ad-infested piece of trash.
Windows 7 (or arguably XP) was the last decent version of Windows, in my opinion. Once I saw what was coming next, I started dabbling in Linux. Now I use Linux most of the time. It’s definitely a big change, and there’s a lot of new stuff to learn, but I love having an operating system that doesn’t look like a corporate junk mailer pamphlet.
I wanted to agree, but then they just had to add a load of bullshit invalidating everything else.
You can’t tell me that Linux isn’t easy in this day when the biggest hurdle is just the installation; that Windows is well designed (better than Linux, which isn’t really an apples to apples comparison, there’s so many distros, many of which are surely better than it anyway) when it very clearly isn’t, not only by being hostile to the user, but the layers of paint they have to stack on top of each other every major release because, god forbid, their enterprise users are gonna freak out if you rewrite the core apps from scratch and give them a coherent experience. Microsoft is a monopoly and acts like it, if you have the occasion to move away from it, then it’s the best decision you can make.
All that said, telling people to move to Linux when they ask a specific OS related question is stupid and doesn’t help the person in need. Give them the answer they’re looking for and let them figure out for themselves if the whole OS they’re using is bad and if they should switch out.
I think this is the biggest help they can get. We are selflessly sharing what is free and works the best for you. You have to admit that we have no bad intentions.
I get that the comment is almost surely circlejerk, but it is also honestly the only real answer to OP’s question, isn’t it? To switch OS?
So it’s kind of hard to get mad at their comment when it’s the only viable option. Is your problem with Linux or is it the fact that it brings you anxiety to know MS is in control of you? What if we substitute another OS for “Linux”? Does that make you feel any better?
I’m honestly not trying to be a jerk; these are honest questions. That’s probably saying more than for OP, though; they, of course, knew the answer before they asked.
So a new OS is the answer for a pop up OP gets? I use Linux professionally and I can definitely tell you are deluded cuz Linux is pretty shit from a user perspective
Well, you want to stop one pop up and there’s likely a Windows-based solution.
But as long as you are still on windows, there will always be another popup. Begging you to try a new service or buy a new product. When someone asks “ever again” the only answer in Linux.
Microsoft has made it clear they don’t give a shit about home users.
Why are you expecting obscure Windows advice (MS obscures it because they want to continue nagging people to use their shit) from people who gave up entirely on Windows?
MS is nagging people to use products they don’t want to and now you’re nagging someone who doesn’t use Windows for advice that they likely don’t know and probably don’t really care to find out.
There’s probably a way to prevent this specific pop-up from appearing, but that solution may or may not apply to future pop-ups. The only way to guarantee windows will never nag you is to not use it. Even giving in will just prevent this particular nag.
Because in this case, the error is “we’ve detected you’re not drinking Ford branded tea, click here to subscribe to our tea service!” along with many other codes that aren’t that hard to individually clear but gives a clear indication of how MS sees its userbase.
While I wouldn’t comment something like that myself, as I think it’s not productive, it’s quite strange as a Linux user to see these posts like “The makers of the OS I use on the computer I paid money for and now own are trying to screw me over in a new way today. How can I fix it?”
The fundament of GNU/Linux and Windows are totally different. The annoying things with Windows are just symptoms of the underlying principle, which is to milk you as much as possible. It’s like switching from smoking to not smoking
The thing I am now curious about is if this is, quite predictably, Lemmy’s existing culture, OR if they were having a perfectly good time in their clubhouse until all the most insufferable Redditors came charging in here.
I’m kinda wondering the same thing, minus the “insufferable” part. (Then again, maybe the original Lemmy users do consider us “insufferable” for messing up Lemmy’s culture? Who knows?)
There were a lot of linux users before too, c/linux was one of the most active communities, about the culture it could be better but at least all the tankies have been drowned out
My car serves my needs more than a truck does. Not only is it easier for a wheelchair user to get in, I can load/unload easier and it’s more comfortable for me to drive.
Better is debatable. For the average dev, Linux is an obvious improvement for most development tasks. For the casual user? Not even Ubuntu is 100% out of the box yet. I’m currently working through the migration to Ubuntu as my main OS and there have been things where I 100% had to open up a terminal for (or something similarly manual or confusing), which is typically not an option for non-developers or the technologically disinclined. Most Linux diehards seem to forget that not everyone is technologically literate, especially when they push the latest fork of a fork of a branch of arch with barely any UI or support for familiar applications.
What exactly had you going for the terminal? Although not a fan of that distro in particular, I must admit they were the ones who made a significant push to make Linux more accessible to every one.
I’d risk 97% of end user machines nowadays are ready to go after going through a standard install of Ubuntu.
I wish. Both at home and in the office, we rely on too many Windows-dependent applications that do not work on Linux.
I run Ubuntu as my main OS since I can kinda do what I want with my laptop at work and obviously control my personal laptop as well, but everything production-wise at work is Windows on the client side, and I still have a Windows PC for gaming for games that require anti cheat that isn’t supported on Linux.
I vastly prefer Linux but Windows is a far lower friction/barrier to entry for most.
People resist change because of familiarity or, even worse, it’s the crap that comes preloaded with every computer and some idiot told them they void warranty if it is removed (this is illegal nowadays but many shops still float this idea).
I can understand specialized applications but the bulk of office work does not require it. And industrial applications even prefer linux as it means they can tailor the software to their specific uses.
I was writing this and what came to mind was a conversation on a podcast where journalists were at some point debating they could not live without their Apple computers, while complaining how expensive they were.
They write text! Any freaking OS can provide support for at least two dozens of text processors.
I think the first thing was Windows’ fault (and also the fault of my dual boot setup, which i imagine most casual users won’t be going for) - apparently “Fast Startup” means doing some hardware shenanigans that prevents Ubuntu from hooking into the motherboard’s network adapter.
After disabling that, I had to install a specific version of the nvidia graphics driver (535) from a PPA to get all 4 of my monitors working. Before that, I couldn’t configure display settings at all because my screens would flash for too long and prevent me from clicking the “Keep Settings” button. And before that, only one monitor worked and the other three were black screens that I could move the mouse to, but couldn’t move applications to.
And finally I had to figure out how to set a “default” audio device because apparently this isn’t a configurable thing (that I could find). I noticed I would have to manually set my audio device after every reboot - after enough reboots I found that there is a command to list audio devices by ID and to set the active output device by ID, so I added it to the list of startup commands. Honestly this one is the most perplexing because I would think setting a default audio device from a list of multiple would be some pretty basic functionality. I’m guessing that I probably just missed it, or gnome hides it.
After that is mostly gaming setup stuff. I would consider it to be common knowledge that most games aren’t intended to be run on Linux, so I don’t mind some difficulty there.
Slightly unrelated, I have learned that apt purging openssl is a huge no-no and am now reinstalling Ubuntu again entirely :)
I can’t speak for the Nvidia issue. (Only that it is widely know that Nvidia actively works against Open source and only just has begun changing their stance, so Nvidia support is still poor on Linux. Their proprietary drivers aren’t great either. I stick to AMD since using Linux, they work great out of the box)
But the audio issue baffles me. Under Kubuntu with KDE I just klick on the Loudspeaker in the systray and choose the device. It even remembers it over unplugging and replugging devices.
Rgarding openssl: Thats the price you pay for freedom, you can change the system how you want, even into non working states ^^ BTW: You can repair such mistakes with a LiveCD even major ones like this.
I had a dual boot where windows would from time to time rewrite the boot and the system would just load into it.
Because it was an older motherboard it still had IDE and SATA; after some research, I found someone saying it was a BIOS “feature” where the default master HDD was alway on the IDE channel. The solution: get rid of the IDE disk (and windows along with it).
The rest of what you describe remembers my own misadventures when I started. But back then at 2006 and with Debian.
I’ve read articles where people were saying that even running the NVidia Quadro boards was very much anti-climatic, with the biggest hurdle being installing the proprietary drivers.
And when it comes to games, WINE is going very far to make many things works where they were never intended to. And many titles are already being shipped with penguin in mind
But if your car has flat tires every 3000 miles, the engine explodes occasionally for no reason, the dash display keeps telling you about accessories you don’t want instead of your speed, and the factory door locks are coat hangers twisted into an O ring, then shopping around seems like a good idea.
What about “INSTALL A DIFFERENT OS!!!”? Is that better? There are reasonably two others to choose from, and one of those doesn’t require the purchase of expensive equipment and arguably a path into an even more controlled ecosystem.
And your analogy is way off. This isn’t a malfunction of Windows that a technician is going to fix, never to be seen again. This is more like a rep from the car manufacturer meeting you at your car every morning to ask if you want to install their factory upgrade. You tell them that you never want to see them again, so next week they start sending a different representative. You have no other options.
Well, except getting a free car that doesn’t send a rep.
LMR should have been more helpful in this thread, but, more people installing Linux will solve more issues with Windows beyond a pop-up. Maybe Microsoft will actually improve their OS instead of putting FUCKING ADVERTISEMENTS IN WINDOWS 11
I forget the name of it, but I remember there is (or at least used to be) a tool that would give you more granular control over the stuff that’s under the hood of Windows.
If you search for “Windows God mode tool” or something along those lines, your should be able to find it.
Not sure if this will get rid of your pop-up modal specifically, but it might allow you to mess with other configurations that can prevent these sorts of things.
Windows works (more or less) out of the box. Linux, doesn’t work out of the box, every single thing you want to install takes 5x as long as it would on Windows. Gaming is still a mess. I’m not arguing that Linux isn’t more capable with less bloatware and shit, but it’s definitely not something your average computer user could ever wrap their head around.
I would posit that perhaps your experience with linux was negatively impacted by a (or multiple) difficult distros. There are many distro’s, of which I’d recommend endeavourOS, that work ‘out of the box’ and install things extremely quickly. I agree that the majority of distro’s haven’t reached ‘general user viability’ yet, but it’s folly to continue to promote such anti-consumer operating systems and software(s) as those produced by companies like Microsoft and Apple.
These companies produce a nice front-facing software that has a generally unreliable and easily broken back end with multiple security holes that are often left unpatched and unnoticed until a nation state has the opportunity to use the zero day as an attack vector. In no way am I saying ‘open source solves all’ because even the AUR has serious issues with oversight, but the requirement for education of the userbase and promoting open source values is certainly more important than embracing anti-consumer companies and practices to the detriment of not only the current general user but several generations of users as well.
The internet is slowly getting more and more restricted and as it becomes so the only ones to benefit are technological oligopolies. We’re in the era of tech-barons now, and it’s vastly more unequal than when oil barons were in power and that’s not something I’d ever expected to see in my lifetime and I doubt it was something our grandparents or great grandparents expected either.
Freedoms being eroded from virtual reality having the impact of eroding freedoms in reality as well
Endeavouros is pretty new user friendly and from what I’ve seen they’ve got a bunch of distro cheat sheets for new users, be it to the distro, arch based distro’s or linux altogether. Out of all the arch based communities I’ve seen, most of which just respond with “RTFM”, the endeavouros community has been very supportive of new users trying to learn on their OS.
I think most people recommend arch as an ‘initial distro’ because after the annoying learning curve involved in the initial few weeks, you can basically use any distro with ease
I’ve never seen this appear. Is this in chrome? Anyway, like some people here have suggested, you can use a debloater script or something similar. I personally use O&O Shutup10. Hopefully enabling some options in there would work. Or you could just accept it and then change your search engine back to whatever you use lol.
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