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popekingjoe , to selfhosted in Do you poweroff your server during night / unused times?
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Server is on 24/7 and it has a UPS for the momentary brown outs I have during heavy winds. It would be silly if it’s off for any reason besides maintenance, even more so since it holds multiple game worlds in addition to some web and chat stuff.

flop_leash_973 , to selfhosted in Do you poweroff your server during night / unused times?

Mine stays on 24/7/365 unless I am going to be out of town.

h3ndrik , to selfhosted in Do you poweroff your server during night / unused times?

Entirely depends on the usecase. If it's a NAS and you only watch a few movies in the evening: Turn it off.

I bult a fairly power-efficient server. Consumes less than 20W and spins down the harddisks if not in use.

I can't turn it off because none of the lightbulbs in the house would turn on anymore, my website would go down, my Fediverse instance wouldn't pull any posts from American people who are awake during parts of the night. My emails and chat messages wouldn't get delivered.

I don't have a UPS. Also depends on the circumstances. I use ext4 as a filesystem which is kind of robust enough to handle power outages. And they're rare where I live. A UPS would draw additional power and cost money. It's not worth it for me at home.

Scrath ,

I can’t turn it off because none of the lightbulbs in the house would turn on anymore

Personally I try to avoid making anything in my home actually dependant on my server. I have a single lamp that can only be controlled from my phone and that’s only because it’s so rarely used that I didn’t want to put in the effort. Everything else is local first and only gets extended functionality from my server running.

I’ve had a couple issues with my zigbee stuff over the years on the server side and I would be really pissed if I wouldn’t be able to turn my lights on because I haven’t gotten around to fixing my server yet.

h3ndrik ,

Sure. All that stuff has consequences. I also used to run a DNS Adblocker on that machine. So after a power outage, all the lights in the kitchen and livingroom (those are the smart ones) would turn on at full brighness (their default state). The internet wouldn't ever come back since it's missing its DNS server. Obviously I can't get any notification of the incident, since my server is down... And I fall back to being reachable via phone or SMS. If my wife tells me via chat or email... That's down, too.

I'm still working on a better solution. It ain't easy, though. It's certainly easier to use some cloud services and have other people keep the infrastructure running in some datacenters which have more redundancy... We have light switches, though. All my smart home stuff is just retrofitted. So we can still turn it off or on with the wall switches. I won't change that until I come up with a solution to this problem. Until then, I've dialed things a bit back and I refrain from making everything "smart" when I can't do it 100% reliably.

And it's just some lights and the washing machine. While I am a nerd and tinkerer, I don't see any good reason to own a smart toaster, fridge or Alexa. YMMV, of course.

lud ,

Doesn’t your phone switch back to mobile service if the internet isn’t reachable on your LAN?

h3ndrik , (edited )

yes, the phone switches to mobile. It's just all the selfhosted services that are missing, like my nextcloud, matrix chat, etc. And several apps complaining they can't sync anymore or send messages. I don't use that many cloud services, so it'll be a lot of things I rely on. Browsing the web works. But I've changed things and moved the adblocker. So now that one issue is gone. It still doesn't solve the real issue... But at least the wifi comes back on its own.

lud ,

Do you selfhost email too?

h3ndrik ,

Currently yes. I have a bit of a non-standard setup though. Like a business contract with my internet service provider, which includes a few perks that are required to send mail and are missing on a normal residential internet connection (static ip, dns reverse pointer). And generally 95% of people recommend not to do email yourself. I might change in the future. Back in the days it was a few bucks more a month, but they increased prices substantially. Either I move my mailserver to a VPS or save me some time and effort and switch to some email service like everyone else.

RotaryKeyboard ,
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I can’t turn it off because none of the lightbulbs in the house would turn on anymore

If you have Hue bulbs, you can buy little radios that attach to your light switch (or replacement light switches) that will still operate your lights when the server is down or the network is unavailable. It’s a worthwhile upgrade.

thirdBreakfast , to selfhosted in Do you poweroff your server during night / unused times?
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My NAS and production server run 24/7, I’ve got a dev server that I turn off if I’m not expecting to use it for a week or so. Usually when I do that, I immediately need it for something and I’m away from home. I have chosen equipment to try and minimize energy use to allow for constant running.

My view on UPS is it’s a crucial part of getting your availability percentage up. As my home lab turned into crucial services I used to replace commercial cloud options, that became more important to me. Whether it is to you will depend on what you’re running and why.

I’ve heard that one of the most likely times for hard drives to fail is on power up, and it also makes sense to me that the heating/cooling cycles would be bad for the magnetic coating, so my NAS is configured to keep them spinning, and it hasn’t been turned off since I last did a drive change.

Sunny OP , to selfhosted in Do you poweroff your server during night / unused times?

Ignore the URL; I wasn’t allowed to post without a link?? kept getting invalid URL, without anything in the field. Not sure why…?

yo_scottie_oh ,

I’m guessing it’s because you’d selected Link as the post type instead of Text.

Sunny OP ,

Posted using Photon frontend. Doesn’t give that choice, you just include what you want in the post normally…

yo_scottie_oh ,

Interesting. I wonder if that’s a bug in the Photon app. I use Voyager on mobile. When I tap to create a new post, there is a toggle for link, image, or text.

Sunny OP ,

Yeah I would use that when I am on my phone too, but for web i much prefer Photon :)

Xylight ,
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Hey, I’m the dev. I fixed this recently

Sunny OP ,

Thank you 🙌

headset , to selfhosted in Do you poweroff your server during night / unused times?

As someone who enjoys pluging USB drives on unnatended computers, I love people that never restart their machines.

Thanks guys, you are the best! Enjoy your uptimes (ง ื▿ ื)ว

ahal ,

If you’re plugging a USB drive into my home server, then I have bigger problems than malware.

computergeek125 ,

A well managed server won’t init an arbitrary drive and has a lock screen with a password so that the most a rubber ducky would be able to do is reboot it. Which is something you’d already be able to do if you had access to the front panel with the power button.

Moonrise2473 , to selfhosted in Do you poweroff your server during night / unused times?

when i had only the file server, i turned on via WOL each time i actually needed it and a script shut it down if there was no activity after 11pm

now i host so much stuff and i’m so dependant on it that it requires redundant power and failover WAN via 5g…

Decronym Bot , (edited ) to selfhosted in Do you poweroff your server during night / unused times?

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:

Fewer Letters More Letters
DHCP Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol, automates assignment of IPs when connecting to a network
DNS Domain Name Service/System
ESXi VMWare virtual machine hypervisor
NAS Network-Attached Storage
NUC Next Unit of Computing brand of Intel small computers
PiHole Network-wide ad-blocker (DNS sinkhole)
SSD Solid State Drive mass storage
VPS Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting)

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meldrik , to selfhosted in Do you poweroff your server during night / unused times?

It runs 24/7. My Lemmy instance among other things, is running on the server.

I use a Power Station from Allpower with UPS capabilities.

NeoNachtwaechter , to selfhosted in Do you poweroff your server during night / unused times?

My server has 5 harddisks (real spinning ones), and everybody says they live longer when running 24/7, so that’s what I do. They are 6 or 7 years old now. S.M.A.R.T says they are clean.

Power outages occur sometimes. Once I had a problem with a file system afterwards. Later I got a small ups (for just 10 or 20min) and no trouble anymore.

Nomad , to selfhosted in Do you poweroff your server during night / unused times?

Modular solution. Big NAS for backup and file and media serving shuts down when I go to bed automatically or nobody is home. Boots via WOL when needed.

Always on services on a central pi for home automation, phone and internet services, etc.

spacemanspiffy , to selfhosted in Do you poweroff your server during night / unused times?

24/7, no UPS since I am cheap and lazy.

My media center PC has a sleep schedule, though, and goes into suspend in early morning hours. I am sute the power it saves is next to nothing.

I used to do this with my server, too, but scrapped that once I started needing it on randomly at night.

thayer , to selfhosted in Do you poweroff your server during night / unused times?

24/7 here with a NUC 8i5 in a fanless case; all SSD. I use a simple UPS (APC 600VA) to protect the server, modem, router, and main network switch, and it survives outages up to about 30 mins.

computergeek125 , to selfhosted in Do you poweroff your server during night / unused times?

On/off:
I have 5 main chassis excluding desktops. Prod cluster is all flash, standalone host has one flash array, one spinning rust array, NAS is all spinning rust. I have a big enough server disk array that spinning it up is actually a power sink and the Dell firmware takes a looong time to get all the drives up on reboot.

TLDR: Not off as a matter of day/night, off as a matter of summer/winter for heat.

Winter: all on

Summer:

  • prod cluster on (3x vSAN - it gets really angry if it doesn’t have cluster consistency)
  • NAS on
  • standalone server off, except to test ESXi patches and when vCenter reboots cause it to be WoL’d (vpxd sends a wake to all stand by hosts on program init)
  • main desktop on
  • alt desktops off

VMs are a different story. Normally I just turn them on and off as needed regardless of season, though I will typically turn off more of my “optional” VMs to reduce summer workload in addition to powering off the one server. Rough goal is to reduce thermal load as to not kill my AC as quickly which is probably running above its duty cycle to keep up. Physical wise, these servers are virtualized so this on/off load doesn’t cycle the array.

Because all four of my main servers are the same hypervisor (for now, VMware ESXi), VMs can move among the prod cluster to balance load autonomously, and I can move VMs on or off the standalone host by drag-and-drop. When the standalone host is off, I usually move turn it’s VMs off and move them onto the prod cluster so I don’t get daily “backup failure” emails from the NAS.

UPS: Power in my area is pretty stable, but has a few phase hiccups in the summer. (I know it’s a phase hiccup because I mapped out which wall plus are on which phase, confirmed with a multimeter than I’m on two legs of a 3-phase grid hand-off, and watched which devices blip off during an event) For something like a light that will just flicker or a laptop/phone charger that has a high capacitance, such blips are a non issue. Smaller ones can even be eaten by the massive power supplies my Dell servers have. But, my Cisco switches are a bit sensitive to it and tend to sing me the song of their people when the power flickers - aka fan speed 100% boot up whining. Larger blips will also boop the Dell servers, but I don’t usually see breaks more than 3-5m.

Current UPS setup is:

  • rack split into A/B power feeds, with servers plugged into both and every other one flipped A or B as it’s primary
  • single plug devices (like NAS) plugged into just one
  • "common purpose" devices on the same power feed (ex: my primary firewall, primary switches, and my NAS for backups are on feed A, but my backup disks and my secondary switches are on feed B)
  • one 1500VA UPS per feed (two total) - aggregate usage is 600-800w
  • one 1500VA desktop UPS handling my main tower, one monitor, and my PS5 (which gets unreasonably upset about losing power, so it gets the battery backup)

With all that setup, the gauges in the front of the 3 UPSes all show roughly 15-20m run time in summer, and 20-25m in winter. I know one may be lower than displayed because it’s battery is older, but even if it fails and dumps it’s redundant load onto the main newer UPS I’ll still have 7-10m of battery at worst case and that’s all I really need to weather most power related issues at my location.

VitabytesDev , to selfhosted in Do you poweroff your server during night / unused times?

I don’t have any job that needs to run 24/7, so I poweroff my server at night (12 am) and start it in the morning using WOL.

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