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nixcamic , to news in Trump: Civil War didn't need to happen, could have been "negotiated"

I mean technically yes, the South could have negotiated a surrender any time they wanted.

rosymind ,

I wish Lemmy had a way to high-five people.

AVincentInSpace , to news in Trump: Civil War didn't need to happen, could have been "negotiated"

Oh boy! 1939 all over again!

HerbalGamer ,
@HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

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no wait im wrong

bradinutah , to news in Trump: Civil War didn't need to happen, could have been "negotiated"

Thanks for making clear that MAGA is in reference to the 1860s. Any Republicans with lots of support speaking out against this? No? Then the message is clear: Vote Blue!

Socsa , to news in Trump: Civil War didn't need to happen, could have been "negotiated"

Translation: I am going to negotiate a new civil war

Blackmist , to news in Trump: Civil War didn't need to happen, could have been "negotiated"

That one the next one?

werefreeatlast , to news in Trump: Civil War didn't need to happen, could have been "negotiated"

Maybe my vote could have been 2/3 of a white vote? And we could negotiate with women. Maybe they could just tell us who to vote for but not actually do any voting and we could then have a family vote?

Snapz , to news in Trump: Civil War didn't need to happen, could have been "negotiated"

They’ll sacrifice their lives for a person who is demonstrably the actual biggest loser in history, and he just gets more loser-y, folks, okay… If any of you are starting to have your memories fade, here’s a quick refresher to read this morning and then copy and send to your aunt karen in Missouri.

  • 0 re-elections won
  • 1 term president
  • 2 times impeached
  • 3 marriages
  • 4 inch lifts in his shoes
  • 5 kids, from 3 different mothers
  • 6 bankruptcies
  • 7 US Capitol police suing him for Jan 6 terrorist insurrection and murder of police
  • 8 trillion + dollars added to the US debt in a single term
  • 9 trump lawyers sanctioned by federal judge for lying in frivolous election fraud lawsuits and ordered to pay defendant’s legal fees
  • 10 years that trump paid $0 in income taxes between 2000 and 2015. ($0 to cops, teachers, roads, prisons, disaster relief, etc)
  • 11 trump associates charged with serious crimes over the past 5 years
  • 12 million votes (the big lie) - trump claims he won the 2020 election by 12 million votes when in reality, he lost by about 7 million votes.
  • 13 of August, 2021 - one of multiple days that trump was supposed to magically become president again according to Qanon and a crack addicted pillow salesman (the two most respected information sources in the gop)
  • 14 year old girl in a youth choir that trump approached in 1992 to say, "Wow! Just think - in a couple years I’ll be dating you."
  • 15 originally confirmed cases of COVID in the US trump said would soon be, “down to close to zero.” followed by, “like a miracle, it will disappear.” - over 1,000,000 Americans have since died of COVID and it continues to kill 4 years later.
  • 16 years old - age of daughter ivanka when she hosted “miss teen” pageant and, according to long time trump associate Noel Casler, "trump called her over in the middle of a rehearsal and had her give him a lap dance while he leered at the crew."
  • 17 known trump and russia investigations from local, state and federal prosecutors
  • 18 gop senators that ignored trump threats / warnings and supported Biden admin’s infrastructure bill.
  • 19 as in COVID19 - trump was verified as the single largest source of disinformation on the virus, with a Cornell study claiming that 38% of the “misinformation conversation” originated with trump
  • 20 the day in January, 2021, when Biden was sworn in despite trump inciting a violent insurrection to stop election verification at the US Capitol.
  • 21 gun salute that trump ordered for himself when he left office after a humiliating defeat, even though he never served in the military, famously called military members “losers” and “suckers” and actively avoided the draft with a cowardly “bone spurs” excuse.
  • 22 date in August, 2021, when Alabama hate rally crowd booed trump for finally saying people should get vaccinated, only after 700,000 Americans have died due mostly to his failure as president
  • 23 as in wrestlemania 23 in 2007 where trump, a cartoon level failure with no other prospects, participated in a fake bet that a proxy wrestler would win a fake fight on his behalf or he would shave his wig and hair plugs off.
  • 24 day in August, 2021, when trump actually filed a lawsuit in Florida court against YouTube, a private company, demanding that they reinstate his YouTube channel like a desperate, irrelevant embarrassment with no platforms left to abuse.
  • 25 plus credible sexual assault allegations against trump, spanning decades and with accusers starting as young as 13 years old at time of assault.
ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

And a partridge in a pear tree.

Moira_Mayhem ,

The fact that anyone follows this child trauma-born orangutan is proof to me that humanity is NOT an inherently rational species, and that most people don’t bother putting in effort to think about anything.

Pratai , to news in Trump: Civil War didn't need to happen, could have been "negotiated"

He’s propping himself up to be a victim of the next one.

Moira_Mayhem ,

Something tells me he wouldn’t survive Civil War 2, Election Boogaloo. And I’m not even talking from our side.

BenLeMan , to news in Trump: Civil War didn't need to happen, could have been "negotiated"

That’s pretty much what Lincoln tried to do with his inaugural speech after several states had seceded already. He tried to talk them down and promised that the North would not interfere with their life heavy-handedly but that insurrection was too serious for him to ignore. And then they stormed Fort Sumter and forced his hand. He didn’t even commit to the cause of abolishing slavery until the third year of the war.

Jaysyn , to news in Trump: Civil War didn't need to happen, could have been "negotiated"
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I can't wait to read this fascist waste of oxygen's obituary.

Nastybutler ,

I hope it’s not as revisionist as Kissinger’s was. Or take as long to happen.

MagicShel , to news in Trump: Civil War didn't need to happen, could have been "negotiated"

Negotiate? He’s suggesting things would’ve gone better if we’d agreed to mostly keep slavery but soften it a little in exchange for concessions? Well, that’s horrifying.

admiralteal ,

That precise negotiation is how we got the civil war, as well as a number of other completely busted, antidemocratic US institutions like the Senate. Making compromises with slavers.

queermunist ,
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It’s all so bad. The House should have thousands of members to give states proportional representation, but instead Alabama votes count for more than California votes. In turn, this makes the electoral* college unbalanced too in the same way. There’s a huge bias towards rural voting power.

*damn auto correct 😠

jjjalljs ,

And then people act like “real America” is like a suburb in Ohio or rural parts of Louisiana.

There’s ~4 million people in Louisana. There’s ~8 million people in New York City alone. Cities are as or more “real” than the other parts.

nbafantest ,

To be fair, California hasn’t built any new housing in 60 years.

California could have 60-70 million people. Instead we are just handing 30 million voters over to Republican states.

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

That, paradoxically, increases California’s proportional voting power. Popular vote doesn’t decide elections.

nbafantest ,

If California had 70million citizens, current district sizes are around 700k. So it would have about 100 districts. It would have about 1/5th of the total electoral college vote.

It’s honestly insane that New York and Cali have purposefully handed over political power to republicans since the 60s.

queermunist , (edited )
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As I understand it, because every state still has to have at least 1 House member (and thus 1 electoral college vote). Without increasing the size of the House then all that can do is reduce the proportional power of each vote within California. The State itself becomes more powerful, sure, but the votes of citizens within California are worth less and less as the population grows. It’s a really bad system.

nbafantest ,

Each district is roughly 700k people. A few districts are bigger, a few are smaller.

California could completely dominate the US House of Representatives and the electoral college.

A state becomes more powerful by having more people.

California has much much more power than Wyoming, even tho each voter in Wyoming might have a tiny bit more power than each voter in Cali.

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, but it’s not just Wyoming. It’s all the little flyover states all teaming up against big bad California, and using their disproportionate electoral power to do so - it’s the reason we’ve had multiple presidents that lost the electoral college, after all.

nbafantest ,

Yeah sure they can get 20 extra electoral college votes combined, but California would have 20-30 more itself. California just handed these over to republicans by refusing to build housing for 60 years.

New York has done the same.

We’ve just handed tons of political power over Republicans, who already have a natural advantage.

kent_eh ,

Hard to know with Trump.

His usual way of “negotiating” is to demand what he wants is the limit, while demanding that the other party capitulate to whatever is best for Trump.

NigelFrobisher , to news in Trump: Civil War didn't need to happen, could have been "negotiated"

Took me a moment to realise he was talking about the last one.

Szymon , to news in Trump: Civil War didn't need to happen, could have been "negotiated"

This idiot also wanted to cure your COVID infected body with bleach injections and UV light

fubarx , to news in Trump: Civil War didn't need to happen, could have been "negotiated"

Just like he negotiated with those people on January 6th.

LinkOpensChest_wav , to news in Trump: Civil War didn't need to happen, could have been "negotiated"
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It’s never good to negotiate with fascists.

You hear that, Democrats?

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