While i dont like people being killed and everyone should get a fair trial, the world certainly isn’t a worse place with this guy dead and i aint gonna shed a tear for him
His mercenary army is going to be run by a Putin stooge. I’m not completely sure that’s better. Not exactly bawling over here, but I would have rather seen him march on the Kremlin instead.
Mr. Putin, meet Lieutenant Columbo, from the LAPD. He’d like to have a few words with you Sir. Just a few questions about this tragic accident involving an acquaintance of yours, a Mr. Prigozhin. www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyfywQ98dIU
The bad news is that Russia still has ~60 of those. The good news is that they can’t replace the losses, the production line was scrapped 30 years ago. The supposed successor, PAK DA, continues being a vaporware.
“Disputed” it’s not disputed lol, China says it owns all of the South China Sea and no one else agrees, we don’t call my neighbors lawn disputed because I claim it
To be fair it is disputed, it's just that everyone else's claims are significantly less ridiculous than China's. There's a small scrap of sea claimed by all of Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, and China.
I’d recommend anyone interested in the Voyager program to check out “It’s Quieter in the Twilight”. A film about the people involved in the project and how they’ve dedicated their lives to make it happen.
I don’t have any issue with that, the less toxic people I have to interact with on here the happier I’ll be. I encourage anybody who finds my comments and posts upsetting to block me and move on.
Don’t feed the troll. He’s an actual professional troll who will try his hardest to drag you into a debate. I like to just keep editing my comments with new links that refute his claims, and that’s when he totally loses it and gives me -30 and himself +55 updoots on a post with a grand total of 18 votes. He’s really aggressive but he’s not very good at his job.
Edit: I can see he has gone through my post history and downvoted everything so I have 0 or negative karma or whatever it’s called… and he did it a week afterwards. He’s a spiteful little troll, isn’t he? I don’t care about updoots. You can’t silence the truth, you dumb fuck.
Most notably, they will not actually engage in any real discussion on these topics. They only want to shut down discussion by calling everyone brainwashed. They will offer not a single critical word against China or Russia, past present or future. Obviously this analysis is very noteworthy, and the conjecture that these societies are above reproach makes for a very good faith argument. Especially when combined with the intellectually honest strategy of removing their opponent’s agency by calling them brainwashed. Truly a master debater.
I have no idea where you get that idea from. I have tons of praise for China - the culture, the people, the food, the history. I speak ok Mandarin, have family in China and visit once a year typically. I probably have more direct experience with China than anyone on lemmygrad. Unlike those folks, I’m not just here to troll and disrupt conversation. I want to have real conversations about the good as well as the bad. It’s the tankie trolls who will never actually engage in good faith. It’s the surest sign someone is, in fact, just a troll imo.
You’re changing the question, I mean the Chinese government and so did you in your previous comment. I’m sure you’re aware that “tankies” don’t just give a blanket endorsement of, for example, patriarchal social norms in China, and believe there are many cultural elements which must be the object of struggle. One must conclude that you didn’t include that because it was beyond the scope of your claim when you said “China”.
The tankies on Lemmy absolutely give it a blanket endorsement. Trust me I’ve tried many times to seek a real discussion on this topic. Specifically with regard to the hukou caste system and lack of public trials. I think this is very low hanging fruit tbh.
You are pushing in the direction of “he said/she said”. If I made a thread over on lemmygrad and actually asked about this, would you accept that as evidence?
Of course, that would be super interesting. I’m left-lib and every interaction I’ve had with them so far has led me to believe they are the most ridiculous kind of ML extremists
That’s a little heartening. Lemmygrad is aware of this thread, but I’ll try to word the post to not tip my hand too too much, and then I’ll link it back here and you can watch it (actually, you can post in it if you want since you’re on a lemmy.ml account, but that’s up to you).
Let me tell you from experience that sometimes people only look ridiculous because of prejudices we are bringing into the interaction (though some people are ridiculous).
Should I include Russia or is that too easy?
As an aside in the meantime, what do you make of the fact that I am quite willing to talk about negative elements despite being a “tankie”?
Eh, I’ve seen errors here and there (and called them out, as you can see) but I think they are generally putting forward decent arguments with better evidence. The Yuri Gagarin stan for example is very well-read and intelligent, you just need to demonstrate good faith (and maybe catch him in a not-bad mood). Anyway, here’s the thread that I just made. Feel free to upvote for visibility, we’ll see how it goes.
We got at least a couple of takers, and I expanded a little on some of my views. What do you think?
I should mention that one thing that probably skews matters is a prevalent thought (that I mostly agree with) among communists that the criticism of rivals of one’s state to appease liberals is not a good use of time. The reasoning goes that you aren’t really in a position to correct those problems, so spending time on these things when speaking publicly is only going to support the basis for a “left opposition” to those foreign states even if that’s not your personal aim. A version of this has been used by the FBI.
Because of this, I think your sampling might have been sabotaged by people operating on that principle, because convincing a liberal to be an anarcho-bidenist [someone who claims to be a radical but supports US foreign policy and/or the Democrats] isn’t really a useful effort.
Nah, just people who uncritically regurgitate propaganda, and screech about everybody who disagrees with them being a Russian puppet and a tankie whatever that means.
My friend, I would like to remind you as gently as possible that brainwashing does not exist and was in fact an orientalist lie popularized to explain away why US soldiers would support China.
Yeah, that’s a fair point. It’s important to keep in mind that people are accepting the propaganda because they want to believe it and they understand that it serves their selfish interests.
Yes, thank you for being understanding. I think it’s better to avoid calling people brainwashed because – as one liberal in this thread pointed out – it denies agency which our interlocutors plainly do have which makes them much more responsible for their bad epistemology than the theory of “brainwashing” allows for.
If we want to persuade people – and I’ve seen that you have incredible enthusiasm for that cause! – we must do our best to meet them where they actually are rather than where we imagine them to be.
I’ll get off my soapbox here, I just wanted to mention it. I wish you all the best in your efforts!
Wait… ALL pensioners? Not just the ones that worked X hours, it did this, it whatever? It’s just she based? WHY would they even need a pass to begin with? Just check the age on her id.
Well, it’s all residents. Tourists from abroad still have to pay. So from a system-point-of-view, the bus passes do make sense (since it’s easier/quicker to check a bus pass than a passport plus proof of residency or something). But from a human standpoint there is no point to this.
As far as I know, there is no standards ID card that everyone has to carry in the UK. And it’s (thankfully) not like countries where everyone is expected to have a driver’s licence to identify themselves, since a fair number of people don’t drive in the UK (and that assumption sucks anywhere).
You can get a state ID, sure but most people don’t. Drivers licenses are the primary form of ID here. I wouldn’t say it’s “expected” but, depending on where you live, it would be unusual to not have one as your primary form of ID if you’re of driving age. And prior to that age you usually don’t have a need for ID
Sure, you are correct, but nobody bats an eye if you present an id card instead of a driver’s license. Hell most people probably don’t even notice the difference. OP was implying that not having a driver’s license is somehow more difficult than having one and that’s completely false for the US
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