Okay, let’s look at several arguments that have been presented here in favor of this law:
“Display of religion must be banned for a secular learning experience”: Firstly, how do you even define “display of religion”? If I say “Merry Christmas”, is it a display of religion? If I grow my hair out, is that display of religion? If I wear a steel bracelet, is that display of religion? Because the last two actions are actually associated with Sikhism. If I wear the Mormons’ holy underwear, is that display of religion? If I say “Jesus fkin Christ” when I hear about a fascist law like this, is that banned too now? Secularism is respecting all religious classifications and allowing them to coexist. Secularism is NOT forcing everyone to look and behave as if they are in the same religious classification.
“The abaya dress isn’t even French/Respect the culture of the country that you are in:”
Individuals who say this seem to have what is known as the “conventionalist” ethical framework. This framework has maaany problems. However, even if we look at this law from the point of view of this framework, it becomes unethical. The official national motto of France is “Liberty, Equality and Fraternity”. This law seems to contradict all three of these principles.
It contradicts “liberty”, as it literally permits the government to tell its citizens what they can and cannot wear on their body. Abayas are not even inherently religious. It is like the government banning polo t-shirts because they are “Christian”.
The law contradicts “equality” as it unequally affects Muslims and Sikhs, as their religious expression involves the use of clothing more than other religions. Sure, harmful clothing must not be permitted (like the knives that Sikhs are supposed to carry according to their religion). Abayas are not harmful in any way. Hence, they do not fall into this category.
Finally, this law contradicts “fraternity”, as fraternity literally means “brotherhood” in this context. “No matter how different we are, we are still brothers with a goal to work for the people of France” is what this implies. Banning something as harmless as clothing attributed to a given religion is not a sign of brotherhood.
“Just have school uniforms”: Clothing is one of the most important mediums of expression for humans. All humans have their own individual identities. The goal of schools should not be to make Stormtroopers. Rather, it should be to make students better versions of themselves. Having school uniforms goes strongly against this idea. One may argue that this also goes against the idea of “liberty”.
“Did you know that Abayas and Hijabs are the result of an authoritarian religion?” Firstly, no. Abayas have nothing to do with religion. Sure, it is possible that a parent(s) may force their child to wear a particular type of clothing that aligns with their religious beliefs. In that case, the school can provide support to such students. However, what if a child themself wish to wear a particular type of clothing? What’s the harm in that? This argument for the ban is similar to saying “some individuals are buttfucked without their consent. Therefore, let’s ban buttfucking”.
I’m atheist and socialist. I’m sad to see some of my fellow socialists arguing for the ban as well. Atheists have and are presently being persecuted in many countries in the world. By supporting the persecution of other religious classifications, we are essentially doing exactly what is being done to us. There is no moral difference between us and the individuals persecuting us in this case.
Ehh… Doesn’t prove this by any means. For example, a type of clothing called a “kurta” is worn by Hindus and Muslims both. In religious ceremonies in both religions, attendees usually wear it. Now, this doesn’t mean that the garment suddenly is a religious garment, does it? It just is a cultural garment that is usually worn in the Indian subcontinent.
Now, even if the abaya is a religious garment, the points that I mentioned above still apply. What if I started a new religion called “Religion of yellow clothes”? Let’s say my religious clothes are all yellow clothes. Does France ban everyone from wearing yellow clothes now because of me?
Sir, you just said kurta is being weared during religious ceremonies… It’s hard argue that it is not a religious dress…
Well if that yellow thing becomes widely acknowledged as a “religious display” then yes, it will be banned in public schools… It does sound dumb but only because you made an extravagant decision to make “yellow” a religious sign. If you claimed “let’s have a crossed bar” as religious sign, suddenly it becomes easier to imagine
I don’t understand it either… He’s obviously nuts, but that’s his life and he should be able to choose to do what he wishes to. Doesn’t matter on law. Most of the laws is just jurisdictional bullshit anyway. You don’t need to have laws to know what’s good or bad. Every decent moral ethic human being knows what’s good or bad.
Except for humans who are mentally unwell and might cause damage to others or their property which is why detaining mentally unwell people and getting them help before they can hurt themselves is important.
Would you let a child crawl into a washing machine?
I don’t want to be cruel but natural selection has its meaning. We as a society are exaggerating helping and healing some individuals who should rather be alone somewhere where they can live peacefuly or weirdly without depleting our resources. It is already out-of control and will end by the end of our civilization. It’s inevitable.
Child is a child and should be watched and teached but severely mentally ill individual cannot be integrated. And if someone wants to die on the see, just fucking let him.
I think I understand where you’re coming from but I have to say I think you’re totally wrong and dangerously so.
First things first, we’re talking about human life and death and thus should treat things carefully because the results are, well deadly and irreversible.
Now, to get right to the point, natural selection is about masses and populations >>naturally<< surviving those who did not adapt as well. It’s not about what causes death, but what enables the continual existence of life and that distinction is vital.
Lastly, for my opinion portion, we as human beings are cognizant of ourselves and of the universe. We are not birds on an island and thus it’s in our nature to be cognizant and to make choices through our consciousness. That’s our natural selection right there.
Letting someone who is ill harm themselves, instead of helping them live comfortably while we figure out how to “correct or adapt” them to live comfortably is unnatural for us as humans. Many animals and other living creatures seemingly show signs of empathy and team work.
Sounds to me like your environment might be naturally selecting an unnatural outlook for your life if you’re really cool with letting mentally sick or disordered people hurt themselves.
We’re a species that thrives off cooperation and team work, don’t forget that friend! Idk if you’ve had family in your life with mental illness but I know it can burn. You. Out. But you gotta remember that we’re complex and amazing creatures that this planet hasn’t ever fuckin seen yet (probably) were capable of beautiful and powerful things if we keep our heads on straight and our engines cooled
It’s a little more complicated then that. He could be a safety hazard for other boats and travel lanes. And then when some boat calls in the contraption as a rescue concern, they have no way of knowing its him until they get to him. It could be some other idiot in a makeshift raft for all they know.
I guess they could just slap a GPS on the device that way they can warn other boats or ignore rescue calls, but that seems like a lot of work just to placate one dude.
The part where upon being stopped by the Coast Guard - he threatened to kill himself and that he had a bomb. Also his device is not seaworthy and they would be dispatched to find him anyway when he dissapears because that’s what they have to do.
Hazard to other traffic. If you cant steer, dont have lights, dont have a radio, and dont have a beacon or radar reflector, you’re being a pain in the ass for everyone else on the high seas.
Just like how a car needs to have a minimum standard of roadworthiness to drive on public roads
I’m not an expert in maritime law, or any law for that matter, but why they had to help him?
If he wanted to be in danger he succeeded, provided he doesn’t request the coastal guard for assistance he is not hurting anything but himself. Is It because his hamster wheel might have been a hazard to other boats?
Every State shall require the master of a ship flying its flag, in so far as he can do so without serious danger to the ship, the crew or the passengers:
a. to render assistance to any person found at sea in danger of being lost;
b. to proceed with all possible speed to the rescue of persons in distress, if informed of their need of assistance, in so far as such action may reasonably be expected of him;
c. after a collision, to render assistance to the other ship, its crew and its passengers and, where possible, to inform the other ship of the name of his own ship, its port of registry and the nearest port at which it will call.
Every coastal State shall promote the establishment, operation and maintenance of an adequate and effective search and rescue service regarding safety on and over the sea and, where circumstances so require, by way of mutual regional arrangements cooperate with neighbouring States for this purpose.
Thank you barsoap! So even if there is no assistance request is given if the person is clearly lost or soon to be in need of assistance you need to provide assistance.
This is what this country has come to under Biden. People are reduced to using crazy contraptions to try to escape to Cuba because inflation is so out of control here, they would rather roll the dice. It’s a sad reality we’re living through.
What’s funny about it? This is just the beginning, soon many more people will be attempting such desperate crossings as the situation continues to deteriorate (UNLESS we can take our country back this November). God have mercy on their souls and hopefully they can escape to freedom.
Why do you think inflation is getting so bad, specifically? You think it could have something to do with the $5 trillion trump handed out during COVID or nah?
Biden gave all the money to Ukraine instead of stopping inflation. I had to cut my employees wages because I can hardly afford gasoline anymore for my private jet.
There’s your problem right there… You need to cut wages, do some layoffs, and increase the price of your product while reducing the size and quality of it. This is the only way to beat inflation now…
I’ll NEVER understand the need for so many non Muslim people to defend what is absolutely a disgusting sexist practice meant to degrade, humiliate and dehumanize women. Fuck so many of you loser fucking idiots and especially fuck you idiots saying shit like, “well what if they choose to be an object?” “What if they like being obedient to every whim of men?”
Dude the only loser here is you. Itsa fuckjng dress. It’s not even like a hijab or anything it’s a fucking dress, goet over yourself you utter wank stain.
Officials said he refused to step off the vessel and threatened to kill himself. He also claimed that he had a bomb on board, according to court papers.
Oh so he’s not a cool weirdo, he’s a terrible weirdo. Damn.
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