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reverendsteveii , (edited ) to news in Black student suspended over his hairstyle to be sent to an alternative education program

The other day I was walking into a bar with my partner. We’re white, straight-passing, generally clean looking folk. The bar had a sign on it that said “No bandanas, no gang colors”. They were wearing a bandana, and my t-shirt was blue, but I couldn’t help but notice that we were able to walk into that bar, be served and settle our tab at the end of the night.

It’s about selective enforcement. You can’t say “No black people”, so you say “no black people stuff”. Or you make something everyone does illegal and then give the people in charge broad leeway as to when they can choose to ignore it. Or you set up situations that aren’t open in their racism but just so happen to target one group over another, like setting up checks on the Mexican border and then claiming you’re not targeting latino people because if you happen to catch white illegal immigrants you’ll deport them too. In the words of Republican party strategist Lee Atwater (trigger warning: just lots of open, blatant racism and n-bombs)

::: spoiler spoiler You start out in 1954 by saying, “Ngger, ngger, ngger.” By 1968 you can’t say “ngger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Ngger, ngger.”:::

BeautifulMind ,
@BeautifulMind@lemmy.world avatar

TIL that the spoiler thing was a feature

spoilerthanks for showing me that

reverendsteveii ,

For those who come looking later it’s a feature for the web frontend but wrt mobile apps Boost for Lemmy at least makes an absolute mess of both the spoiler tag and the asterisk as a standard character

Racists4TransRights , to news in Black student suspended over his hairstyle to be sent to an alternative education program

Disgustingly ridiculous

ronalicious ,

disgustingly racist…

wolandark , to news in Black student suspended over his hairstyle to be sent to an alternative education program
@wolandark@lemmy.world avatar

Each place has its rules, follow them or gtfo. I don’t see a problem here. Schools are not fashion halls. When I was in school, we weren’t allowed long hair, any alt hair style, using gels or other materials to style our hair etc …

lolcatnip ,

The rule itself is literally illegal.

sturmblast , to news in Black student suspended over his hairstyle to be sent to an alternative education program

this whole situation is ridiculous

pascal , to news in Black student suspended over his hairstyle to be sent to an alternative education program

I keep hearing America is the land of freedom and that Europe is way more racist than America.

This story would have never happened in Europe. Suspended because of a hairstyle, wtf.

geogle ,
@geogle@lemmy.world avatar

This is a newsworthy isolated incident. It’s newsworthy because of the ridiculous stance of the principal.

Can we talk about France’s stance on hijabs in school?

Rengoku ,

Lol if you think banning hijab as a good whataboutism example wait till you hear your hair is banned and must wear hijab to even attend public school.

BellyPurpledGerbil ,

Just here to point out that UK schools have also illegally forbidden some students from wearing afro hairstyles. In that case and this one, it’s against the law. The hope is that this treatment will not continue in both cases. We don’t need to resort to playing the suffering Olympics or whose country is worse pissing contests

Neon ,

Can we talk about France’s stance on hijabs in school?

lmao, what?

ANY religious clothing is banned in France. This isn’t Discriminatory, as it applies to Christians, Buddhists, Hindus etc just as it does to Muslims.

Maybe actually inform yourself before you start with whataboutism?

DragonTypeWyvern , (edited )

The law in its majestic equality forbids Christian, Atheist, and Muslim alike to pray facing Mecca, to wear hijabs, or dresses that look a little too “ethnic.”

Neon ,

Bro, did you read my Comment? ANY religious Activity or Clothing is banned, no matter which Religion these Activities come from. Stop trying to somehow shoehorn discrimination into this.

Trainguyrom , (edited )

That’s literally how every discriminatory law in a country with protections against descrimination works. It bans anyone from doing something that primarily is done by the group you’re trying to target.

In states like Georgia where lots of black churches assist their congregation with overcoming the hurdles republicans set in place to make it harder for black and brown people to vote they ban religious organizations from assisting in the exact ways the black churches were assisting. Voter ID laws disproportionately affect poor and minority voters who often have difficulty obtaining and maintaining a current ID and often don’t drive at all due to the high cost of car ownership. These laws don’t explicitly state “people with dark skin aren’t allowed to vote” but surpressing black voters is both the goal and effect of these laws

If you literally write “no hijabs” the law will be struck down in a heartbeat, so instead they write a law that says “no religious clothing” because what religious clothing do people wear? Hijabs.

But I’m sure you already knew this, because you either have to be extremely dense or pretending to be extremely dense for the sake of supporting discrimination to make the argument that you did

pinkdrunkenelephants ,

🤔

So if we Americans ever write a second Constitution, it will require an amendment banning that practice.

Trainguyrom ,

That’s where the design of the US government was somewhat ingenuous. Rather than explicit rules that may become outdated or prevent needed action in a timely manner, it was designed as a framework to allow the government to flex and change as times change.

The one thing that wasn’t foreseen was a consolidated takeover of both a significant portion of government and journalism by the same vested interests, combined with intense consilidation of private businesses into unfathomably massive and powerful monopolies

pascal ,

So basically, all your post can be summarised into “we don’t like democracy and blacks are not really people, but at least we’re not France”?

My god I didn’t know about the voter ID thing, that’s Draconian!

Trainguyrom ,

I think you need to re-read the thread I had responded to. I was providing examples of racist laws that have painfully obvious goals without explicitly stating the racist part out loud.

atzanteol ,

The post being replied to said this would never happen in Europe, do no whataboutism here.

atzanteol ,

Which of those religions considers it a requirement to wear certain clothing?

We all know who it was aimed at.

funkless_eck ,

all of those religions have enforced religious garb for some members. priests, monks, nuns, bishops, the pope…

They also perform rituals on babies and young adolescents.

atzanteol ,

Cool story

gmtom ,

Actually the French law allows for students to wear crosses. So it doesn’t really apply to Christians.

Estiar ,

Then that school policy is fine too, as it bans Anyone from wearing dreadlocks. This applies to the white Texans, the Hispanic Texans, the Black Texans etc.

That reasoning doesn’t work. It’s targeted against a certain group of marginalized people just like the Hijab law and the same principle.

Neon , (edited )

No. it’d be comparable if all Hairstyles were forbidden.

Since only one type of Hairstyle is forbidden, it’s not the same.

canuckkat ,

Not isolated at all. Black kids (especially girls) get targeted all the time. It’s usually ignored or doesn’t make the news.

blindbunny , (edited )

Can we talk about France’s stance on hijabs in school?

Yeah. I support it. I also support this young women’s choice to hair style.

Your false equivalency says more about you then anything else you wrote.

Get every fucking church out of public school and tax them.

pinkdrunkenelephants ,

Okay, so how much money would it cost to get you to openly admit what happened to this dude is wrong and it’s irrelevant what happens in other countries?

$10 via Cashapp? Venmo, perhaps?

stewie3128 ,

Hijabs in France.

Texas is a GOP-strangled shithole, but Europe isn’t squeaky-clean, either.

JoBo ,

Admittedly quite a lot of Brits would prefer not to admit that we are, in fact, in Europe. But Ruby Williams: No child with afro hair should suffer like me

feedum_sneedson ,

I was suspended for my hairstyle on a number of occasions, in the UK. Bald now… the final humiliation.

FReddit , to news in Black student suspended over his hairstyle to be sent to an alternative education program

Oh. It’s Texas.

crypticthree ,

Here’s the weird part. The Texas State Legislature JUST passed a law making this kind of discrimination illegal. I don’t know what this school is doing. It’s like they want to pay lawyers

HorseRadish ,

I just have this feeling that they just created an activist/future politician with this stupid stunt. They’ll forget tomorrow. He’ll probably remember the rest of their life and fight for racial justice his whole life.

Pasta4u , to news in Black student suspended over his hairstyle to be sent to an alternative education program

18 year old junior ?

Trainguyrom ,

I mean if this is the kind of descrimination he’s faced that makes it pretty hard to follow the normal life path that most people do

Pasta4u ,

He experienced it at 18 years old. Don’t most people graduate at 17 ? I know I did

Trainguyrom ,

Graduation for most is 17 or 18 depending on when their birthdate is. It’s also possible their parents held them back for a year (i know a couple of people whos parents chose that) which depending on when their birthdate is could entirely explain being slightly older than their peers

tjsauce , to news in Black student suspended over his hairstyle to be sent to an alternative education program

WTF is geometric hair, or rather, how does one have non-geometric hair? What, does it have to remain euclidean? It seems so arbitrary and pointless

Shapillon ,

Being arbitrary is often the point though.

lightnsfw ,

It’s like Guile from Street Fighter

ThatFembyWho , to news in Black student suspended over his hairstyle to be sent to an alternative education program

“Failure to comply”

There it is, that’s the entire purpose of the modern education system, to beat us into submission to arbitrary socioeconomic roles, to curtail independence and creativity, rendering us fodder for corporate masters. Mind all the rules and maybe tomorrow you’ll get the extra nice table scraps.

Good for them not complying, they literally harmed nobody including themselves. The suspension is clearly a punitive measure to heal the administration’s wounded pride, which is also an essential aspect of the education system.

phoenixz , (edited )

… Do you really believe all that you just wrote here? Because that is just conspiracy theory level nonsense.

Yes, this school, and likely toianynoyhers too many others (typing at night is fun) have a bunch of asshole administrators that feel the need to show who’s in charge. That doesn’t mean all education is to shape us into slaves. Chill dude.

Takumidesh ,

Toianynoyhers. That might be the most egregious typo I’ve ever seen. I’m gonna hazard a guess at “too many others”? Hope I’m right, I’ve got $10 riding on it.

tjsauce ,

I just glossed past that word, thinking it was an old-timey insult

SoleInvictus ,
@SoleInvictus@lemmy.world avatar

All those goddamn toianynoyhers and their asshole administrators! I think I’ve found my new insult of choice.

Malfeasant , to news in Black student suspended over his hairstyle to be sent to an alternative education program

Barbers hill, and they’re picking on a dude’s hair.

skozzii , to news in Black student suspended over his hairstyle to be sent to an alternative education program
lolcatnip ,

No, it’s not.

SlikPikker , to news in Black student suspended over his hairstyle to be sent to an alternative education program

Barbers Hill Independent School District prohibits male students from having hair extending below the eyebrows, ear lobes or top of a T-shirt collar, according to the student handbook. Additionally, hair on all students must be clean, well-groomed, geometrical and not an unnatural color or variation. The school does not require uniforms.

Land of the fucking free.

Call me when the HOA allows you to plant clover on the front lawn.

PlantJam ,

Texas actually has a pretty great law about replacing lawns with drought tolerant alternatives. This article gives a good summary: greenrightnow.com/hoas-must-consider-drought-tole…

The article mentions some concerns about still allowing HOAs to require homeowners to submit plans for approval, but in my experience just mentioning the state law is enough to get any denial overturned.

pascal ,

The fact you have a law about lawns is funny and sad at the same time.

PlantJam ,

What’s sad is to think how unlikely it would be to get passed in today’s political climate.

6buck6satan6 ,

LAND OF THE FREE? whoever told you that is your ENEMY! -rage

some_designer_dude ,

Hair in the photo doesn’t even seem to break any of those rules??

The South is quite a disgusting place.

Oszilloraptor ,

To be fair it could maybe be counted under unnatural variations.

He is not just cutting the hair but also styling it in a way that is not typical for the society he actively participates in.


(second part not necessarily connected to your comment anymore)

But I think it’s stupid to ban hair styles anyway. I often had some classmates with weird hairstyles and guess what, didn’t distract me from school.

In my opinion the dresscodes for school should be:

  • cover your genitals, ass and boobies (regardless of gender. I think there isn’t place for shirtless guys in school outside of the gym)
  • don’t wear extreme political symbols or other obviously widespread offensive symbols (e.g. a swastika etc.)
  • unless absolutely required by your religion, or physical reasons like a burnt face, never wear anything that covers your face

And that should be it

canuckkat ,

I know the Western world still isn’t into it, but should be allowed to wear masks if they’re sick or trying to prevent illness. Like they do in Asian countries.

Especially by the point they’re in high school.

Oszilloraptor ,

Thanks for the input. honestly I forgot about masks, I would allow them as well.

I’m more against wearing a bandana mask for fun and edgyness; or to not be identified if you trash the elevator, etc.

Emerald ,

I think there isn’t place for shirtless guys in school outside of the gym

Why is it acceptable some places but not others to you?

Peaty , to news in Black student suspended over his hairstyle to be sent to an alternative education program

I hope the family successfully destroys the finances of the people involved in these super racist decisions.

dingleberry ,

Usually it’s taxpayers money.

Peaty ,

And in this case it shouldn’t be.

Garbanzo ,

Yes it should. The school administration answers to elected officials who represent the tax payers/voters. If the community doesn’t like spending money on racist bullshit they should vote for someone with a god-damned lick of sense.

ILikeBoobies ,

It won’t, it’s not a racist policy. The people enforcing it probably are but if anything it’s a homophobic policy

The problem is hair length not hair style

Though some religious beliefs prevent cutting hair so there may be something there

ook_the_librarian ,
@ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world avatar

You are saying the language of the written policy is not racist. It’s ultimately for a jury to decide whether the policy in action is racist.

ILikeBoobies ,

You hold a higher opinion of the American public than I do if you think a jury will find something racially motivated that isn’t overtly so

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Juries are peak society.

There is no higher power coming to decide things for us, it’s only us.

A good trial attorney can explain complex and even uncomfortable things to random people in an engaging way that anyone can understand. Don’t have to rely on the jury’s ability to understand something for themselves, just their ability to learn, and the lawyer’s ability to inform.

clanginator ,

By implementing a hair policy that excludes styles and lengths which are clearly a part of black culture and a way of expressing identity in America, the policy is racist. Whether or not the intent was racism, it still has the effect, making it a racist policy. It can also be discriminatory towards queer people and other cultures.

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  • clanginator , (edited )

    I think it’s a bit of a stretch to say that any hair that is ‘relatively long’, ‘not geometrical’, or ‘unnatural color or variation’ is “clearly part of black culture.”

    Good thing that’s not what I said. The policy doesn’t exclude all black hairstyles, but many of the hairstyles that would be excluded are sources of cultural/personal identity for black Americans.

    it doesn’t seem to be written to target any particular culture

    Literally what I spent my first comment explaining - it doesn’t have to be written to target a specific culture to be a racist policy. Oppression is not determined by the intent of the oppressor, but by the lived experiences of the oppressed.

    Cethin ,

    That’s the issue with systemic racism. It’s designed to not look particularly racist until you examine in detail the things it effects. Many traditional black hair styles are going to violate some portion of that rule. Dreads almost certainly need to be longer and afros probably wouldn’t fly, for example. Most typical white styles are fine though.

    ILikeBoobies ,

    I’ve seen a lot more white people with long hair than black people

    But the punk/metal movement has always been progressive

    phillaholic ,

    The word you were searching for is sexist. I’ve been saying since the initial article that this might be unconstitutional under Bostock v. Clayton County.

    SirStumps ,
    @SirStumps@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t think it’s racism tbh. I went to a Texas highschool and they tried to make me cut my hair when I was younger. I am biracial and never did I consider it racial. Is it a dumb rule? Yes. It was created during the hippy era as a stand of some sort.

    Dra , (edited ) to news in Black student suspended over his hairstyle to be sent to an alternative education program

    People here dont seem to understand the principles behind education. Black teachers, whoever needs to enforce the styles so be it, but the component of adherence to uniform presentation (without compromising human individuality and genetic differences) is a robust and important part of teaching children how to conform to society, and in some instances learn that sometimes individuality has to be sacrificed for the good of a functioning society. The racism component is nonexistent in this example if you read the backstory.

    Please also remember - if I’m wrong, I’m happy to discuss or learn something. Just upvoting views that you agree with is not a productive exercise.

    Dubiousx99 ,

    No, the racism is built into the uniform standard.

    Dra ,

    Thus my first sentence

    Clusterfck ,

    If someone else’s hair bothers you that much, you’re doing a shit job of functioning in society.

    Dra ,

    Hair and presentation is a largely arbitrary proxy for wider adherence to rules and societal behaviours. School uniforms are, last I checked shown to work in this regard. If you have a giant pink pile of hair to draw attention to yourself, it flies in the face of the lesson of conformity.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Who hurt you? Who hurt you so badly that you consider pink hair a threat to civilization? This kinda fetish for conformity is on a level far exceeding what a normal person should have so this must be trauma related.

    Dra ,

    You just sound upset, you don’t sound like you want to discuss anything?

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    I am pretty confident American society can handle a single individual with a weird haircut. If it can’t it deserves to die for being too weak to live.

    Dra ,

    You fundamentally misunderstand the premise, so you arent equipped to tell others how the world should be run.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Oh no! I don’t understand the premise you invented for us. Everyone get ready the fashion judge jury is here to tell the rest of us what clothing we get to wear in a democracy.

    Have fun with your facism

    Dra ,

    You just sound emotional here too. Would you like to discuss the issue? I don’t agree with your expressed view so far, but it doesn’t have to ruin the day.

    I have asserted that uniform, and presentation conformity in a school environment is beneficial to children. Do you agree at all? Do you believe in total anarchy? Where would you draw the line?

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    No you have asserted that pink hair was a proxy for a breakdown in social order.

    ou just sound emotional here too.

    If you don’t respect emotions you still have them you just don’t know where they come from. You end up living a life where you alone have a perfect response to every situation while the people around you never match up to your standards. You think of yourself as the perfectly rational being but no one dealing with you would agree. You are never horny, she was hitting on you. You are never just in a bad mood, your coworker was driving you crazy. The emperor of never been wrong surrounded by people who whisper to each other “don’t go near that guy he will umm actually you after his tantrum”. Sound familiar doesn’t it? It should, you aren’t special.

    Given that you do not respect emotions it is absolutely no surprise you do not respect the ability of people to change their haircut. An entire world refusing to bend the knee to your own greatness. Everyone must confirm to your vision or risk your ire.

    Dra ,

    You are doing exactly what you criticise me of. Your emotions are coming across like they are interfering your ability to discuss something rationally, so they are not a benefit. Emotion has it’s place, it moves everything forward in the first place, and it sits in balance with calm, measured discussion. Otherwise it just turns into a nickelodeon show of increasingly impotent one-liners, and mental acrobatics, petty personal swipes and achieving absolutely nothing at all.

    For discussions sake - I assume you aren’t on this platform to hear your own opinion parroted back to you. Since you didnt reply to the other comment; do you not consider conformity a useful lesson for schools to teach, and why? At what point does individuality become separated from cultural uniqueness?

    unceme ,
    @unceme@lemmy.one avatar

    Stfu

    Dra ,

    Does this normally work for you on the internet?

    What now?

    Haywire ,

    It does seem this has risen to the level of “free speech” and I suspect this student will get an education in constitutional law, as well as a fat settlement for his trouble.

    calypsopub ,

    So part of the mission of public education is to create good little robots that will follow the rules? Isn’t that how you get Nazis?

    jarfil ,

    No… you can get all kinds of robots that way.

    calypsopub ,

    I need one that passes the butter.

    jarfil ,

    Plenty of those, they’re called wage slaves servers, you may need to tip though.

    Dra ,

    If you only think in extremes of course - you could also infer order of any kind leads to nazis with that mindset, which is of course, ridiculous. There is a line for conformity, and it should be established with buy in from everyone.

    DreBeast , to news in Black student suspended over his hairstyle to be sent to an alternative education program

    Pure, unadulterated racism.

    JusticeForPorygon ,
    @JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    That’s Texas for ya

    phillaholic ,

    Texas actually passed a law banning this. Yea… the State and current governor think this is wrong. Let that sink in.

    JusticeForPorygon ,
    @JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Jesus Christ, I suppose that goes to show just how fucked up it is

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