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yogthos , to worldnews in CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia | CNN Politics
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It’s absolutely incredible how people got trained to screech about Russian propaganda any time they’re faced with anything that doesn’t fit the propaganda narrative they’ve internalized. Imagine how out of touch with reality a person has to be to genuinely believe that CNN is doing Russian propaganda.

yogthos , to worldnews in CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia | CNN Politics
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The reality is that what majority of people in US want has absolutely no effect on what the government does as a study analyzing decades of US policy clearly showed:

What do our findings say about democracy in America? They certainly constitute troubling news for advocates of “populistic” democracy, who want governments to respond primarily or exclusively to the policy preferences of their citizens.

What makes these news stories relevant is that they’re an indicator of where the ruling class is planning to take things, and it’s pretty clear that the narrative is being shaped for US to pull out of the proxy war with Russia.

yogthos OP , to technology in Mobile chip giant Qualcomm shares slide amid worst smartphone slump in years
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Completely agree, there’s just an incredible amount of software bloat nowadays that adds pretty much nothing of any real value for the user. I recently put Linux on an old 2015 macbook I have and it was shocking to see just how snappy it is compared to macos.

yogthos OP , to technology in Mobile chip giant Qualcomm shares slide amid worst smartphone slump in years
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Pretty much how I feel about this as well. My phone usage patterns haven’t changed in years. There are a handful of apps, such as email, calendar, and a music player that I use day to day. The way these apps work hasn’t really changed over the years. What I find frustrating that even though hardware keeps getting faster, software manages to make up for that by getting ever more bloated. Imagine if we didn’t have phone released every years, but in stead focused on optimizing software so it runs better. I bet you could get a ton of performance out of older devices that way.

yogthos OP , to worldnews in Britain is supplying depleted uranium rounds to Ukraine. These rounds will cause environmental and health issues long after the conflict. This is how much the west cares about Ukraine in practice.
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So you admit that the sources provide a substantial amount of evidence while also claiming that the article doesn’t provide proof of extensive documentation?

You also cannot claim that Russian propaganda played no part in the stark differences in political outlook for the people in eastern Ukraine. Propaganda doesn’t really work without fertile ground to spread it on.

Just the same way western propaganda played a role in western Ukraine. US has the most sophisticated and well funded propaganda engine in the world. Russia doesn’t even come close to that.

That’s just not true, but we cannot go beyond “is, is not” arguments here.

Again, a government that bans opposition parties, tortures journalists, bans media, and cancels elections is the definition of a regime. They started doing these things before the war started.

Is that still true though? Seems like US is pushing a lot of resources into this non-core interest. Could it be that Biden’s admin thinks differently from Obama’s?

Biden admin is obsessed with Ukraine, but that obviously doesn’t make it a core interest for US as a country. In fact, it’s pretty clear that this proxy war against Russia has already had disastrous economic and geopolitical consequences for US. It’s very likely that the situation will get worse by next year at which point democrats will almost certainly lose the election.

I don’t support right wing parties in Europe or US, but unfortunately the left decided to align with the war mongers and the only parties that took a consistent stance against the war were on the right. Now that the support for the war is collapsing, these parties are gaining a huge amount of momentum. This will be a tragedy for the west in the long run.

yogthos OP , to worldnews in Britain is supplying depleted uranium rounds to Ukraine. These rounds will cause environmental and health issues long after the conflict. This is how much the west cares about Ukraine in practice.
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As far as I know, only Russia calls the Revolution of Dignity a coup.

The coup was extensively documented in western media, I find it incredible that anybody could be completely unaware of all that reporting archive.ph/BAxYc

Were the voting patterns of the 2014 parliamentary elections similar?

I recommend watching the video linked in the comment which goes into a deep discussion of the background politics and the elections.

Even though a lot of it was achieved through Russian propaganda, there was also clearly some organic support for Russia in eastern and south-eastern Ukraine before the war, and not handling that situation well was clearly a mistake of all parties, not excluding Ukraine.

Claiming that this was achieved through Russian propaganda shows a profound lack of understanding of history of the region on your part. The reality is that large portions of Ukrainian population in the east are Russian speakers, and have family ties in Russia going back generations. The coup regime targeting Russian speakers was the primary driver behind the civil war as opposed to Russian propaganda.

It’s not correct to call Ukraine’s legal government a “regime”.

Yes, it’s absolutely correct to call the puppet government US installed in Ukraine a regime. This regime has now outlawed oppositions parties, suppressed independent media, and recently cancelled elections.

That’s certainly a possibility, and wouldn’t be a good thing. USA has upcoming presidential elections, and apparently the hopefuls are dementiac old man and convicted criminal old man. If old man B somehow attains both the candidacy and victory, then that’s pretty much it.

The reality is that Ukraine is not a core interest for US, and as Obama explained back in 2016, Russia will always have escalatory dominance in the region. Russia sees NATO expansion into Ukraine as an existential threat, and now that the war has started there is no chance that Russia will not pursue it to the end. The commitment on the part of Russia is far more firm than the commitment on the part of US.

Furthermore, things aren’t looking good for Ukraine in Europe either. Anti war parties are polling all time high in France, Germany, Spain, Slovakia, Sweden, and many other countries. It is very likely that current governments will be voted out and there will be a backlash against the war because Europe is now entering a recession and living standards are collapsing.

So, as I explained earlier, the most likely scenario by a long shot is that western support crumbles at which point Ukraine will be forced to end the war on Russian terms.

yogthos OP , to worldnews in Britain is supplying depleted uranium rounds to Ukraine. These rounds will cause environmental and health issues long after the conflict. This is how much the west cares about Ukraine in practice.
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Then you’re thinking about Vietnam backwards. What you seem to be missing here is that the civil war in Ukraine started after the western backed coup in 2014. And the regions that wanted to separate from Ukraine are where the line of contact is.

Let’s take a look at a few slides from this lecture that Mearsheimer gave back in 2015 to get a bit of background on the subject. Mearsheimer is certainly not pro Russian in any sense, and a proponent of US global hegemony. First, here’s the demographic breakdown of Ukraine:

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here’s how the election in 2004 went:

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this is the 2010 election:

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As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:

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The regime that US backs in western Ukraine is entirely reliant on western aid both economically and militarily. This is precisely the same situation for US as Vietnam where they backed the regime in the south. Eventually, US found the cost of the war to be too high to bear and pulled out, at which point the south regime collapsed. We’re now approaching this point in the war in Ukraine. As Czech president recently pointed out, Ukraine has around six month left. After that point, western support is likely to dry up.

yogthos OP , to worldnews in Britain is supplying depleted uranium rounds to Ukraine. These rounds will cause environmental and health issues long after the conflict. This is how much the west cares about Ukraine in practice.
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Nothing makes this war special, that’s precisely why we can tell how this war will end based on historical precedent.

yogthos OP , to memes in HuMan NaTuRe
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If humans re selfish and greedy by nature however, it is an argument for creating systems that inhibit such negative qualities while promoting positive ones. We need systems where individual self interest aligns with the common interest. Unfortunately, capitalism is the opposite of that being a system of individual competition that pits everyone against each other. Setting up a capitalist society is akin to taking an alcoholic to an open bar.

yogthos OP , to worldnews in Britain is supplying depleted uranium rounds to Ukraine. These rounds will cause environmental and health issues long after the conflict. This is how much the west cares about Ukraine in practice.
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Friendly reminder that simply repeating that Russia could end this war by leaving Ukraine is completely meaningless. It’s clear that this isn’t going to happen, and there’s only one way this war will end. What the west is doing is prolonging the inevitable, the question is what the goal of the west here is ultimately.

yogthos OP , to linux in Laptop Brands with GNU/Linux Preinstalled
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Shipping a laptop with Linux makes it much easier for non technical people to use Linux.

yogthos OP , to worldnews in The Lula-Xi summit is a real challenge to a US-dominated world
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yogthos OP , to worldnews in The Lula-Xi summit is a real challenge to a US-dominated world
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lol nah I’m not automated, sorry for taking it the wrong way though

yogthos , to worldnews in Mexican president urges end to 'irrational' Ukraine war, wants Russia at peace talks
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I see you just conveniently omitted the whole 2014 coup when the legitimate government was overthrown in Ukraine and the regime that the west put in power started doing these sort of things to the Russian speaking population

The only one who’s lying here is you bud.

yogthos , to worldnews in Mexican president urges end to 'irrational' Ukraine war, wants Russia at peace talks
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Why would you lie about something that’s extremely well documented. Countless western experts have said this for decades. Claiming that this is some sort of an excuse made up by Putin is the height of intellectual dishonesty. Saying this was never about NATO is demonstrably bullshit. And they tried soft diplomacy for literally 8 years during which Ukraine and its western sponsors were supposed to implement Minsk. We now have plain admissions that this was never the plan from the west.

The best thing that can happen to Ukraine at this point is that it loses a bunch more territory and becomes a rump state that will be forced to accept Russian demands which will be far worse than those Ukraine could’ve accepted before the war. The worst case for Ukraine is that it could cease to exist as a state. Anybody who thinks that Ukraine can win this was is living in an alternate reality.

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