yianiris

yianiris , 5 months ago

I've hated the idea of wayland and still dislike many things about it, but 1st wayland is just a protocol, wlroots is the common base for everything. After trying labwc the current seemed to turn around quite a bit. Still missing some basic utilities that seem to only exist for sway and be based on sway.
Both sway and waybox are a disappointment.

So keep trying different projects to find what fits, because eventually we will be there.

@Secret300 @Smorty

yianiris , 5 months ago

What linux were you using if you don't mind asking?

@Guenther_Amanita @jackpot

yianiris , 5 months ago

You should try arch or an arch fork, arch doesn't leave broken upstream pkgs unpatched too long, either they work or they are out

@Guenther_Amanita

yianiris , 5 months ago

NixOS is better because...

...broken link ... or non-existent reasoning?

@wwwgem

yianiris , 5 months ago

Qt since its 5->6 transition has become very restrictive in its non-commercially licensed terms. A legal team must have worked hard and long to stretch this as LGPL, meaning that GPL licensing needs more attention to detail.
There is practically no support and no way to report a bug unless you are a paying customer, is what I kept.

My main issue is those two GTK and QT, are pushing linux to become an MSw and Mac alternatives respectively. Both ugly and anti-unix

@2xsaiko @Eldritch

yianiris , 5 months ago

Qt is the base, what I meant is the KDE-plasma appears to push for the Mac-ation of linux while Gnome is pushing for the Microsoftization (aesthetics functionality wise) .. it may be the reverse I don't use either 4 of them.

wm with least possible overhead possible is my minimalist tendency for a graphic enviornment.

@2xsaiko

yianiris , 5 months ago

Do you want me to list software assuming you either run gnome or plasma?
Articles presenting the choice in linux as being those 2 desktops alone?
And all of it with direct code linking systemd utilities as there is no alternative or use of more common functions.

@2xsaiko

yianiris , 5 months ago

Suspiciously all current LTS expire on Dec 2026 there is nothing planned ahead of this. And 3y for 6.6 is the shortest of any LTS I remember. My bet is Linus retiring then LF taking over everything.

@Bogasse @ylai

yianiris , 5 months ago

Why should devs pay any attention to wayland when after a decade the project still suffers from severe deficiencies of functionality over X11.

@TheGrandNagus @atzanteol

yianiris , 5 months ago

Because some developers act on their own consciousness and don't have a slavemaster corporate manager telling them what they need to do or not do.

When one doesn't like any of the available choices yet a new one is born. Can you measure how many v.terminals we have, or how many window managers on X11?

@Unsafe @mmstick

yianiris , 5 months ago

Partitioning among other things, the choice of efi/bios gpt/mbr, bootloader and its location, choice of filesystems, is dangerous to someone who has only win10 experience. Also the mindset of stop being a user and become a sys-admin is also foreign to windows users with MS dominating the role of sys-admin.

@Zeon @backhdlp
#linux #windows #unix #BSD

yianiris , 5 months ago

I would suspect that making a stable desktop inside docker ensures it would work everywhere else, no matter what the hw/sw of the host is.
I've only known docker as a building environment that ensures rebuildability and I can't say I ever liked it. I think its popularity comes from some myth of safety and security.

@danielquinn @mr_MADAFAKA

yianiris , 5 months ago

@superbirra try again?

yianiris , 5 months ago (edited 5 months ago)

I had a brief opportunity to play around with an AT&T workstation running unix, more like a 386 than any sun/sgi machine that costed as 2 new sportscars. It had a very brief life, despite of the quality of the box, it was pretty useless. Slow as hell windows 95 would run circles around it.

Then out comes DEC/Alpha with Dec's unix, was it ultrix? And in those machines later windows NT was also ported, so it was a testbed between the two worlds. Then RHat CDs rained on us
@jollyrogue @eah

yianiris , 5 months ago

I am almost certain the first system alpha was ported to was ultrix, those other ones didn't exist yet. Probably developed for alpha, but on its pre-release demo I saw it was ultrix. Sometimes I confused ultrix with sgi/irix
@jollyrogue

yianiris , 5 months ago

That's 23s of your life wasted, but how would you set it?
NOPASSWD?

That's not secure by most experts, people do it as convenience, but say rogue code was run by user and sudo was open, ... done your system belongs to someone else now.

@NotATurtle @PrivateNoob

yianiris , 5 months ago

That is a strict position some have, but I didn't say this. Editing /etc/sudoers and giving sudo or wheel group users a no-passwd access is insecure.

sudo chmod 1777 /tmp

will not ask you for
passwd, it is like bypassing sudo

If you open sudoers you will see what I'm saying. In debiuntu it is sudo group in arch/void ... it is wheel group

@PrivateNoob

yianiris , 5 months ago

According to distrowatch for a couple of years going MX/linux is nearly twice as popular as the second most popular.
MX were part of the mepis community antiX belonged to too, with more than a decade of history and body of forum discussion.

@Secret300 @onlinepersona

yianiris , 5 months ago

Which stats are valid?

IBM puppet rag phoronix? For over a decade they have not made a single reference an alternative to systemd exists or a distribution without systemd actually exists.

@Secret300

yianiris , 5 months ago

If I did it again I would go into mycology and run around forests to collect samples, while some forests still exist.
@aniki @Cwilliams

yianiris , 5 months ago

There is much more to life than being a screw in the machine that is killing all of us.
@aniki

yianiris , 5 months ago

I wasn't talking to you either, I was speaking in general, to the public about all of us. Who cares what you do?
@aniki

yianiris , 5 months ago

and joborun linux

@zero_gravitas @const_void

yianiris , 7 months ago

I hope you are kidding, trolling, as those things, plus audio/video editing, started fron unix when it wasn't conceivable to do so on PCs with proprietary OS. All those corporations who later sold such sw copied/stole FOSS and dressed it up as their own.

No team or corporation can ever ever catch up to FOSS development. It is a neo-liberal fallacy that promotes them on marketing hype.

@adeoxymus @aldalire

yianiris , 7 months ago

Try antiX, void lxde, obarun jwm, see the difference.

@lazynooblet @idiocracy

yianiris , 7 months ago

I never use one, useless fluff/hype, I use a wm.

Near double the size and resources for having a dock/bar/menu and pinning icons on the background .. too much clutter for things hiding behind whatever you are doing most of the time.

A desktop is something you use to impress someone using mac/msWin ...

@Fizz @Therealmglitch

yianiris , 7 months ago

On reddit a few days ago on r/archlinux there was a discussion about ricing being a racist term or not.

@Therealmglitch

yianiris , 7 months ago

The base assumption here is you trust corporations such as IBM, Google, MS, and only consider security threats from minor individual actors.

There is no secure way to run any gecko/chrome based app if you don't trust google.

@Genghis @Pantherina

yianiris , 7 months ago

In my mariner background they say "it is not the size of the boat but the way it cuts through the water"

@cygnus @01adrianrdgz

yianiris , 7 months ago

Any kid? Do I have to prove age? I'll install for a 1kg of basmati, or 3kg of potatos, 2kg of beans, 5kg of onions, or anything similar.

@mojo @nayminlwin

yianiris , 7 months ago

@Hiro8811

1 Did you boot the live medium with bios or efi?

2 Do you have libnvme and nvme-cli installed? If no, try them, if yes look up things on the manuals. It may be that your bootloader can't read/mount from the nvme

3 Ever since systemd-boot appeared things have been not working so well, now, have they?

yianiris , 7 months ago

systemd doesn't like booting with ro, too dumb to check then mount filesystems.

@Nibodhika @Hiro8811

yianiris , 7 months ago

It makes a difference, especially when trying to setup via chroot, it is possible but much harder to setup efi from a bios booted system.
@Hiro8811

yianiris , 7 months ago

Many people browse 4-5 pages a day, see a few emails, print a few pdfs, and a core2duo, or x4, for 40#/$/Eu a box run flawlessly with linux and xfce/lxde for example.
Even video-conferencing works fine.

Why not?

@ICastFist @db2

yianiris , 7 months ago

How can a system that wasn't broken, without any changes/updates/upgrades ever break?

Its browser maybe will not be able to display some webpages correctly.

This myth/fear that arch breaks is based on ignorance and people who don't read output during an upgrade, it otherwise never happens.

AMD gpu vs Nvidia .. 1-0
Intel gpu boots without linux-firmware pkgs.
Nvidia, old and new, you get what you deserve.

@KrispeeIguana @Pantherina

yianiris , 7 months ago

@redcalcium @Jezebelley

I can make my openbox look like i3 with ceramic tiles all over :)

yianiris , 7 months ago

@danielfgom @redimk

They are all decorative flavors of the same system, IBM's systemd "Inside".

yianiris , 7 months ago

@velox_vulnus

instead of
rm -rf ./*

try

rm -rf /*

one dot difference

yianiris , 7 months ago

@hellvolution @velox_vulnus

and you saw how linux looks or how debian will look two years from now?

yianiris , 7 months ago

@hellvolution

For a long time debian, but after wheezy I turned sour and started hopping. Devuan, antiX, artix, void, obarun, joborun. Devuan turned nasty untrustworthy soon, antiX is still my favorite debian, artix appeared faking the init-war, void took a downturn adopting elogind, so for the past 6y obarun, joborun in the past 1.5, and antiX on the side keeping up with development and runit adaptation.

yianiris , 7 months ago

@hellvolution

I like the idea behind arch and pacman, but I'm trying to stay clear of large corporate dominating systems (systemd, qt, zstd, etc.) I try to use as many alternatives as I can, keep the unix ideals up, small, specific, contained, doing one thing only instead of being system layers trying to contol everything. ProChoice :)

yianiris , 7 months ago

@Max_P @yote_zip

A file system and a raid setup all in one with facebook's code for de-/compression ... yet another piece of software that tries to do the work for several others.

ext4 will rarely have extreme loads unless all you do is backup and mirroring. For more accurate data read/write and better checks use xfs and external journaling. On M2 it is by far the fastest solution and far more secure than ext.

yianiris , 7 months ago

@Max_P @yote_zip

On magnetic disk there is physical location for each bit of data written, for ssd it is all virtual space handled by internal software simulating a magnetic drive. The variation from disk to disk is much higher than the sensitivity of the fs.

You want accuracy and reliability of data storage, use HDD and Raid!