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Italy detains three boats - for the crime of saving hundreds of refugees' lives (www.thecanary.co)

In the space of 48 hours, Italy’s authorities detained three refugee rescue vessels which had just saved hundreds of lives. The news comes as Italy’s far-right government has been cracking down on both refugees and those protecting them – amid over 2,000 people dying in the crossing....

sinkingship ,

Imagine a world, where one gets punished for helping dying people.

No need to imagine, we live in that world.

But isn’t there any European legislative that could overrule Italian’s racist government?

sinkingship ,

No, no, I’ve never said that. I am myself highly worried about many countries going further and further right.

I just thought that maybe there is a either European or international law that prohibits hindering people that help dying people. I’m pretty sure that there used to be a naval code, that sailors must help sailors.

I am not so crazy to think that it would have a high impact, but maybe Europe could threaten cutting financial aid or whatever.

But I see your point. With many countries going racist and with even a European border militia (Frontex), it’s probably only in the interest of Europe to look away.

sinkingship ,

You mean the Pope who stood up so firmly against sexual abuse in his own house?

Dream on.

sinkingship , (edited )

Hey, I’m not sure if you’re trolling or not, but try to help in case you really seek answers to your questions:

1880 was much cooler than today, globally about 1°C cooler. You’ll find plenty of graphs showing the history of global temperatures online and animated videos on YouTube.

There have been times, where Earth has been hotter than today. We know quite a lot about Earth’s history, it’s astonishing. However, the big problem we are facing today isn’t the temperature itself, but the speed of the change happening. When climate changes naturally it takes thousands of years. This allows for many plants and animals to adapt and migrate, not all though. Some are always left behind in this circle of life.

Today’s temperature change appears to be faster than anything we see in history, posing the worry that a lot of life forms will not be able to adapt in time. If I recall correctly, today’s atmosphere is changing about 200 times faster than it did during the most severe mass extinctions in history we know about and animals go extinct about 1000 times faster than they should in a world without humans.

In today’s articles you often see “since 1880”. There is older temperature data, both from thermometers as also from other more abstract sources, as for example air bubbles trapped in ice cores give an atmosphere reading of a time long ago etc. However, older measurements are highly localized and don’t cover enough places of earth to get a reliable reading of global average temperatures.

It is also possible, that we will see this “measuring starting point” 1880 go back to earlier decades in future, as there are still tons of records that aren’t evaluated yet. One example would be the detailed sailing ship logs of previous centuries that cover wide areas of Earth.

sinkingship ,

Thank you! If you have specific questions, feel free to ask them. If I can’t answer, maybe somebody else can. I read a lot about these things, but I am no scientist or expert.

If you want to take an advise: try to ask differently. Maybe it takes more than a single sentence, maybe admit like “I don’t understand XY, can someone explain…” or something alike.

Your initial post and the second showed that you don’t know but at the same time sounded like you were having doubt in science or didn’t take it seriously. As there are plenty of people who doubt science but at the same time are not open to discussion, you might get down votes instead of answers.

sinkingship ,

Singing along to Refused.

“I wanna watch the world burn for what we’ve become”

I’m sorry! It’s just a song, I didn’t mean it literally!

sinkingship ,

If “average” only would mean that the temperature is the same everywhere.

sinkingship ,

It seems to get more difficult to end an article with optimisms:

But it would be wrong to call what is happening a “climate collapse” […] we still have time to secure a liveable future for many

For many, hm.

Reminded my of another article ending on

Here is where we need to invest and make changes and innovate and not give up. We can’t just write off billions of people.

Article mentioned

sinkingship ,

Man, you are so right. The weirdest part is, that your behavior isn’t even socially very accepted.

I, too, love engines. I admire the technology and how genius they are put together. My dream is to own a cruiser motorbike and go drive through the countryside. I don’t think this will happen, as I would hate myself to burn fuel for pleasure.

I own a very old, tiny scooter, that I only use to carry heavy stuff. I used to carry on my shoulders, but mom in law felt sorry for me and gave me her oldest, broken, rusty scooter, that nobody used for months, because she bought a new one again. I repaired it. My wife gets upset, when I don’t drive her around. For example to the market 500 meters down the road to buy a can of soda or so. I only use it for hard work.

People surrounding me think I don’t like progress. No, man, I would love to have a more convenient life! Driving to me is fun, I enjoy it! I just can’t stand myself to do something bad to environment for my pleasure, so I try not to. And people think I’m weird.

I know people like you and me don’t even make a difference. Whatever amount we save and not emit in our whole lifetime - some ignorant wealthy will blow out within 5 minutes.

sinkingship ,

I’ve been thrown off by “An El Nino cycle is typically 2-7 years long.” But the Wikipedia page really says this.

However, I believe this is meant as the time between El Niño years, not how long a single El Niño pattern sticks.

Looking at history records (NOAA) makes me think so.

If anyone can clarify, please feel free to educate me.

sinkingship ,

Look up “bureau 39”. They have installed a nice cash flow institute, that goes around the sanctions.

sinkingship ,

This is just sickening! I’m not sure if I want to vomit or rage.

sinkingship ,

And the melody is based on a Soviet march song. (Link leads to YouTube song)

sinkingship ,

Pension, lol. I don’t know how old you are, but I wouldn’t count on pension in very few decades.

We would need to do much more than flying less, driving less and invest money. We would need to change the entirety of our lifestyles. And by now we probably need to have luck as well.

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