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GreaterDane ,

But the mayor of Padua, Sergio Giordani, is defying the government’s orders and continuing to issue birth certificates recognizing two-mom families.

God bless this man. May the rest of Italy be so bold!

pinkdrunkenelephants ,

And so it motherfucking begins 🤦

utopianfiat ,

Where have you been for like the entire Berlusconi administration

Mair ,
@Mair@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

10 million hatreds upon those who have wronged us

InternetTubes ,

Elected fascists doing elected fascist things. Spain is going to be like this soon enough as well, maybe together they will roll the welcome mat for Putin as well.

girltwink ,

Spain? That’s extremely disappointing. Spain was my backup plan if the United States decides to do a genocide. I guess it’s Canada now?

iesou ,

Italy was mine…

utopianfiat ,

No dude, they’re not fascists, they’re socialists. Social media says everyone in Europe is to the left of America

InternetTubes ,

Left and right are artificial, meaningless constructs, and I will never get tired of saying that. Reality is complex, but people are idiots. If there is any political division, it is more along the lines of the parties that try to follow their political goals within the structure of their constitution and design of their governments, and those that don’t mind breaking it to achieve their goals.

Coreidan ,

Ok well I was never planning on going to Italy anyway. Sounds like a real shit hole.

lulztard ,

Facists announcing that they will oppress minorities when they’re being voted into power.

Gets voted into power. Oppresses minorities.

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plumbercraic ,
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Under current Italian law, the member of a same-sex couple who is not legally recognized as a child’s parent could lose custody if the legally recognized parent dies or the relationship ends. Shameful, hateful shit. What the hell Italy.

Palkom ,

I’m gonna admit to doing the reddit thing where I read the title and the comments and start to form an opinion.

Reading your comment, I thought Hmm, well, that doesn’t seem too unreasonable. Should a new partner in a separated-parents-scenario really have a claim on custody? Well, reading the actual article where same-sex couples get married and have children get the birth certificate retroactively changed to not include one of the parents is a whole different story.

Shameful, hateful shit. What the hell Italy.

Yeah, I’m with you. What the actual hell.

TWeaK ,

Gotta do something to distract from the abject poverty the government has driven the country into over the last 30 years. Back then, Italy was about as wealthy as Germany and France.

njm1314 ,

See this is what happens when you go to long without hanging all the fascists. Every 50 years or so you have to round them all up and find a gas station.

It_Smells_Like_Frogs ,

Dude, you’re not much better if you write comments like this. Chill out man.

FediFuckerFantastico ,

In the real world, evil must be met with appropriate force. Not every “right” action is covered in flowers and rainbows, sometimes you have to do hard, unlikeable things because otherwise people trying to change the world for the worse will succeed. You can’t give fascists a slap on the wrist.

InputZero ,

Just checking; in your opinion those hard unlikeable things should not be someone’s first choice, and should be nearer to a last resort, correct?

utopianfiat ,

Nope. Fascists need to be executed before they get the power to hang everyone else.

Lenins2ndCat ,
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I don’t want to be better, I want to be alive. These people want to destroy minorities. It is SELF DEFENCE for everyone that is a member of a minority group and everyone that supports minorities to want to destroy fascists.

None of this would be a fucking problem if you people actually did something about them in advance for once. Socialists recognise the need for re-education as a means of correcting when various parts of the population are going down the wrong path but liberals time and time again completely ignore the problem until it is too late plunging countries into conflict. You don’t do jack shit until the only solution is violence when in reality it could be solved non-violently much much earlier if you acknowledge that these people need putting through rehabilitation facilities.

The fact of the matter is that it’s already too fucking late for that. Both in america and in several other countries. The only option now is the inevitability of things progressing until violence.

phatskat ,

Bear in mind that in fascism, the only majority is the person at the top. The circle always shrinks as far as it can to make the in group smaller and the our group larger.

All the fascist apologists and deniers who think “well I’ll be safe” don’t understand this and don’t see that the circle will eventually cut them out.

samus12345 ,
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Won’t somebody think of the poor fascists?? T_T

Gawanoh ,

Out just talk about them never with them.

teri ,

This sounds really bad and I’m afraid it’s even worse than it sounds. For example, end of 2022 Italy introduced a law which bans certain types of harmless assemblies (rave parties) of more than 50 people (participants can be put to jail for up to 6 years). This is paving the road for cutting possibilities of people to protest against their government. (Imagine, there is a a protest and somebody plays music. The government will see a rave party.) Yet the Italian government seems to have no problem with 3000 neofascists visiting the hometown of Mussolini. And now this.

pacology , (edited )
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This isn’t completely true. The right of assembly is a constitutional right in Italy within small limits (the assembly must be peaceful, without firearms, and requires a notice to local authorities if it uses a public space, see art. 17.

Now, I don’t believe that a rave party falls within those protections as it isn’t protected speech (and I don’t believe there is a place where it is).

Italy will continue to have protests and marched, usually with music because Italy.

ajoebyanyothername ,

I think the argument is more that the government could use these laws to categorise a protest with music (lawful) as a rave (unlawful) and arrest those involved, thus discouraging further protests.

stappern ,

nah

ajoebyanyothername ,

I appreciate it’s a bit of a slippery slope argument, I was just clarifying the parent comment’s argument. I’m not sure how much your retort adds to the argument though.

afraid_of_zombies ,

It isn’t a slippery slope if you are on it, it is just a slope.

teri ,

I really hope so.

crowlemo ,

I’m curious if you feel the same way about Italy and nearly every other country already banning protests because “it’s for yours or others safety” like they dd when they passed extremely Draconian covid policies.

And this is not hypothetical. Police didn’t allow people to manifest against the gov.

What you say is bad, but it I hope people would be consistently appalled. Not just partisan based.

SCB ,

Lmao tell me again how the US is soooo far to the right of “Europe”

afraid_of_zombies ,

I worry about them sometimes. If your entire culture is focused on a different one…

notavote ,

My opinion is that state and law should not care about sex of a parent or partner. Just to guarantee us all the same rights.

My other option is that this is quite bad news article (thou that might not be news site, so it is not on them, but on us) since there are a lot of opinions but is hard to find any facts in it.

What exactly is the law? Who exactly is who? What are the consequences, practical not only emotional? This is raising fear levels, but I am not certain what to fight against (except whole Italian government).

Crucible_Fodder ,

If the state infringes on your natural rights, just ignore it and defend your way of life through any means necessary

SCB ,

The ol “I’m not driving, I’m traveling” SovCit line lol

S0berage ,
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Disgusting comments from some pro-lifers on this thread. Throwing this child into an orphanage when they had a stable family already is the anti-thesis of pro family doctrine. It’s hypocritical ultra right wing bigotry. All that remains of the right is their absolute hatred of the left. This really is the death of right wing majority governments. We saw their true colours during the January 6th capitol hill insurrection, during the BLM protests, during the Ukraine and Syria conflicts where Republicans teamed up with foreign enemy governments and during Obama’s presidency.

SoleInvictus ,
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    Killer ,

    The idiots are no longer ashamed of being stupid.

    Jordan_the_hutt ,

    These are the kinds of people who go to a book club meeting every Sunday for a book that clearly non of them have ever read.

    It’s insane that ultra-right fascists (in Italy and America at least) always define themselves as “Christian.”

    Christ would flip tables on them and pull out his whip

    FlyingSquid ,
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    That is sick. Absolutely sick.

    HardlightCereal ,

    So what happens when a trans lesbian has a kid with a cis lesbian in the usual way children are made? Does the kid lose their sperm donor as a parent??

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