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lazylion_ca ,

Did people march like this for Ukraine?

guriinii ,

No, because the British government didn’t support Russia politically or sell them weapons, or tell them, “We hope you win”.

IbnLemmy ,

No mate, what’s your point? Are you seriously comparing Israel to Russia, you antisemite you…

charlytune ,
@charlytune@mander.xyz avatar

Why would they , the UK government was supporting Ukraine, what would a march be protesting against?

Omega_Haxors ,

In Canada they got in huge trouble over a standing ovation for a “Ukrainian war hero” who fought communism as a member of, uh oh, the S.S.

zerfuffle ,

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free

IbnLemmy ,

Why do right wingers say this chant is antisemitic?

Syldon ,
@Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

Because it is a known antisemitic chant to murder all jews from the river Jordan to the sea.

ondoyant ,
@ondoyant@beehaw.org avatar

that isn’t what the linked article says lol.

crapwittyname ,

It’s not “from the river to the sea, murder all Jews”, though, now is it?
Seems a bit of a leap, what you’re saying there?

Syldon ,
@Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

I never said I used it or made any assumptions. This is how some see its inference, which answers the posters question.

crapwittyname ,

You said “it is”. And it’s still a huge leap to infer that the call for freedom of Palestine would require the mass murder of anyone.
The chant doesn’t say anything about harming anyone, and it doesn’t say that Palestine is/shall be the only territory between the river and the sea.
This whole furore about the chant is devoid of logic.

Syldon ,
@Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

Pretty pathetic pedantism. You need more things to entertain yourself with my friend.

kungen ,

It’s not genocide, it’s just Lebensraum, no? Seems a bit of a leap that Lebensraum would imply such a thing?

crapwittyname ,

It’s not Lebensraum though. Palestinians are literally being oppressed.
Why are you likening the Palestinian struggle for freedom from oppression to the genocidal machinations of the third Reich?

zerfuffle ,

Israel is the settler here, so it’s more like the resistance against Nazi occupation.

devz0r ,

OK, well, "all lives matter" doesn't mean "black lives don't matter" BUT we all know what they actually mean. It's called a dogwhistle. "from the river to the season" is also a dogwhistle, because the term comes from Palestinian organizations and people that want to wipe Israel off the map. You COULD just say "one-state" but that doesn't have the fun wink-wink that a dogwhistle has.

Omega_Haxors ,

Because they’re attracted to children.

ndsvw ,
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    IbnLemmy ,

    I did look at a map. Gaza is by the sea, and west bank is by the river. Gaza and west bank will be free, doesn’t make a great slogan. Frome the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, makes a great slogan

    How is that antisemitic?

    ndsvw ,
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    IbnLemmy ,

    I don’t know why you are getting so defensive and upset. Also not sure why you think I’m trying to achieve something. Is anyone who defends Palestine some sort of shadowy sinister bearded brown Hamas supporter?

    Christ, go touch some grass.

    The slogan is used by many pro palestinian supporters, and I’m trying understand why so offensive or is this yet another case of culture bullying by pro Israeli zealots.

    And your German example makes no sense. Are you comparing people who want an end to the genocide of an entire people to far right German nazis?

    Do go out and touch some grass…

    zerfuffle ,

    Because they want a reason to be mad.

    OurToothbrush ,

    Because they want to equate zionism and Judaism.

    ndsvw ,
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    Omniraptor , (edited )

    Because it is not enough to simply stop carpet bombing of civilians. If you want to truly stop the violence, that involves eventually giving Palestinians full citizenship and civil rights on the same level as Jews instead of forcing them to live in ghettoes. That’s how a free society works. Until Israel does that there can be no true peace. A separate Palestinian state is not an option because of all the illegal (under international law) Jewish settlements in the west bank making a border impossible to maintain.

    Once again, apartheid is itself violence. That’s what the slogan is rallying against

    OurToothbrush ,

    @justsec

    Conflating antizionism and antisemitism is antisemitic, do not make a similar report again.

    AceFuzzLord ,

    Not really related to the articles but the little article image thumbnail thing kinda looks like an angry eye.

    Saff ,

    Well…over a million marched in London to put a stop to Brexit and it didn’t do anything. Considering this conflict is even less so under the control of the British government I’m not sure what this march will do a damn thing.

    EmpathicVagrant ,

    The people are not part of it anymore. They haven’t been listened to in a very long time.

    sanguinepar ,
    @sanguinepar@lemmy.world avatar

    Even if nothing comes of it, even if no policy is changed, it’s still important for people to (peacefully) express their opposition to something they disagree with, rather than meekly accept whatever their government does.

    This applies to any such protest, not just today’s.

    It’s also important that they get out and vote for change when they have a chance.

    NAXLAB , (edited )

    Hijacking this comment to say:

    The point of protest is to (peacefully) coerce the government by means of disruption. I’m making a huge boiling down of MLKs philosophy, but he was very clear: if you don’t use methods of coercion, the government has no reason to pay attention.

    novibe ,

    Also very important to remember, the changes MLK fought for only came about after he was murdered by the CIA and there were massive riots, extremely violent in some cases.

    agent_flounder ,
    @agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

    But not The Civil Rights Act of 1964. Presumably you mean The Civil Rights Act of 1968?

    I’d like to point out that while some things about the assassination of MLK don’t add up, conspiracy theories don’t agree about exactly who was behind the assassination. A civil case in 1999 pointed to the Mafia and Nashville law enforcement, for example.

    Although there isn’t sufficient evidence, I think, to draw a solid conclusion about any of these theories, I don’t think they are outside the realm of plausibility.

    After all, the FBI had expended quite a bit of effort to discredit MLK. They had mailed alleged sex tapes to King with a letter urging him to kill himself. And we now know that the FBI had put together a dossier of unverified claims. It’s also well known King was wiretapped on the word of J E Hoover since 1963 and surveilled since 1956.

    As threatened as racists in power were by MLK, it isn’t a huge stretch to imagine one of the more corrupt ones going farther than simply attempting to discredit him or push him to suicide, since those tactics didn’t work.

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    novibe ,

    The CIA in fact, was born from alliances made between nascent “intelligence” agencies and crime organizations.

    There is a great channel on YouTube that is doing a series on the origins of the CIA. EyesWideShut is the name of the channel.

    I highly recommend it. It shows clearly how corrupt and criminal it was from the start.

    Flyberius ,
    @Flyberius@hexbear.net avatar

    I was there. Well worth it just to see that good people do exist.

    MattsAlt ,
    @MattsAlt@hexbear.net avatar

    So tired of “protests are useless” posting. There are good ways to make a critique of a movements but this is not it.

    The past decade around the globe protest movements exploded into radical restructuring of various countries’ way of governing. This particular protest doesn’t seem like it will evolve into that, but no one ever predicted the outcome of past eruptions.

    A protest isn’t a reliable or advisable way to create a revolution, but they are still great organizing opportunities and solidarity building events.

    Please stop with the nihilism

    Cockmaster6000 ,

    Oi bruv you got a license for that opinion?

    DeathWearsANecktie ,

    With the Tory government in charge it won’t be long until we really do start hearing this from our police officers

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