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ristoril_zip , (edited )

If the point of supporting Ukraine is to support the international order of respecting borders, then an absolutist interpretation would mean you stop at your border when repelling invaders.

On the other hand, that would certainly result in invaders loading up on personnel and materiel on their side of the border until they reached some critical mass for a re invasion.

A lot of people might not remember the first Gulf War where the international community defending Kuwait stopped at the Iraq border. I think it could be argued that was a mistake on multiple levels, even ignoring everything we know that came after.

yogthos OP ,
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It’s simply not credible for a group of countries responsible for constant invasions of other countries to claim to be defending borders or supporting any sort of international law. The US at this very moment is occupying a larger percentage of Syria than Russia is of Ukraine.

mormund ,

That is just what-about-ism. The US doing bad things is no reason to allow other nations to fight imperialistic wars.

yogthos OP ,
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Nah it’s not just whataboutism, this is a conflict between NATO and Russia. NATO is claiming to have some moral superiority in this conflict, but it’s very obvious that NATO is fighting an imperialistic war for control of Ukraine.

mormund ,

Ah, yes of course. How could I miss how supplying the people of a sovereign nation with weapons and intelligence in a defensive ground war against a foreign invader is building an empire. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

yogthos OP ,
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Ah yes, NATO is just altruistically helping the right wing regime that the west installed in Ukraine after overthrowing the legitimate democratically elected government. 🤡

ristoril_zip , (edited )

What on earth are you talking about occupying Syria?

Edit: they’re misconstruing the 32-country military coalition that’s been trying to degrade Da’esh since 2014 as the US military by itself occupying sovereign territory.

…m.wikipedia.org/…/War_against_the_Islamic_State

Some may remember the breathless daily & weekly map updates on the news showing areas controlled by Da’esh changing. Might remember the coalition partnering with various groups of differing militancy & reliability. I think including us (the coalition) fucking over Iraqi Kurds…? I believe because Syria hated them? Or loved them?

So, y’know, absolutely nothing like Russia’s completely unprovoked, unilateral decision to invade Ukraine because Putin was afraid of Ukraine getting too chummy with NATO countries, possibility even considering joining NATO.

yogthos OP ,
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Do you live in a cave? barrons.com/…/damascus-says-us-occupation-of-syri…

DoiDoi ,
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Look at this comment they made yesterday

I’m conflicted about it, but the fact is one reason the US has been so successful in leading the world in relative peace (as compared to WWII and before, not compared to the ideal) is because we have so much capacity for violence in our back pocket.

Radioactive levels of ignorance.

yogthos OP ,
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truly

ristoril_zip ,

Updated

yogthos OP ,
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proceeded to further embarrass yourself

What_Religion_R_They ,
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always a wake up call comment to make me realize im on the other world news comm

anarchoilluminati ,
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It’s startling and confusing at times, honestly.

I feel like I must be misreading or having a stroke until I figure it out.

yogthos OP ,
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The US is in Syria against the will of the legitimate government of Syria that’s recognized by the UN. This is an invasion and a violation of the sovereignty of Syria. Period.

The fact that you rushed in to try and paint it as something other while bleating about Russia’s completely unprovoked, unilateral decision to invade Ukraine says everything we need to know about you.

vovchik_ilich ,

completely unprovoked

considering joining NATO

Those two statements are in the same phrase… My god

What_Religion_R_They ,
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Good start to the blame game, hopefully NYT article next

dkr567 , (edited )

Gotta one up Israelis in grifting American/western taxpayers’ money somehow even with the plan being awful.

UlyssesT ,

zelensky-pain stairs i-told-you-dog

culpritus ,
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I was wondering how quickly into the article there would be fascist dog-whistling about invading Kursk. 2nd paragraph.

“I felt myself a part of history, because it was the first time since the Second World War Russia’s been invaded,” Sergei, the flaxen-haired trooper, told POLITICO
“I had the most powerful feeling,” he said.

anonochronomus ,
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“I had the most powerful feeling,” he said.

That’s probably just the Pervitin.

NastyNative ,

It’s all fair in love and war!

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