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Exclusive: Haniyeh killed by projectile and not a planted bomb, eyewitnesses say

Three individuals who were in the heavily guarded building in Tehran where Ismail Haniyeh was assassinated have told Middle East Eye that the Hamas political chief was killed by a projectile fired at his room and not a planted bomb.

The individuals, one of whom was staying in a room near Haniyeh’s, said on Friday that they heard sounds before an explosion shook the building, sounds they said appeared to be consistent with those made by a missile.

“This was definitely a projectile and not a planted bomb,” one of the individuals told MEE, adding that they saw the aftermath of the explosion which appeared to be consistent with an attack by a missile.

Don_Dickle ,

If this is true then why didn’t Iran or someone in Iran say an aircraft did it. I’ll wait for more news.

lemmefixdat4u ,

Totally agree. Iran can see incoming aircraft and missiles on their radar. There would have been widespread social media reports of the missile flying over the city. These things did not happen. Where’s the missile debris? That would have been the lead story on local TV news. Iranian leadership would love to tie the attack back to a missile provided by the US. That would have been their first claim if it really was due to a missile. This story sounds more like Iran belatedly trying to change the narrative.

Linkerbaan OP ,
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F35s are stealth bombers and smaller drones would be harder to detect.

Of course this article is just testimonies and nothing concrete, but it is worth mentioning that the bomb plant theory is not a universal truth yet.

philpo ,

And this F35/drone came from where? And shot with what?

The F35 has an estimated range of 2800km without any weaponry and a realistic combat range of around 1400km.

That would mean Israel would need to use mid air refuelling or external fuel tanks (which they absolutely have for the F35) - the F35 were involved in Yemen,but the distance to Yemen is much smaller from Nevatim.

Now, there is of course the option to mid air refuelling as they did for Yemen. But: Tankers are regular airline aircraft and as such they are visible on every military and civil radar since the 40ies. And there is a lot of unfriendly airspace between the Iranian airspace and Israel - namely Syria and Iraq - but also long range radars from Iran, Türkiye, etc.would be able to pick that up. Additionally: Teheran is a long way from the only spot where Israel could do such a refuelling operation - the Persian gulf (and/or Iraq’s airspace,but that doesn’t change a thing). Even IF they somehow managed to sneak a tanker through AND pulled of an refuelling operation without anyone noticing they would need to fly the F35 to Teheran and back from international or “bribed friendly” airspace.

Which is also out of the range of a stealth F35. Sure,you can use external fuel tanks and a buddy to buddy refuelling system - but that would mean that the tanker-F35 would be non-stealth and the refuelling process IN Iranian airspace would be even less stealth.

AND the Israelis would need to follow this up with another tanker refuelling operation,now with Iranian radars in full defence mode after the strike. AND we haven’t even talked about the projectile which would need to be stealth as well AND both precise and small enough to take out only a single room and that room only. Currently there is none that we are aware of.

Tbh: Sure, in theory it could be done. But it would still rely on gross Iranian air defence incompetence, multiple not very Israel friendly neighbouring countries keeping their mouth shut AND a projectile that would have been previously unknown.

So there is a close to zero possibility that this really happened - even for Israel’s often daring missions this is beyond their means. (Besides the US would very likely stop further deliveries if Israel would risk multiple F35 over Iran for such a mission)

But of course there is a second option: The United states! Well. Of course. They absolutely have carriers in the region and in theory try such a mission - their only advantage here would be,that they don’t need the tanker air refueling part, though - the buddy refuelling would still be needed, though and is still a problem, same goes for the projectile. And the US has zero political inclination to do so because if they got caught they are in deep shit worldwide, they are already in deep shit as they likely need to defend Israel from the retaliation anyway, they also do not risk a F35 lightly AND the democrats would surely loose the election as well if this goes wrong. So basically they are extremely unlikely as well.

Now of course there are drones left. You mentioned small drones - they indeed are an option for surgical strikes like that and are used in Ukraine like that. But: These drones have a very small range as well - OR they are big and easy to see on radar. Even a household drone can be seen easily on a 70ies military radar… So they would need to have a team within close proximity as well…

So again… it’s highly unlikely.

Linkerbaan OP , (edited )
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So how did israel bomb the port of Yemen last week? Someone refueled their airplane.

America has bases in Iraq, Jordan and Saudi and practically all the rest. Remember the Iraqis telling America to get out recently and America saying “nah”.

You heavily underestimate how complicit the US is in the israeli Genocide in Gaza. Aside from an israeli pushing the fire button everything else is American.The Biden administration is still claiming israel did not commit a single war crime just as a reminder.

Of course it’s not confirmed it was a missile yet but I certainly wouldn’t rule it out yet. But the bomb theory originates from NYT only which is hit or miss when it comes to the Genocide. Especially with the picture of the building in the article which indicates a wall blown up by a missile

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/ce3876e0-4015-4c70-89de-b910974fa13f.webp

philpo ,

As mentioned the Israelis used their tankers for Yemen- this has been confirmed in various media reports by now. Which is far easier considering they could easily use the red sea for these.

…when they bombed Natanz earlier in 2024 they needed to bomb two radar installations on their way there to deliver a loitering ammunition with a far greater range to closer target.

… Sure,the US could have allowed Israeli jets to use Al Udeid(which is the only base that allows F35 in the region and range that is currently under direct US control)for refuelling. But this base is basically under 34/7 surveillance by every half worthy intelligence agency and a lot of plane spotters. Al-Asad is used in conjunction with the Iraqis (which would surely not keep their mouth shut if the Israelis showed up there, especially after the earlier attack on their radar).Also range wise it is to far away.

… I have explained why a drone attack even from a US installation is next to impossible in my other post. As well as the small likelyhood of the US administration to risk a direct involvement here (which does not make their stance on Gaza any better).

And for the rest here: Look at OPs post history. It’s basically only one sided posts on the Gaza/IIR/Hezbollah conflict and sprinkled with fake news. OP is a IIR shill

philpo ,

There is currently no known projectile that can take out a single room in a suburban concrete building with such precision without collateral damage, even less one that cannot be detected by radar and can be delivered by a stealth aircraft. Of course there might be technology we are unaware of, but it is highly unlikely just due to the physics behind it. (And which obviously did not lead any parts behind)

But it is a huge embarrassment, even a major risk for their lives, for the Iranian security services and some of their higher ups if the story about the planted bomb is true. Because that means even very elite Republican guard units and officers are either very very bad at their job - or a Mossad asset. Both are a major risk for the political elite in Iran as both the embarrassment towards the public and especially their own allies, but also possible infighting/blamegames are a danger to the current status.

So I wonder which theory is more likely to be true: A mysterious wonder of a projectile or a political regime lying.

Linkerbaan OP ,
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The image does not suggest high precision bombing. The entire wall is blown out.

israel has stealth bombers and hell we’ve even seen videos from Hezbollah just flying their drone above israel, so a small new drone could be possible?

Nothing is here is concrete evidence of course but it indicates possibility of a missile shouldn’t be ruled out with certainty.

philpo ,

Parts of the wall are blown out,not the entire wall - considering Iranian(!) reports how many other people were in the same building and did not end up getting killed that is incredible precision like. Have you seen the damage a hellfire, a Popeye or a ROCKS missile does? They would only leave rubble of the building if fully armed and even when unarmed would harm far more people/cause more damage if only partially or unarmed. (And leave a lot of parts for the Iranian government to show around).

Besides: When Israel attacked Natanz they had to blast two more radar sites (Iraqi and Syrian) on their way. Nothing like that happened this time,even though both sides are operational again according to their respective militaries.

So there is definitely no air to surface missile involved here,sorry.

And while an attack with a purely ballistic missile is always possible basically everyone and their mother would detect these (including a lot of not very Israel friendly countries like Russia, Türkiye, Chins,etc.).

And in terms of a small drone: Sorry,but are you fucking kidding me? Hezbollah has the fucking Israeli border right in front of their door. A household DJI drone can fly from Hezbollah positions into Israel.

In the Iranian matter we have 600+km of Iranian(!) airspace just to get to the closest border towards Israel and over 1400km in total. You know what makes small drones small? Their small batteries and their small range. For a drone this large we are talking about the size of a Harop or larger - which would be very very observable on radar. And we haven’t even talked about the second problem so far: Communication. A drone needs either a radio link to or very very EW resistant navigation. Neither the US,UK, France or Germany have pulled this off in a non stealth/much larger drone so far beyond a few hundreds km for an attack drone . And no, satellite connections are not a solution here as you can easily identify them with capable EW/AD operators (which Iran generally has + their neighbours definitely have). That’s why global hawks, etc. are very much visible.

So unless Israel has a magic mini drone that flies 1400km undetected and without any good communication link for at least 700km there is only one option for the small drone scenario: That the Mossad/IDF managed to get some operators within 50km of Teheran, launch a previously unknown stealth drone unseen by local security agencies and AD, set up a very capable comm link without being picked up or aim the drone themselves and then exfil without being seen. Which is even a larger intelligence blunder than the bomb being placed inside the building.

So no,there is literally close to zero probability that the Israelis pulled off a missile or drone strike like that.

If they do have a magic drone that defies current technical limitations and a lot of physics the international community should be really worried and I must tip my head to them for such an extraordinary achievement.

And sorry, if you repeat the same sentence without any valid arguments it makes me wonder if you are just a shill spreading propaganda here. Oh wait. Let’s have a look at your account. And oh wonder: You are exclusivly posting one sided content on the issue, often riddled with fake news.

You are indeed an IIR shill

Agent641 ,

The R9X is a kinetic kill missile which can kill a person without injuring someone standing 2m away.

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