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China has declared that all rare earth mineral deposits within the country now belong to the state. China controls 60% of global rare earth mineral reserves and accounts for 90% of production globally

cross-posted from: hexbear.net/post/2904990

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The Chinese government has introduced a slew of new measures designed to tighten its grip on lucrative natural resources used in everything from electric cars to wind turbines. In a list released by the country’s State Council on Saturday, Beijing declared that rare earth metals are the property of the state and warned “no organization or person may encroach on or destroy rare-earth resources.” From Oct. 1, when the rules come into force, the government will operate a rare earth traceability database to ensure it can control the extraction, use and export of the metals. China currently produces around 60 percent of the world’s rare earth metals, and is the origin of around 90 percent of refined rare earths on the market. Advertisement

Beijing has already prohibited exports of rare earth refining and magnet manufacturing technologies. In January, it banned the export of gallium and germanium, both highly sought after by the computer-chip industry. Fears that China is looking to exert control over the industry, and could disrupt critical technology, automotive and renewable energy supply chains, have sparked a race to shore up supplies from alternative suppliers. Both the U.S. and the EU have launched efforts to procure rare earths at home and abroad, including in Vietnam, Brazil and Australia. A year ago, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announced construction of the first large-scale rare earth refinery outside of Asia, located in Estonia. She said the move would “bolster European resilience and security of supply.”

A 2022 analysis from the European Parliament warned that over-reliance on monopolistic suppliers was a major risk for Europe. “The EU imports 93 percent of its magnesium from China, 98 percent of its borate from Turkey, and 85 percent of its niobium from Brazil. Russia produces 40 percent of the world’s palladium,” it said. “The latter is a reminder of the strategic implications of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and the need for the EU to prepare for an increasingly uncertain world.”

The EU has launched a probe into anti-competitive trading allegations against the Chinese electric vehicle market, which benefits from heavy government subsidies and preferential access to essential rare earth metals. Earlier this month, the two sides agreed they would host consultations in order to try and resolve the standoff.

That last paragraph really is so damning. It is admitting the superiority of China’s central planning and how it is being used to actually improve society. ”But at what cost?”

Well, apparently the cost is that shares of China’s largest rare earth mineral mining firm have gone China proving socialists right every single day and absolutely crushing the capitalist development speedrun challenge. It’s genuinely hilarious that the development plan of China runs basically like what I’ll describe below, and capitalist nations are just completely incapable of stopping it from happening because the power of capital is greater than the power of their states.

porky-happy “hmmm yes, today I will invest in the Chinese rare earth mineral market. Since China controls 90% of global production and all of the infrastructure is in place, all I have to do is bring my money, tech, and expertise with me and I’ll carve myself some serious profit! Easy money!”

xigma-male “Ahh yes thank you for the help developing our mining industry/technology Mr. Foreign Capital. We appreciate your business and you had a great run, but unfortunately for you we have nationalized your mineral resources. The extractive capitalism will now stop. Feel free to reinvest elsewhere or compete with us on the global market tho :)”

porky-scared-flipped ”China is nationalizing its rare earth minerals, but at what cost? We need to ban China from–“

porky-happy ”Wait omg is that another investment opportunity in China where I can bring in my capital/technology/expertise to make some money? Hell yeah, where do I sign?”

Rinse and repeat

Frokke ,

So many chinese bots in ere.

Deinonychusanti OP ,

“Everything I don’t like is Russian or Chinese.”

mindbleach ,

Woooo sodium-ion batteries.

glimse ,

Image posts should be banned on all news communities. Just post the link to the article. We don’t need a screenshot of the headline.

NateNate60 ,

Questionable news plus four paragraphs of highly partisan commentary

Even Reddit news is superior, and that place is a shit hole

unexposedhazard ,

This just forces the west to speed up research on alternative solutions to those materials. So win win really.

ShimmeringKoi ,
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

some-controversy Common People’s Republic W

protist ,

You’re so blinded by this lust you have for China that you forgot to read a goddamn thing about this besides the headline. What China’s doing is intentionally cutting production to prop up rare earth mineral prices. They’re purposefully making these minerals more expensive so the businesses that refine them can stay in business. You might recall similar business models from the Texas Railroad Commission and later OPEC, both regarding petroleum supply controls.

Here’s an article if you care to know anything at all about what’s actually happening lmao

TrippyFocus ,

So what’s your issue here?

If prices are falling low enough that it’s causing financial issues for some of these companies that would tell you that there’s too much supply relative to demand so you’d obviously slow production. By your own post you’re saying it’s so the refineries can stay in business, that would mean the price is too low for it to be economically viable.

If you let things continue eventually one would go bankrupt if they don’t slow production so one way or another the supply would come down.

protist ,

Dude, did you read anything at all that OP wrote above? That China is imposing these restrictions makes economic sense, but OP is celebrating it like some socialist/communist victory over the West lmao

TrippyFocus ,

The fact that the government recognized the issue and stepped in to take control of the industry in order to prevent issues is a win compared to how things are allowed to just burn out and fail potentially causing larger issues in for the economy in other countries.

Most countries wouldnt be able to say no to capital and it would meant the resources would continue to cheaply get extracted at the expense of the long term health of the counties industry.

protist , (edited )

The US, which is what I assume you’re talking about, has had supply controls on a ton of commodities, so I’m not sure what you’re comparing to here. Just one example among many, the Texas Railroad Commission.

Tak ,
@Tak@lemmy.ml avatar

If only it cranked up the supply for housing

PanArab ,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

What’s wrong with OPEC supply controls? No one owes you cheap oil.

protist ,

I didn’t give any opinion on OPEC being good or bad, but it’s certainly not some socialist utopia like OP is trying to pretend this is

yogthos ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

Another common China win.

atro_city ,

Didn't a Scandinavian country recently find rare earth deposits that were twice or triple as big as China's?

meldrik ,
atro_city ,

Precisely this. Thank you!

carl_marks_1312 ,
@carl_marks_1312@lemmy.ml avatar

I believe the US has significant deposits as well. But its one thing having deposits and another to have the manufacturing capacity to refine it. Because the cost of labour is cheaper in china the “west” decided to import it from there. It also has the added benefit for the west of exporting environmental concern and to have a boggey man to point to when it comes to implementing green energy. ("Look we can implent what we can, but as long China is being a polluter, it doesn’t matter anyway)

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

China takes a dub.

Zuzak ,
Parsani ,
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happybadger ,
@happybadger@hexbear.net avatar
romp_2_door ,

based china

cyborganism ,

You know what?

GOOD!

Every nation should be doing that.

Crikeste ,

Seriously. Those materials are essential and necessary for growth. Allowing some capitalist douchebag to hoard it all and make profits from it is a national security threat.

Let the country build and the country will grow.

sunzu ,

And then on top we provide these with parasites with transfers from federal budget to develop their mines and fields... and they get to price gouge on the back end.

NO money for anything else tho

protist ,

China announced they’re cutting production to prop up rare earth mineral prices, a lot of people here seem to think something very different is happening…

Crikeste , (edited )

Care to elaborate? Cutting production of what?

I see now, I must have missed the word ‘prices’ on my first read. Fine by me though. As if the west hasn’t tried to economically destroy China for decades. Good for them. Get the bag, kings.

protist ,

Cutting the mining and refining of rare earth oxides, aka the production of rare earth metals. That’s what this conversation is about…

Xinhua reports (Google translation) that the state will implement a unified plan for the development of the rare earth industry. The aim is to encourage and support the research and development of new technologies, processes, products, and new materials and equipment, it says.

Regulations will be implemented to control the total amount of rare earth mining and smelting. Additionally, Beijing intends to introduce a product traceability system to “strictly manage circulation” of rare earths.

According to Nikkei Asia, underground resources in China already belong to the state, but illegal mining and smelting of rare earth elements is known to happen in the private sector, and it seems that Beijing is keen to tighten its control over them.

It’s in every article about this. The price of rare earth ore in China has dropped precipitously, almost 80% since 2022. China is going to punish unauthorized mining and smelting activity and limit production among authorized producers.

Here’s one article, use your favorite search engine to find a bunch more

cyborganism ,

I understand your point. They’re manipulating the market.

But still, every country should nationalize their natural resources.

protist ,

What they’re doing is basically implementing a cartel model, which is not good for anyone except the people who make money from the industry

cyborganism ,

Not just that, but get fair value for the material.

Not how companies got basically carte blanche to extract however much they can get and then claim no profit when taxes come around.

protist ,

Dude, the frequency with which people are accepting this screenshot of a headline as a statement of fact is frightening. Please read about what they actually announced rather than falling for what is essentially propaganda

queermunist ,

African and South American countries with lithium and cobalt deposits, pay attention!

naeap ,
@naeap@sopuli.xyz avatar

Africa? Isn’t China already all over it?

NegativeInf ,

Belts and Roads. Belts and Roads…

queermunist ,

You mean how they keep forgiving billions of dollars in loans that they’re using to build infrastructure and industrial capacity?

How terrible!

Contest that with the IMF, which bleeds countries dry until they have to auction off all their state assets and impose brutal austerity onto the people in order to repay their loans.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

Uh, China doesn’t forgive the loans, they seize the assets, that’s the whole point of debt colonialism. They can’t colonize by force and no one trusts them to host their military bases, so they use debt to build a port or whatever and then when the host country can’t keep up on exhorbitant payments they take the port and ta-da, they’ve expanded their geopolitical reach.

China is in a hyper-imperialist push right now.

OurToothbrush ,

google.com/…/china-rescue-lending-belt-and-road-s…

China has forgiven billions in loans

Also literally read Lenin’s definition of imperialism before you start saying bullshit like “taking over assets in another country is imperialism”

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, Lenin also prescribed dictatorship. His mindset was inextricable from the imperialist context he lived in, it limited his ability to imagine further. Which is part if why communism has always failed or collapsed into a fascist state capitalism (like China).

OurToothbrush ,

dictatorship

Are you referring to “dictatorship of the proletariat”? Because if you read what he wrote, it means “democracy where the former oppressor class is temporarily politically disenfranchised”

It feels like you’re playing telephone with yourself while trying to get zingers in

Which is part if why communism has always failed or collapsed into a fascist state capitalism (like China).

China has better life expectancy than the US when it was a feudal state occupied by Japan 80 years ago, what is your metric for failure lol? China is also leading the renewable push, and has made massive innovations in participatory democracy.

MODHAT calling communist nations fascist serves to enable holocaust trivialization, doing this again will net you a ban.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

“Temporarily” has a pretty consistent habit of becoming permanent. It’s either malicious or extremely naive on Lenin’s part to believe that ypu can concentrate power into the hands of a few people and then they’ll just voluntarily give it up.

Which term is Xi on now at this point again? Oh right, he made himself dictator for life…

OurToothbrush ,

Temporarily” has a pretty consistent habit of becoming permanent. It’s either malicious or extremely naive on Lenin’s part to believe that ypu can concentrate power into the hands of a few people and then they’ll just voluntarily give it up.

Temporary refers to disenfranchising the former bourgeoisie and nobility, not concentrating power? The USSR had a four tier federated legislative structure with the executive appointed by the legislature.

Which term is Xi on now at this point again? Oh right, he made himself dictator for life…

Yeah, and Castro was also dictator for life /s

I know it is unimaginable to you that leaders can stay popular and maintain a democratic mandate because you live in a bourgeois democracy but come on.

You know that term limits were invented because FDR was too popular right? They are an antidemocratic measure.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

Ah yeah, he’s so democratically popular that he had to brutalize the people of Hong Kong to bring them into the fold. You tankies are crazy dude, Xi has literal execution vans rolling around. He’s got all the hallmarks of a fascist.

GBU_28 ,

Have realistic elections been happening? If not, what legitimate gauge do we have on xi’s popularity?

OurToothbrush ,

Literally Harvard affiliated studies show immense satisfaction with the government

news.harvard.edu/…/long-term-survey-reveals-chine…

Have realistic elections been happening?

Yes, have you looked at how elections function in China?

GBU_28 ,

I am asking, I am ignorant. I’m not JAQ I’m literally asking the question.

I have not heard of a minority but competitive party in China, or heard of any leading, but not succeeding candidate that has attempted to run/win.

From my western perspective, I’ve only ever heard of loud critical voices in the Chinese political sphere “disappearing” for “education” or similar.

I acknowledge my position (western media influenced), but have never heard of a single actual competitor to xi

OurToothbrush ,

Well, socialist countries operate on concensus for major positions- the idea is that the vote is only part of the democratic process, and a large part of democracy lives in creating constructive feedback cycles between the people and the government and between different levels of government where concerns are understood and addressed.

If there was a competitor for Xi, it would not be part of the voting process, it would be in discussions amongst electeds for who is best for the role, and then a vote would happen where people approve of or disapprove of their representatives choice.

GBU_28 ,

But you can imagine how that seems, to anyone from any flavor of western democracy, including social democrats and democratic socialists…

If the party officials are having closed door discussions on who will lead, the mandate of the masses seems obscured, or absent.

If xi’s popularity took a nose dive, how would the common citizen express their opinion? On what schedule? If the “elected” officials strongly favored keeping xi, but the citizenry strongly favored large leadership change, how would that occur?

OurToothbrush ,

If the party officials are having closed door discussions on who will lead, the mandate of the masses seems obscured, or absent.

Do you mean electeds? The party, which itself has internal democracy, is a seperate institution from the legislatures, which include members of minority parties

Also why do you think it is closed door?

If xi’s popularity took a nose dive, how would the common citizen express their opinion? On what schedule? If the “elected” officials strongly favored keeping xi, but the citizenry strongly favored large leadership change, how would that occur?

If the leadership and people have a disagreement and it isn’t resolvable through dialog elected officials can be recalled.

TheShadow277 ,
@TheShadow277@slrpnk.net avatar

China is also leading the renewable push, and has made massive innovations in participatory democracy.

Anywhere I can read about this?

OurToothbrush ,
TheShadow277 ,
@TheShadow277@slrpnk.net avatar

That’s very interesting, thanks. The whole tone of the second article seems so much different than how we talk about our “democracy” in Canada, where I am from. We talk about it here as a form of prestige (“Canada is so good, we’re democratic, unlike those Asian countries”), where that article made it sound like they were celebrating how it helps the people. At least that’s my vibe.

Now that I think of it, I have no idea how their governance works. We’re just sorta guided to think the communist party gets together for dinner and decides what everyone has to make for lunch on Thursdays lol. Probably interesting to look into!

OurToothbrush ,

Yeah no problem, and I appreciate your perspective on it as a Canadian. 😄

krolden ,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

Amp links are bad mmk

davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

Uh, China doesn’t forgive the loans, they seize the assets, that’s the whole point of debt colonialism.

Show me these supposed seizures; you’re talking out your ass. Imperial core corporate media are projecting their own states’ neocolonialism onto China, and you’re accepting their propaganda like a good Council on Foreign Relations consumer.

TrippyFocus , (edited )
davel ,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

I still wonder how Brautigam & Rithmire managed to slip that one into the neoliberal Atlantic; it seems they’ve never been invited back.

JohnDClay ,

Forgiveness in exchange for favors. All sides play the leverage game.

OurToothbrush , (edited )

On one hand yes, on the other hand China is a democracy with a dominant marxist leninist party which understands that imperialism is an unstable system and that mutual development is better for the long term stability and prosperity of China because MLs literally wrote the book on understanding imperialism

They’ve explicitly said “the era of zero sum diplomacy is over”

SaltySalamander ,

China is a democracy

LOL

wildbus8979 ,

Cries in Lumumba.

doubtingtammy ,

He would’ve turned 99 yesterday

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