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PanArab ,
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Macron is the biggest attack on human sanity

LoveSausage ,

**** macron

Afterthought_C ,

Calling Hamas/ Palestinians antisemitic is like accusing wwii-era Korean/ Chinese/ Malaysian resistance groups etc. of being ‘Japanophobic’ against their occupiers, or trans people of being ‘cisphobic’ against transphobes.

SmoothIsFast ,

First off, don’t lump Palestinians with Hamas. Second off Hamas IS antisemitic (in addition to being anti Zionist). It’s in their charter.

'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: ‘O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.’ (Article 7)

irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

Afterthought_C , (edited )

I checked your link and that outdated charter you quoted also links to their 2017 charter. Point 16:

“16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.”

EDIT: For those who wants to see it directly in case the above gets taken down: irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/hamas-2017.pdf

AnarchoBolshevik ,
@AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Hamas killed 1,200 people and took about 240 hostages in the attacks, including at a music festival and kibbutzim. Israel then launched a military offensive in the Gaza Strip. At least 27,585 Palestinians have been killed by the Israeli campaign, and thousands more are feared buried under rubble, the health ministry in the Hamas-run Gaza Strip has said.

Let’s see, there is uncritically reporting the neocolony’s narrative as if it were factual, and then there’s a qualification that U.N.‐supported data are from ‘the health ministry in the Hamas-run Gaza Strip’, as if that somehow delegitimizes them. Angelique Chrisafis and the dullards who approved her report must think that we’re all chumps.

Zionists are the ones who committed the massacre, not ‘Hamas’.

antidote101 ,

The Holocaust happened just 84 years ago.

e-ratic ,
@e-ratic@kbin.social avatar

"our century", meaning the 21st century - not the last 100 years.

Kalkaline ,
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    regul ,

    There absolutely is an excuse for Hamas’s actions because their two options are to fight or to live forever in an open air prison.

    Their actions are just as justified as MK’s during Apartheid.

    appel ,

    If he means the massacre being carried out with his involvement of the semitic peoples of Palestine, he’s right

    HenriVolney ,

    In other news, water is wet

    davel ,
    @davel@lemmy.ml avatar

    In other news, trying to escape from the concentration camp you’ve been locked in since birth isn’t antisemitic.

    HenriVolney ,

    Am I the only one around here who is both scandalized by the way Israel is treating Palestinians and the way Hamas committed an atrocious antisemitic terrorist attack?

    davel , (edited )
    @davel@lemmy.ml avatar

    What part of “concentration camp” do you not understand?

    What part of “the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, ” do you not understand?

    What part of “As an Occupier, Israel Has No Right to ‘Self-Defense’” do you not understand?

    bartolomeo ,
    @bartolomeo@suppo.fi avatar

    I know you’re angry about injustice and indifference to injustice, and I am too, but I think it would be effective to take a less aggressive stance against people who are obviously blackout drunk on the Kool-Aid. It’s not productive to scare them off.

    davel ,
    @davel@lemmy.ml avatar

    That may be.

    freagle ,

    Bullshit, that was a great response

    bartolomeo ,
    @bartolomeo@suppo.fi avatar

    I understand your opinion, but in this case, where Israeli propaganda is so ubiquitous and supplants the truth for millions of people, anyone wanting to learn history or current events (especially as it relates to international law) should be introduced to facts and reality instead of scared away with a bruised ego. I think that’s a better way to enable truth and justice than tribalistic circle jerks.

    freagle ,

    Stop being contrarian and write a better response then

    bartolomeo ,
    @bartolomeo@suppo.fi avatar

    Sure:

    "Actually, Israel has, through policy and violence, turned Gaza into an open air prison and the UN has legally affirmed the right of the oppressed to fight for freedom by any means necessary.

    Israel’s claim of self-defense is not valid under international law, since they are attacking an area they occupy militarily.

    If you would like to get a more accurate picture of the situation, here are some links to get started:

    ohchr.org/…/no-justification-israel-shoot-protest…

    www.mintpressnews.com/…/286099/

    www.btselem.org/administrative_detention

    jacobin.com/…/west-bank-israeli-settlers-palestin…

    socialistproject.ca/…/israel-hasbara-belly-up-glo…

    news.un.org/en/story/2022/10/1129942

    edition.cnn.com/2023/10/12/business/…/index.html

    breakingthesilence.org.il/…/ProtectiveEdge.pdf

    france24.com/…/20211110-how-israel-uses-facial-re…

    www.972mag.com/second-nakba-government-gaza/

    www.whoprofits.org

    www.theguardian.com/…/cnn-staff-pro-israel-bias

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    That way if they are interested in learning the truth then we make it easier for them. If they’re not then there’s nothing we can do but we shouldn’t scare them off, that would be a disservice to the truth, especially when the mainstream framing of this situation is pro-Israel vs. pro-Palestine when the reality is pro-Israel vs pro-human-rights-and-international-law.

    HenriVolney ,

    Not very constructive either to question people’s drinking habits for the sake of winning an argument. Whatever, you have a good one

    HenriVolney ,

    I am completely OK with Palestinian resistance to Israel’s oppression. I think Palestinian people have a right to resist Israel’s colonization. However, you will not make me believe that Hamas is an emancipation force which is fighting for freedom. It is an antisimetistic Islamist group who massacred people on October 7 in the most gruesome way, specifically because they were Jews.

    Afterthought_C , (edited )

    And this does not even get into the part where Israel itself is an antisemitic abomination:

    -Israel’s initial proposal/ conception was not out of some concern for the Jews but for antisemites to throw the Jewish population in a place where they don’t have to see them

    -Deliberately erasing the existence of Jews that lived in Palestine before their occupation in their rhetoric

    -During wwii Israel turned back Jews that had no settler inclination/ potential back to the German concentration camps

    -Committing atrocities while wearing the Star of David is designed to draw hatred to Jews as their scapegoat. It is not ‘the only safe place for Jews’, it is a perpetual warground that uses Jews as their human meatshields.

    -Their massive PR/ rainbowwashing/ anti-BDS laws is probably also designed to be easily misconstructed as the ‘Jews shadow-control the world’ antisemitic trope

    bartolomeo ,
    @bartolomeo@suppo.fi avatar

    No, unfortunately you’re not. I’d love to get your opinion on something though:

    Are slave revolts justified?

    Was the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising wrong?

    Thanks in advance.

    HenriVolney ,

    I am well versed in oppression and uprising history, thank you. I still believe that Hamas is not every Palestinian, that not every Palestinian is Hamas and that the October 7 massacre was antisemitic at its core.

    bartolomeo ,
    @bartolomeo@suppo.fi avatar

    So what would your answers be then?

    AlwaysNowNeverNotMe ,
    @AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social avatar

    "Hey 18 year olds in a 70 year old concentration camp, choose better leaders."

    livus ,
    @livus@kbin.social avatar

    I'm on the side of the civilians, I don't care what their ethnicity is.

    • The October attack happened last October, at the behest of a leadership that has not held an election since before half its subjects had even been born.
    • The genocide is ongoing, and is at the behest of a recently elected government supported by its democratic allies, so that's the one where speaking out against it might help to stop it.
    Drewfro66 ,
    @Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    All occupiers are legitimate targets

    autotldr Bot ,

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    Israel then launched a military offensive in the Gaza Strip, in which at least 27,585 Palestinians have been killed and thousands more are feared buried under rubble, the Hamas-run health ministry said.

    “It is obvious that we owe the same emotion and the same dignity to the French victims of the bombings in Gaza, and this tribute will be paid to them at another time,” the official said, without giving a date.

    The Elysée said the key message of the memorial ceremony for the victims of the 7 October attacks was the “fight against antisemitism and through it … all forms of hatred, racism and oppression of minorities”.

    Yashay Dan, a relative of one of the French-Israelis believed still to be held hostage, Ofer Kalderon, said he hoped the ceremony could “resonate all around the world, not only in France”.

    Tzipora Levy, whose son Yitzhak was killed at the Nova music festival and who had travelled to Paris, said the ceremony was symbolic amid the sadness felt by families.

    There was controversy over some of the politicians attending the Paris ceremony, with many families of French victims saying they did not want to see figures from Jean-Luc Mélenchon’s leftwing party, La France Insoumise, accusing it of failing to sufficiently denounce the 7 October attacks and term Hamas a terror group.

    The original article contains 667 words, the summary contains 220 words. Saved 67%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

    naturalgasbad OP ,

    Macron is a fucking joke

    suction ,

    For saying a fact?

    StalinIsMaiWaifu ,
    @StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    It’s not a fact, Palestinians are semitic too and the deaths in Gaza dwarf Oct 7

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