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mlg ,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

I honestly feel like Iran’s proxies have more clout than Iran.

Hamas staged a losing war for a long period which is still going. Houthis disrupted world trade by targeting ships off coast.

Meanwhile Iran got harassed by Pakistan for using some light artillery on some probably random Balochis.

It doesn’t really matter if they have the weapons when they can’t really use them all that effectively themselves.

Mango ,

On one hand, we shouldn’t be going around picking fights.

In the other hand, lol try us.

OurToothbrush ,

Who is “we” and “us” here

Mango ,

US us.

OurToothbrush ,

Ah. As a citizen of the US I dont use “we” and “us” when referring to the US state.

Mango ,

So?

OurToothbrush ,

Because it is not necessarily great to subsume your identity to an empire

Mango ,

And that’s what you’ve decided this is?

OurToothbrush ,

Why else would you speak of the US state as if you were a part of it, with “we” and “us”?

Mango ,

Because I’m in it. What do you want from me?

OurToothbrush ,

You’re in the US government?

Mango ,

Found the sovcit.

OurToothbrush ,

Lolol. No.

Not referring to when soldiers of our genocidal government is attacked as “an attack on us” is literally just not being a nationalist.

PanArab ,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

How do you feel about losing again?

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/7b6690fa-40f8-4882-800d-cb6c9105e4db.png

Pili ,

It usually doesn’t end well for you, when then try you.

RagingHungryPanda ,

https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/4cc6ab8a-4bbd-4c22-bce6-37fa213313ab.jpeg

PanArab ,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m so glad my government was wise enough to make peace with Iran despite the US’s objection.

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Well maybe they’ll attack a us ship on their own next time instead of delegating their dirty work 🤷

OurToothbrush ,

Yes, because what the US needs right now is another hot war, it is wise to encourage escalation into a direct conflict with Iran.

You do understand that will just make the US empire crumble faster, right?

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Sorry for wanting iran to make open moves instead of their usual paying other groups to do their dirty work.

I don’t want another war, nobody does. These games that are being played aren’t mine, I am just judging the players.

OurToothbrush ,

This is just idealist bs

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

Idealist? Sure.

Accurate to how I feel about the situation? Also yes.

Why are you mad about what I want?

OurToothbrush ,

Because of the bloodthirstiness. You can conceptualize that actual people would die right? At much larger scales?

EmergMemeHologram ,
  1. gives weapon to group saying they’ll attack Americans 2 group users weapons to attack Americans 3 Americans are upset about the situation 4 don’t threaten me bro!
PanArab ,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

You missed the step where the US was bankrolling a genocide

EmergMemeHologram ,

Oh, sorry

  1. All of history happens
PanArab ,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

The US FAFO. Now it is on us to deliver it another defeat. The Afghans aren’t better than us, we too can be victorious.

EmergMemeHologram ,

I do not like where this thread went…

SaltySalamander ,
@SaltySalamander@kbin.social avatar

The US never lost a battle in Afghanistan, chump. Not really our fault that they can't be bothered to even try to govern themselves.

brain_in_a_box ,

Cope harder

Montagge ,
@Montagge@kbin.earth avatar

Pretty sad to win every battle and still lose the war

naturalgasbad ,
  1. Gives weapons to group saying they’ll exterminate Palestinians
  2. Group uses weapons to attack Palestinians
  3. Palestinian allies are upset about the situation
  4. Don’t threaten me bro!
EmergMemeHologram ,

You’re forgetting over 20 years of rockets fired indiscriminately into Israel and the decades of border invasions and wars before that.

The history of that region is incredibly hostile and shitty going back before the British drew up the current border divisions. There’s no way you can look at one group and go “yeah these guys are unambiguously good”.

I feel for the Palestinian people, the current situation is beyond horrible or acceptable, but at the same time Hamas are fucking awful and you don’t kill and kidnap thousands of people and not have a fucking plan or idea that there will be retaliation to the fullest degree possible, especially with an aggressive country like Israel. It looks like their entire plan was to create a war and hope the world turns on Israel and bigger powers get pulled in.

Hamas also is a huge source of what’s happening now, they tried to use the rules of war to shield themselves, but like the boy who cried wolf, once you break the system people stop obeying the usual rules.

So here’s my opinion the topic. Hamas are scum and I don’t blame Israel for trying to eliminate them. I don’t agree with Israel’s tactics the last 20 years, and I don’t agree with Gaza’s either. I see no evidence that a non partitioned state would ever work, and as long as it’s a gray area countries that hate Israel will keep funnelling weapons to Hamas or whoever runs Gaza. Unless you can right 1000s of years of wrongs going back to the kingdom of Israel, I think the best you could ever hope for is a bitter quiet.

MarcoPOLO OP ,

The US wanted to strike Iranian targets without retaliation in order to not lose face globally. Tehran says no. If I were serving on a US military base in the Middle East, I’d be looking for ways to take leave because things are about to get hot.

ganksy ,
@ganksy@lemmy.world avatar

Why did the US want to strike Iranian targets?

freagle ,

To maintain their empire

Montagge ,
@Montagge@kbin.earth avatar

Iran is the world’s fifth most resource-rich country, with the second largest natural gas reserves and the fourth largest crude oil reserves, and with a total value of resources amounting to $27.3 trillion.

https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/iran-a-resource-rich-country-reeling-from-rampant-poverty/

IchNichtenLichten ,
@IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

“In 1951, Mohammad Mosaddegh was elected Prime Minister of Iran, voted in by the legislature and confirmed by the Shah. Mosaddegh became enormously popular after he nationalized the oil industry of Iran, which had been largely controlled by foreign interests. He worked to weaken the monarchy of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi until Mosaddegh was removed in the 1953 Iranian coup d’état—initially an Anglo-American covert operation that marked the first time the United States had participated in an overthrow of a foreign government during the Cold War”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#1951–1978:

There’s a reason Iranians call the US The Great Satan.

naturalgasbad ,

To not lose face, didn’t you read?

IndustryStandard ,

Biden is groveling for israel there is no face to save

Telodzrum ,

Because Iran is resposible for the deaths of three US service members in Jordan and the wounding of dozens more.

Hitting Iran in Iran was never a likely scenario, though. The response will almost certainly be to Iran-aligned terrorist and/or militia groups outside of Iranian borders. There’s a small chance that it will be to direct Iranian assets outside Iranian borders, but most people in the FA space don’t think that this is going to happen, either.

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