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TimewornTraveler ,

I’m not clear on what the action proposed to do. I read both the article and the bot summary. Sort of lost on the jargon I guess. Could anyone explain, perhaps with a quote?

febra ,

Russia veto: GENOCIDAL MANIACS

US veto: Go Go Israel <3

I_Fart_Glitter ,

Washington traditionally shields its ally Israel from any Security Council action.

The rest of the article is extra.

jordanlund ,
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Came here to say this… The US has been doing this for decades.

KingThrillgore ,
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Oh but its a problem when Russia does it?

doctorcrimson ,

Yeah, honestly the Superpower Vetoes have been the biggest flaw in the UN since its conception.

BWchief117 ,

Call it a flaw if you want, but it is also probably contributing to no more world wars

doctorcrimson ,

I think it’s less effective than it could be with the ability to check world powers and their allies with financial incentives among other things.

AstridWipenaugh ,

The US would veto via military action if we couldn’t veto by voting. It’s a bad system, but better than going to war (more than we already do).

doctorcrimson ,

And then they would face massive economic repercussions as the UN could vote against them for a change.

chiliedogg ,

No - they’re why the UN exists.

The purpose of the UN is to prevent global war. The Security Council veto keeps the UN from taking sides in a military conflict against the interests of a county that can maintain that level of warfare.

doctorcrimson ,

Lmao

The UN was not created to maintain peace. They were the result of a massive conflict. The ability to give financial incentives for peace by restricting powerful nations would make the UN a thousand times more effective.

NatakuNox , (edited )
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We are no strangers to genicides so no surprise here. How did Israel, founded by genicide survivers become the ones doing the genicide?! (rhetorical)

Spzi ,

Genocide, uh, finds a way.

From an evolutionary perspective, the history of life is made from genocides, with survivors riding on top. Everybody’s fighting for their niche.

Similarly, the abrahamic religions compete for their access to the Holy Land.

LaLiLuLuCo ,

There’s also a literal loophole in the regional morality system where once hostages are taken almost everyone is down to start war criming.

NatakuNox ,
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Yes to

Genocide finds a way

But absolutely not to

life is made from genocides

Humanity reached its current level because way more cooperation and kindness than war and genicide. We are just predisposed to focusing on the bad things. No one notices someone that does small acts of kindness.

Spzi ,

True. But if you zoom further out, it becomes genocides again. The rise of humans was only possible for the downfall of other species. The rise of human civilization spelled doom for many others.

Ok, genocide strictly only applies to other humans. Anyways the core idea remains: For one culture to spread, others have to give way.

No one notices someone that does small acts of kindness.

Sad, isn’t it? History books are like a gallery of psychopaths grabbing for more and more power.

Zehzin , (edited )
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does anyone know another word for complicit, I’m tired of saying it

Annoyed_Crabby ,

“We are on the ground doing the hard work of diplomacy,” U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, told the 15-member council after the vote. “We believe we need to let that diplomacy play out.”

“Yes, resolutions are important. And yes, this council must speak out. But the actions we take must be informed by the facts on the ground and support direct diplomacy efforts. That can save lives. The council needs to get this right,” she said.

US not only want to play hero, they want to play THE hero it seems.

Mrkawfee ,

We need a new UN without the US. It is only there as Israel’s PR spokesman.

DoomBot5 ,

Can we also get rid of all the Arabic countries passing countless resolutions about Israel in the UN? Pretending they don’t have a bias is like pretending SA is a bastion of women’s rights.

filister ,

It is not like Israel has been a human-rights role-model. You can open whichever human rights watch group and see what they think about it, or Wikipedia.

And the whole reason Israel exists as a country is thanks to the UN.

jalda ,

Ah, yes. those Arabic countries like checks notes Brazil

metaStatic ,

I'm shocked. Shocked. Well not that shocked.

BaroqueInMind , (edited )
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This article glosses over why the US officials representing USA vetoed and this kind of journalism sucks fat cock, so I'm going to claim my own made up reason and you all have to agree with it; USA vetoes due to the Uzbekistan official sitting nearby not share this mornings apple sauce cup at their UN daycare.

cheery_coffee ,

“We are on the ground doing the hard work of diplomacy,” U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, told the 15-member council after the vote. “We believe we need to let that diplomacy play out.”

BaroqueInMind ,
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That is a political not-reason reason in my opinion.

cheery_coffee ,

It is. It says nothing at all and can mean anything. But they did give a reason.

Franzia ,

So why are US officials really vetoing these? Is there like, a better article? You got a hunch? I’ll take anything. Well except a morning without applesauce.

BaroqueInMind ,
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My uneducated thoughts are that because Hamas are too embedded into Palestinian society and have essentially infiltrated every aspect of their government, the correct strategic maneuver is to eliminate the Palestinian government and install another puppet government as a replacement in order to destroy Hamas.

They cannot do this without carte blanche approval from the major world superpowers to invade and target civilians who are involved in Islamic terrorism. The ultimate goal, I believe is to absorb more land into Israel and deny Palestinians Gaza completely by the next decade.

Again, this is my uneducated thoughts.

Franzia ,

… You might wanna do some more reading. This take is hot like lava from a volcano.

ivanafterall ,
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Don't forget we're the good guys, everyone!

mundane ,

WW2 was a long time ago.

ivanafterall ,
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Freedom!

APassenger ,

And we didn’t fight it because the enemy were bad people. We fought it because we were attacked.

Madison420 ,

Yep, we don’t teach in us schools the isolationist position of ww2 or the war profiteering during both ww¹ and ww² while playing the isolationist.

steltek ,

Between the indiscriminate chemical weapons and the nepotistic generals ordering hundreds of thousands to their futile deaths, isolationism in WW1 was still probably the right idea.

Madison420 ,

Sure but you’d have to actually be isolationist not war profiteers.

TheDarkKnight ,

Are you saying barring Pearl Harbor the US would not have participated in WWII?

steltek ,

We were already participating in WW2 before Pearl Harbor. Lend-Lease was packing the UK chock full o’ guns, food, and oil. The “Arsenal of Democracy” speech was 1940.

TheDarkKnight ,

Exactly

deadbeef79000 ,

And waited until it was already clear that the Nazis we going to lose before entering the European theatre.

aniki ,

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    Krackalot ,

    Well, at least nothing like that happens anymore… /s

    steltek ,

    Your source talks about events prior to 1939. Poland and France had not been attacked yet. Most people didn’t know what Nazi Germany’s plans were.

    filister ,

    And dropped two nukes just to flex its powers. Mind you those nukes were dropped at the end when it was only about time for Japan to capitulate. Killing directly and indirectly hundreds of thousands of innocents.

    Don’t forget the fire bombs over Tokyo, a city of mostly paper and bamboo houses, causing an exodus for innocent people.

    TWeaK ,

    “We believe we need to let that diplomacy play out.”

    Is that what we’re calling it now?

    PugJesus ,
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    Of fucking course we did...

    isles ,

    What, like we’re going to break our streak now? To governments, human lives are spreadsheet entries at best.

    PugJesus ,
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    Man, you'd think that if it was all spreadsheet shit we'd at least have the sense to side with a horrifically oppressive country that gives us something of value in return instead of just spitting in our face and demanding more support.

    isles ,

    We’re pretty convinced they give us leverage in oil energy. We’ll do just about anything for literal power.

    PugJesus ,
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    We’re pretty convinced they give us leverage in oil energy.

    I don't think they do, though. And I'm pretty sure the US government knows that.

    Ah, domestic politics. What a fun way to ruin international politics.

    isles ,

    Not disagreeing - what’s your basis for the US not believing it and do you have an alternate explanation for the continued financial support of Israel? The only alternate theory I’ve heard is Christianity propping up Zionism to incite the 2nd coming.

    PugJesus ,
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    Domestic politics. SInce the 1980s refusing support to Israel has been an absolute non-starter due to a mixture of a stronger Israeli right-wing, the rise of evangelical influence in US politics, increased hostility towards Muslims, and improvement in Israeli PR and lobby work in the States.

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    jmcs ,

    I understand why the first proposal from Russia was rejected, but this one should have been pretty uncontroversial. This is really a WTF moment for US diplomacy.

    thoro ,

    Not if you follow history

    Faresh , (edited )

    This is really a WTF moment for US diplomacy.

    Not really, considering the US’s past actions and decisions, especially regarding Israel.

    Everythingispenguins ,

    Honestly it is completely normal for the US to veto these actions against Israel. Basically for anything to get through the security council it has to be targeting some one who is not friends of one of the 5 permanent members; The USA, The UK, France, China, and Russia. So that happens almost never. By the way the permanent members were all the counties that had atomic bombs at the time of formation. Not that is relevant to this discussion but a great little mind fuck factoid.

    BartsBigBugBag ,

    Unfortunately not. If you’ve been paying attention, this aligns pretty well with their behavior in the past.

    ook_the_librarian ,
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    Saying it’s status quo doesn’t contradict how WTF it is.

    autotldr Bot ,

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    The vote on the Brazilian-drafted text was twice delayed in the past couple of days as the United States tries to broker aid access to Gaza.

    Ambassador Zhang Jun accused the United States of leading council members to believe that the resolution could be adopted after it did not comment or express opposition during negotiations.

    Thomas-Greenfield said the United States was disappointed the draft resolution made no mention of Israel’s rights of self defense and she blamed Hamas for the Gaza humanitarian crisis.

    The draft resolution also urged Israel - without naming it - to rescind its order for civilians and U.N. staff in Gaza to move to the south of the Palestinian enclave and condemns “the terrorist attacks by Hamas.”

    It has vowed to annihilate Hamas after the Islamist militant group killed 1,400 people and seized hostages in an Oct. 7 attack on Israel.

    The draft U.N. resolution condemned all violence and hostilities against civilians and all acts of terrorism and called for the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages.

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